Yep, this and the reasons why are the problematic elements of the discussion for me.
Marcus Rashford and his critics | Now includes fashion and hobby critics
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Yep, this and the reasons why are the problematic elements of the discussion for me.
It obviously doesn't take energy, you're trying to deflect from the (reasonable imho) argument that it reflects his persona on the pitch.
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No..... watch Flex's reaction and video to racist abuse a week or so ago. Hopefully that helps....Do you not find it odd that certain posters' first reaction is to call something racist?
Was/is it racist of black posters to criticise Maguire/Shaw?
I wonder is he actually sound in real life? His media persona and football performances are absolutely all over the shop! It’s very grating someone acting like a rock star and they don’t give a shit to putting our pieces saying he’s hurt over xyz. It’s actually all a bit confusing!
It wasn’t the smartest decision by Rashford. Dressing like that reminds everyone how much money you’re on when the reality is the only reason you were able to head off to the US to watch a basketball game was because even after 8 players pulled out of the England squad, 3 of which were in a position Rashford could play in, he still couldn’t make the squad and yet he’s the highest paid player at Manchester United.
This was where my mind went to after seeing the noise in here, then what it was all about.
He’s either making bad decisions, or being advised badly. That’s indirectly having a bad impact on his football.
It’s all (both Rashford and the online reactions) and the pretty sad to see
I think it's something that is always a risk when young players get fame, fortune and adulation and don't have the right people around them. Ferguson would always try and keep young players grounded for the reason. Nobody has really done that with Rashford. What's happened was almost inevitable.
Sometimes I struggle to understand why people are reluctant to admit this is what has happened, as if there must be another answer because he's an academy player and he's somehow different to all the other young footballers who let it go to their heads and let their careers spiral down the toilet.
Lost his place with the national team, pressure for his spot at club level, disciplinary issues, lashing out at the media, in the papers more for off field activities than on. We're deluding ourselves if we're pretending not to see the big red flag waving here. These aren't just an unconnected series of events made up by people with an agenda.
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People wouldn’t give a crap what he wore if he was doing the business on the pitch. Because he isn’t there are enough numpties willing to abuse/criticise him for the wrong things
Criticize his performance, we don’t need to mention anything else about how he dresses
Criticize his performance, we don’t need to mention anything else about how he dresses
That level of scrutiny is insane. Every one of us is all over the shop, doing counterintuitive and contradictory things; it's just not analysed or used to sell stories. The main thing about Marcus and his off field activity, the good far outweighs the bad. It's all content and can be ignored, used, framed and even manipulated in various narratives. On a similar note, I'm so glad my teens and twenties weren't documented by smartphones and social media.
Fergie wouldn’t have signed Pogba (pt2) and he wouldn’t have indulged Lingard and Rashford for long either if they weren’t doing what he was asking of them on the pitch. I can’t remember another winger at this club repeatedly walking around looking like he doesn’t like playing football and he doesn’t give a shit about the fans. It’s mad!
I think this is all very fair. He drives me mad as a sportsperson but as I said I don’t really care what he gets up to. I can laugh at any footballer or celebrity and then move on. I just wish he looked like he was happy to be playing football. Everything seems a drag with him on the pitch, even when he scores
Imagine, you've got a new manager, you have been absolutely stinking the club up for quite some time, you've got the opportunity to get a head start with the new boss.. but no, he's in NYC living it up, what a moron.
Yeah agree, the denial is strange.
As is this pretence of how an individual carries himself outside of work is linked to how he performs in his job. Some have convinced themselves the two can't be linked.
Quite literally, our fanbase in something else I tell youDid that funny-looking coat/jacket really spark 10 pages of discussion?
There have been countless posts talking about how he should focus on his performances rather than on how he dresses as if they were somehow two incompatible things.
How is it pretence? You are mixing up correlation and causation. How do clothes choice have an effect on a footballer?
The idea that if you are keeping your head down to avoid criticism has a logic to it but the idea that your choice of social activity, unless it's detrimental like drug use is an indication of anything is madness.
What head start? The manager legally couldn't start real work until today ffs. Only players at Carrington this past week were the ones returning from injury and the kids.
