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Just seen the photos. Ill-advised is the phrase that springs to mind. It won't do him any favours, but frankly I doubt Rashford really gives a shit.

He isn't playing well, hasn't done so for a long time, and really doesn't seem to enjoy being a footballer that much anymore. He's extremely wealthy and probably already thinking about what his life will be like after football, hence these attempts to put himself out there and be noticed.
 
moses said:
Pretty much. It's a pretty consistent and well-discussed and researched phenomenon. Just Google 'racism black athletes' for context.

Do you really think a white player is called gangsta as quickly and freely in the same circumstances? The circumstances are attending an NBA game, having security, and dressing in a way old farts don't approve of. Actions that you see as some sort of wholesale character deficiency for some reason.
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Total lack of awareness from his part. Same as Luke Shaw...

Not the type of mentality we need to get out of the hole we find ourselves. Those two need to leave asap so we can start the proper rebuild.
 
Bilbo said:
Just seen the photos. Ill-advised is the phrase that springs to mind. It won't do him any favours, but frankly I doubt Rashford really gives a shit.

He isn't playing well, hasn't done so for a long time, and really doesn't seem to enjoy being a footballer that much anymore. He's extremely wealthy and probably already thinking about what his life will be like after football, hence these attempts to put himself out there and be noticed.
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I doubt he is doing anything more than watching a game while trying to look fly for his peers.... what would there be to achieve? he's a footballer who's stock is really low now.... People reading way too much into this.
 
Martial'sEmergingSmile said:
Even when he's out in Manchester he rolls like 20 deep with a stack of hangers-on and bodyguards.

While he was over there he got fitted for a new platinum and diamond Johnny Dang grill...so that'll be nice. Maybe he'll debut it against Ipswich.

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What the actual feck! His pr team are so wrong it's unbelievable.
 
moses said:
Pretty much. It's a pretty consistent and well-discussed and researched phenomenon. Just Google 'racism black athletes' for context.

Do you really think a white player is called gangsta as quickly and freely in the same circumstances? The circumstances are attending an NBA game, having security, and dressing in a way old farts don't approve of. Actions that you see as some sort of wholesale character deficiency for some reason.
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I mean I don't think anybody needs to Google it. We know it exists. But that doesn't mean it's always happening.

Of course a white player would be characterised the same. He'd probably get mocked even more. What look do you think Rashford is aiming for? Who's he trying to resemble? A children's author?

I was with my niece and nephew last night, showed them the clip. Younger than Rashford and they thought he looked a plonker. Because he did.

But as I keep saying, it's not about his coat. It's about attitude. His attitude off pitch seems to resemble his on pitch attitude. Some think that's a logical, some think it's entirely coincidental.
 
ifightdragons said:
Rashford in this video wears what can only be described as a clown outfit, yet acts like he doesn't want to be recognized by the media.

It's a blatant publicity stunt to show his social media followers how cool and trendy he is.

Meanwhile, he is an underperforming, overpaid star that can't even be arsed to work his socks off.

If you're comparing that to an alcoholic George Best that would work his socks off and still be the best player in the world even when half-drunk, it's a losing battle.

Best was a legendarily great footballer. Rashford is a media package first, footballer second.

If anyone thinks Rashford is an example of a mentally strong player, the delusion is off the charts.
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Couldn't agree more. Shouldn't be coming out with shit like this and the teeth one if you're as bad as he is. And no doubt he'll have a little cry if someone says he looks like a clown.
 
Marwood said:
I mean I don't think anybody needs to Google it. We know it exists. But that doesn't mean it's always happening.

Of course a white player would be characterised the same. He'd probably get mocked even more. What look do you think Rashford is aiming for? Who's he trying to resemble? A children's author?

I was with my niece and nephew last night, showed them the clip. Younger than Rashford and they thought he looked a plonker. Because he did.

But as I keep saying, it's not about his coat. It's about attitude. His attitude off pitch seems to resemble his on pitch attitude. Some think that's a logical, some think it's entirely coincidental.
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I'd say you'd struggle to find many examples to back you up on your assertion that it would be used for white players. Like I said earlier, the Stephen Ireland case was him being called a pikey, I'd say it was unlikely we'd call Marcus a pikey if he had a pink LandRover .

So what can you tell about his attitude from that clip that translates to him not being a top footballer? Looking like a plonker is personal taste and no more.
 
People are being disingenuous if they think off the field activities are unrelated to on field performances. We have literally have hundreds of examples where money, fame and ego impact footballers for worse. Even at our own club we recently had so many examples.

Also, it’s not just clothes and jewellery though like some are pretending. You combine this ostentatious behaviour with how he has behaved these last few years off the field and you can see why people are pissed off/worried about his conduct. The constant PR puff, going to Belfast during mid season for partying and coming late, the speeding incident, the parking incidents etc. Add all of this and tell me it doesn’t impact your on field performances one bit. We all know how ultimate professional you have to be to perform at an elite level.
 
kaku06 said:
People are being disingenuous if they think off the field activities are unrelated to on field performances. We have literally have hundreds of examples where money, fame and ego impact footballers for worse. Even at our own club we recently had so many examples.