Everybody else either went on international duty or had a planned week off before the busy holiday fixture list as it's the last international break prior.
What exactly should he have done with his time? Turn up at Amorim's hotel for a 5 a side?
I worry for the blood pressure/stress levels of some of you in real life in here when I see all the hysterics and forced outrage over such pointless things.
Agreed.
It's the uphill struggle to get the obvious recognised for me. For the Old Trafford crowd to lose their patience with him, they must feel something isn't right, that his head isn't in the right space, that he isn't giving 100% for the cause. That crowd, by and large, will stick with player through bad times.
Online? You're essentially gaslit into thinking there's not anything wrong with how he plays, how he applies himself or how he handles himself on or off the pitch and it's your fault for noticing and proof you have a hatred against him. It's a strange, alternative universe.
Just as an aside. Rashford was in the form of his life when he went to New York during an international break in March 2023. This was basically all anyone on here said about it (not saying these same people are now criticising him, just for an idea of the overarching view on the caf at the time)
The only difference this time is he's not been playing as well. There hasn't been any training he's missed. He's back for that. Casemiro did the same. These players are used to combating jet-lag and timezones.
He likes to do this in his down-time. If you think his clothes are stupid, or his demeanour fine but it in all likelihood has zero correlation with his on pitch performance.
Not gonna lie I assumed they'd be a meltdown when he's spotted in America while he's missing England games through injury
You lot aren't as bad as I thought
The only difference this time is he's not been playing as well. There hasn't been any training he's missed. He's back for that. Casemiro did the same. These players are used to combating jet-lag and timezones.
He likes to do this in his down-time. If you think his clothes are stupid, or his demeanour fine but it in all likelihood has zero correlation with his on pitch performance.
Like I said Moses, I think you could be told a 1000 times it's not just specifically the clothes he wears but you're now dug in on that point. There's no shaking you off that.
His off pitch persona to me is juvenile and ego driven. It's therefore completely logical that's how he now plays his football. Denying there's a link between the two is what's madness. This is how humans work. You are what you are, very few can switch that off or on when it comes to work time.
You're more dug in than me about what it is you think I think.
Firstly I don't think you have enough data to arrive at ego-driven and juvenile. Secondly, the idea that ego-driven individuals can't be great footballers or employees is nonsense.
I know lots of people who are utter pissheads in their free time and perfectly professional. The idea that humans can't and don't compartmentalise is just not true.
Just not true. He's been awful for ages, everyone can see that and when he is picked the whole forum collectively sighs.
The notion that the Old Trafford crowd are the proper barometer for how to judge things is also funny seeing as we would've still been stuck with Jose, Ole and Ten Hag if we went off Old Trafford sentiment.
Those 'proper fan/top red' insinuations are always so lazy and uninspired as if there can't possibly be diversity of opinion within a fanbase of hundred millions around the world
I was responding to a poster discussing himself feeling gaslit online by online support for Marcus Rashford.
Sorry you didn't like my joke - Obviously I'm not drawing a real parallel between his actions and those of a "gangsta" in real life - just purely pointing out that he is playing "dress-up" in a childish way and bringing negative attention on himself with the entourage / Bouncers and outlandish dressing for effect.
Plenty of real stars attended the same event and went "undercover" probably because they just wanted to enjoy the event with family and friends. Dressing in an outlandish fashion...leaving in that fashion surrounded by "bodyguards" he was clearly trying to play the role of a "Playa" like one of Jesse Pinkman's friends.
He was either doing this to "develop his brand" in the United states or for revenue generation. Neither are reflecting well on his club and that particularly doesn't sit right with me when his current effort level on the pitch is minimal.
Play like a world-beater and you have earned the right to be a Peacock strutting your stuff!
I remember hearing before that he was “weird” don’t know in what way. But maybe just a bit confused about his personality/identity as a successful and wealthy footballer. Could also be that his management don’t know how to brand him.
I don’t really care what people wear. But the grail teeth rapper look isn’t really him and just makes him look like a bit of a try hard. Clothes are clothes, but some styles do have to match the personality.