Also, it’s not just clothes and jewellery though like some are pretending. You combine this ostentatious behaviour with how he has behaved these last few years off the field and you can see why people are pissed off/worried about his conduct. The constant PR puff, going to Belfast during mid season for partying and coming late, the speeding incident, the parking incidents etc. Add all of this and tell me it doesn’t impact your on field performances one bit. We all know how ultimate professional you have to be to perform at an elite level.
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I mean he scored at Wolves after the Belfast thing and was in the form of his life when he had the car crash/other trips away on Intl breaks. I don't see a correlation.
 
kaku06 said:
People are being disingenuous if they think off the field activities are unrelated to on field performances. We have literally have hundreds of examples where money, fame and ego impact footballers for worse. Even at our own club we recently had so many examples.

Also, it’s not just clothes and jewellery though like some are pretending. You combine this ostentatious behaviour with how he has behaved these last few years off the field and you can see why people are pissed off/worried about his conduct. The constant PR puff, going to Belfast during mid season for partying and coming late, the speeding incident, the parking incidents etc. Add all of this and tell me it doesn’t impact your on field performances one bit. We all know how ultimate professional you have to be to perform at an elite level.
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There are enough examples of successful players confessing raucous behavior in their playing days to show that it's not necessarily related. Marcus doesn't even behave that badly. The clip in this question that started this is really quite banal.
 
Couldn’t care less about what he chooses to wear. And the relationship between off-field stuff and on-field performance is not an easily provable thing so I won’t wade into that.

I think what upsets most people and doesn’t sit well me to be honest is that for years as a club, we’ve helped some players reach a level of wealth and fame that is not justified by their performances and what they’ve given the fans and the club.

Rashford for at least a year now has played at a level that is probably, at best, enough to start for a team that is lower mid table. But looking at the way he presents, you’d think he’s one of the top footballers in the world.

Reality will bite when he eventually has to move to another club and will see, like Lingard did for example, which ones will want him.
 
moses said:
I'd say you'd struggle to find many examples to back you up on your assertion that it would be used for white players. Like I said earlier, the Stephen Ireland case was him being called a pikey, I'd say it was unlikely we'd call Marcus a pikey if he had a pink LandRover .

So what can you tell about his attitude from that clip that translates to him not being a top footballer? Looking like a plonker is personal taste and no more.
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I think you're jumping to conclusions with the racist talk. I don't know what else to think when you see fur coat + grills besides someone trying to look gangsta. Both things notoriously purchased by gangsters to flaunt wealth and popularized by people trying to be gangsta.

I just think it's ironic that a person that spoke up about children going hungry spends more on a piece of jewelry that prevents him from eating than parents of hungry children would make in a year.
 
When will people understand that the issue with Rashford is not just his mentality but his lack of talent as well?

He is not that talented. Would it help if he was working harder? Sure. But even then he would not be considered a top top player. His talent is nowhere near Salah, Vinicious Jr or even Greenwood.

Instead we are focusing of how he dresses (which is irrelevant) . For whatever reason, some people still believe that If he starts working harder, he will a world class player etc. Even if he was working 8 days per week, he would still not be able to reach Vini.
 
moses said:
I'd say you'd struggle to find many examples to back you up on your assertion that it would be used for white players. Like I said earlier, the Stephen Ireland case was him being called a pikey, I'd say it was unlikely we'd call Marcus a pikey if he had a pink LandRover .

So what can you tell about his attitude from that clip that translates to him not being a top footballer? Looking like a plonker is personal taste and no more.
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From that clip(ignoring the other reported incidents and general body language) I'd say that's a guy who has a very overinflated opinion of himself. Is no longer grounded. Has lost perspective on where he's at.

And by huge coincidence that's exactly how he plays.

You can get away with certain behaviours to an extent. You drink a bit too much, you have a smoke now and again. That's different, that's just a biological recovery needed.

Bit if you're attitude is gone, if your head isn't right, difficult to turn it around.

But absolutely nothing to do with him being black. I'd just stay away from that. Very unnecessary.
 
Snow said:
I think you're jumping to conclusions with the racist talk. I don't know what else to think when you see fur coat + grills besides someone trying to look gangsta. Both things notoriously purchased by gangsters to flaunt wealth and popularized by people trying to be gangsta.

I just think it's ironic that a person that spoke up about children going hungry spends more on a piece of jewelry that prevents him from eating than parents of hungry children would make in a year.
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Marcus has earned his money by being a pro athlete. How he spends it doesn't make his voice on the child poverty he has seen any less valid or ironic.
 
Marwood said:
From that clip(ignoring the other reported incidents and general body language) I'd say that's a guy who has a very overinflated opinion of himself. Is no longer grounded. Has lost perspective on where he's at.
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From the clothes and how he walked to his limo? That's quite something.

Personally I could tell he was at a venue, has a load of money, and was wearing garish clothes. Anything more would require a lot more data in my opinion.
 
Rashford isn’t trying to resemble anything - he’s dressed the way people his age and in his financial situation dress. Fashion houses are increasingly influenced by streetwear adjacent brands like Corteiz and Maniere De Voir etc.