The idea that if we stopped being "negative, moany cnuts" and all just unabashedly praised/supported everything at the club be it manager, players, coaches. Everything would be magically better off is utterly bizarre. Pages and pages of hysteria over something which is rather innocuous is puzzling too, but I just don't understand certain posters just trying to shut down any discussion and label all of us in one big pot whereby you are racist/xenophobic/Goldbrige fan/moany/negative cnut. What is the purpose of all of this?
I would argue our fanbase is overly supportive and overly protective of everything at the club, which extends to the players. A selective contingent might be appreciative of this unwavered support and work extra hard, but vast majority of them use it as a shield to coast. It is all evident by how they perform on the pitch and the desire they display, and where the trajectory of their career has gone once they are booted out of the club. Reason why we find ourselves in this position today and have to deal with Rashford circus is because we created this problem for ourselves, club overindulged him, but so did our fans. If there were any standards left from our most successful period, then likes of Rashford would have been long gone. Sticking our heads in the sand and just singing praises for underperforming players is a quickfire way to keep them at the club long past their expiry date, that too on hefty new contracts. No wonder standards have been down the toilet at this club. But, his ardent fanboys aren't ready for this conversation as it will likely break their little minds.
I would argue our fanbase is overly supportive and overly protective of everything at the club, which extends to the players. A selective contingent might be appreciative of this unwavered support and work extra hard, but vast majority of them use it as a shield to coast. It is all evident by how they perform on the pitch and the desire they display, and where the trajectory of their career has gone once they are booted out of the club. Reason why we find ourselves in this position today and have to deal with Rashford circus is because we created this problem for ourselves, club overindulged him, but so did our fans. If there were any standards left from our most successful period, then likes of Rashford would have been long gone. Sticking our heads in the sand and just singing praises for underperforming players is a quickfire way to keep them at the club long past their expiry date, that too on hefty new contracts. No wonder standards have been down the toilet at this club. But, his ardent fanboys aren't ready for this conversation as it will likely break their little minds.
The state of you... your post shows the complete lack or awareness.
Firstly, the whole squad was given a week off, the players who were recovering were the ones at Carrington.
Secondly, the new manager starts today so there was no opportunity to get a head start
Thirdly, I dont get the insults towards the man himself..
So instead of moaning get your facts checked.
I don’t care if he wants to dress like a tit, I don’t care if he wants to spend his time off taking a trip (assuming he is still taking reasonable care of himself) and watching some sport. I do care that he has been in shit form for two years and plays like he is doing everyone a massive favour just for turning up, add that attitude to the minders etc in a place where maybe 1 in 50000 people would recognise him it speaks to an ego that is vastly out of whack with the performances he turns in week in week out, and THAT is something to be concerned about.
Stop with the hyperbole. Nobody is defending his performances. And nobody has accused anyone criticising his off the pitch activities of being a racist. There is an element of lazy tropes in the narrative though, so they are best avoided.
To me it looks like event security walking a celebrity guest to the exit. The nearside guy has a security guard outfit on, he's not a discreet bodyguard type. I don't actually see an 'entourage'.
The guy is a multimillionaire figure with a public profile, so having security is pretty standard, particularly at a venue that is awash with it.
That's the way I see it. The only thing I could pass comment on in that video, specific to him is the hideous coat but I am fully sure my teen kids would prefer it a lot of my wardrobe. It's just down to personal taste. The extrapolations are quite something.
I don't think that actually happned? Who are you talking about? You need to be more specific.
You're absolutely sure that's happening and it couldn't possibly be you seeing something that isn't there?
Pretty much. It's a pretty consistent and well-discussed and researched phenomenon. Just Google 'racism black athletes' for context.
Do you really think a white player is called gangsta as quickly and freely in the same circumstances? The circumstances are attending an NBA game, having security, and dressing in a way old farts don't approve of. Actions that you see as some sort of wholesale character deficiency for some reason.
Could be worse, he could've been a Japanese wrestling fan or something Australian fan and travel to Japan or Australia every time he has a few days off. NYC ain't a thing.
What the hell does this even mean?
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