A quick look at this page and you’ll see similar flamboyant fits from other players:

https://www.instagram.com/footballerfits?igsh=OXBxYzZwbTZwZm5v

Shades, jewells and a black shirt = “gangsta” is some really flabby, out of touch stuff.
 
Is there an option that what Rashford does with his personal time and fashion choices definitely isn’t our concern and ultimately doesn’t matter, but also that it’s ok to say he looks like a prat in certain things and when he isn’t performing that kind of very obviously ostentatious stuff is clearly going to rankle fans, whether they’re entitled to it or not?
 
Mockney said:
Is there an option that what Rashford does with his personal time and fashion choices definitely isn’t our concern and ultimately doesn’t matter, but also that it’s ok to say he looks like a prat in certain things and when he isn’t performing that kind of attention seeking stuff is clearly going to rankle fans, whether they’re entitled to it or not?
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I think that's the default. He is playing really poorly, and he does look like a tit. The gymnastics to connect the two are fun though.
 
Solius said:
I do not give a feck about this but obviously everything has to be debated and picked apart at a granular level these days.

He does this kind of thing all the time, whether on form or out of form. It's just what he does. He's not going to change it. It is not worth your energy.
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This is true.
 
TsuWave said:
Rashford isn’t trying to resemble anything - he’s dressed the way people his age and in his financial situation dress. Fashion houses are increasingly influenced by streetwear adjacent brands like Corteiz and Maniere De Voir etc.

A quick look at this page and you’ll see similar flamboyant fits from other players:

https://www.instagram.com/footballerfits?igsh=OXBxYzZwbTZwZm5v

Shades, jewells and a black shirt = “gangsta” is some really flabby, out of touch stuff.
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And this is true.
 
moses said:
I think that's the default. He is playing really poorly, and he does look like a tit. The gymnastics to connect the two are fun though.
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It’s the Memphis Depay and his big silly hat thing isn’t it? If he had been any good for us he might have got away with it, but as it is it’s become an apocryphal tale about how unprofessional he was. Ultimately it was still just a hat, but everyone kinda falls somewhere on “The Memphis Depay form to big silly hat” spectrum.
 
TsuWave said:
Rashford isn’t trying to resemble anything - he’s dressed the way people his age and in his financial situation dress. Fashion houses are increasingly influenced by streetwear adjacent brands like Corteiz and Maniere De Voir etc.

A quick look at this page and you’ll see similar flamboyant fits from other players:

https://www.instagram.com/footballerfits?igsh=OXBxYzZwbTZwZm5v

Shades, jewells and a black shirt = “gangsta” is some really flabby, out of touch stuff.
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Just looked at the images of him again. They are so tame it's actually raising eyebrows now..... wtf

The grills is a different issue but I'm not gonna lose sleep over it....
 
Mockney said:
It’s the Memphis Depay and his big silly hat thing isn’t it? If he had been any good for us he might have got away with it, but as it is it’s become an apocryphal tale about how unprofessional he was. Ultimately it was still just a hat, but everyone kinda falls somewhere on the “Memphis Depay’s big silly hat” spectrum
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Exactly. I remember the Sun tried to make a big thing about Ronaldo's 5m quid earrings but nobody gave a toss.
 
afrocentricity said:
Yeah I re-read my post and it sounds abrasive but you literally came in on the race angle so what is it? You're giving your side, or you're going down the race angle?
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There was alot of posts earlier in the thread that were insinuating that people being critical of Rashford had racial undertones, and I was simply saying that that's not true at all, that most of us are simply being critical of him because his general attitude has been shit for quite a while now and we're sick of it.

I just don't like people jumping straight to the racial angle as soon as someone is critical of a black player, I remember the same thing happening years ago in the formula one thread with Lewis Hamilton, you couldn't say one bad word about him without a couple of posters at the time saying that it was racial.

What I was saying earlier was that while there is unfortunately posters on here who will have a racial angle when it comes to criticising Rashford, most of us don't and never would.

Anyway apologies for any confusion, I probably didn't get my point across properly because it was the middle of night when I was posting and was half asleep.
 
These two posts neatly sum up things:
Solius said:
I do not give a feck about this but obviously everything has to be debated and picked apart at a granular level these days.

He does this kind of thing all the time, whether on form or out of form. It's just what he does. He's not going to change it. It is not worth your energy.
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TsuWave said:
Rashford isn’t trying to resemble anything - he’s dressed the way people his age and in his financial situation dress. Fashion houses are increasingly influenced by streetwear adjacent brands like Corteiz and Maniere De Voir etc.

A quick look at this page and you’ll see similar flamboyant fits from other players:

https://www.instagram.com/footballerfits?igsh=OXBxYzZwbTZwZm5v

Shades, jewells and a black shirt = “gangsta” is some really flabby, out of touch stuff.
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But also if you don't agree, the discussion hasn't moved an inch for many pages now and there haven't been any new ideas lately. So we're closing this and people can return to his regular performancy thread to discuss Rashford.
 
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