[afrocentricity]

I think people underestimate how much he’s regressed physically from a few years ago. He couldn’t even dream of moving at this speed anymore. I do think that back injury took from him. I don’t think he has the all round game to compensate unfortunately.

What's with the caption? Are you taking the piss?

 

[OL29]

What's with the caption? Are you taking the piss?

Huh? What are you talking about? That’s not my twitter, I just saw the clip and posted it.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Bro you've been here long enough to see flavour of the season players come and go.... But ok

Yeah, that’s fair. But I’ve also seen “flavour of the month” players kick on to become legit top class footballers. Even someone below the very top tier like Ollie Watkins could have done a better job for us overall, these last few seasons, than the player this thread is about.

And I remember very well when Harry Kane was just starting to score regularly the way a lot of people said he would never amount to much (me included!)

I think Delap is much more likely to be another Watkins than Kane but he has something about him. In every Ipswich match I’ve watched this season he’s consistently performed at a level that none of the three main strikers at Manchester United have produced this season (or for basically the whole of last season)

 

[afrocentricity]

Huh? What are you talking about? That’s not my twitter, I just saw the clip and posted it.

feck off with that meme shit. And then people get indignant when someone mentions race....

Yeah, that’s fair. But I’ve also seen “flavour of the month” players kick on to become legit top class footballers. Even someone below the very top tier like Ollie Watkins could have done a better job for us overall, these last few seasons, than the player this thread is about.

And I remember very well when Harry Kane was just starting to score regularly the way a lot of people said he would never amount to much (me included!)

I think Delap is much more likely to be another Watkins than Kane but he has something about him. In every Ipswich match I’ve watched this season he’s consistently performed at a level that none of the three main at Manchester United have produced this season (or for basically the whole of last season)

I hear ya and I think Watkins is quality!

Just seen it too many times...

 

[OL29]

feck off with that meme shit. And then people get indignant when someone mentions race....

You’re actually unhinged, I already told you I didn’t even look at the caption, I was strictly focused on the clip. You probably don’t even realise I’m black myself, I don’t know why you’ve gone off on one about race. Check my post history if you want to see my views on racism fool.

 

[afrocentricity]

You’re actually unhinged, I already told you I didn’t even look at the caption, I was strictly focused on the clip. You probably don’t even realise I’m black myself, I don’t know why you’ve gone off on one about race. Check my post history if you want to see my views on racism fool.

All fair enough bro but how does that caption relate to Rashford? Other than his ethnicity?

It's used by racist trolls

Man's getting all defensive after getting questioned for posting that crap, as if a black person has never made a boo boo before....

 

[OL29]

All fair enough bro but how does that caption relate to Rashford? Other than his ethnicity?

It's used by racist trolls

Man's getting all defensive after getting questioned for posting that crap, as if a black person has never made a boo boo before....

Why wouldn’t I be defensive when someone tries to throw me under the bus and insinuate I’m something I’m not for posting a clip from twitter. I’ve BEEN vocal about racism. Had fights over it, lost friends over it I don’t take it lightly at all. You’re a joke for even mixing me up in something like that.

 

[afrocentricity]

Why wouldn’t I be defensive when someone tries to throw me under the bus and insinuate I’m something I’m not for posting a clip from twitter. I’ve BEEN vocal about racism. Had fights over it, lost friends over it I don’t take it lightly at all. You’re a joke for even mixing me up in something like that.

I told you to feck off with a meme post that you posted. For that I'm unhinged and a joke.... Ok

What is this anyway? Reddit or Redcafe? Thought it was the latter. Listen just take the L and move on.... I would.... And excuse me for not wanting that kind of shit to start creeping into redcafe. It's a relatively nice place to be if you get past the negativity....

 

[OL29]

I told you to feck off with a meme post that you posted. For that I'm unhinged and a joke.... Ok

What is this anyway? Reddit or Redcafe? Thought it was the latter. Listen just take the L and move on.... I would.... And excuse me for not wanting that kind of shit to start creeping into redcafe. It's a relatively nice place to be if you get past the negativity....

I swear you’re like a bungalow. Got nothing going on upstairs. I can’t be bothered with this conversation anymore.

 

[Danny]

Switch Delap for Rashford and we win the game yesterday easily. Such a great player who can press, hold up play and run with the ball. Absolutely mental, Onana robbed him for two goals yesterday, but future star striker in the league.

Rashy on the other hand is like Sterling washed out player who started career early and quickly famous to down his tools when things not going his way. Amorim hopefully seen that and wont give him many more chances. We could as well just promote someone from the youth if players are lazy.

Did Onana really rob him of a couple of goals? I'd expect Delap to bury both those chances of he was in a United shirt (especially the first one). It's a poor finish as much as it's a great save, if you get me.

 

[arthurka]

Don't know why there are still people trying to defend this guy? He is way past saving.

 

[Top_Bins]

I think people underestimate how much he’s regressed physically from a few years ago. He couldn’t even dream of moving at this speed anymore. I do think that back injury took from him. I don’t think he has the all round game to compensate unfortunately.

Its crazy how much pace he's lost. Struggled to get near the Ipswich RB. You may be right about the back injury.

We've shot ourselves in the foot with him, think it's time to give him game until January and maybe look at moving him on a loan at least. If he can perform at another club, then it will increase the chances of the club selling. If he doesn't, we are back at square one anyway. Might aswell give that a shot.

I agree with this. He could be very effective in say...serie A as a striker.

 

[sepulturite]

I swear you’re like a bungalow. Got nothing going on upstairs. I can’t be bothered with this conversation anymore.

Yep don't waste your time, that poster jumps in here every time to defend Rashford despite what we can all see with our own eyes. It's gone beyond ridiculous now.

 

[afrocentricity]

Yep don't waste your time, that poster jumps in here every time to defend Rashford despite what we can all see with our own eyes. It's gone beyond ridiculous now.

When's the last time I defended him? Rashfords done here unless he sorts himself out....

It's as if you gotta either be for or against Rashford,, can't have a nuanced take like "Rashfords been shit for a while but the criticism goes too far" - can't be that simple can it?

I took offence to the caption in the post.

 

[led_scholes]

When's the last time I defended him? Rashfords done here unless he sorts himself out....

It's as if you gotta either be for or against Rashford,, can't have a nuanced take like "Rashfords been shit for a while but the criticism goes too far" - can't be that simple can it?

I took offence to the post.

Just looked what it meant. At the beginning I thought it was polish for whatever reason. I m with you on this. Perhaps the poster doesn't know what the caption means though (I didn't as well).

 

[afrocentricity]

Just looked what it meant. At the beginning I thought it was polish for whatever reason. I m with you on this. Perhaps the poster doesn't know what the caption means though (I didn't as well).

I get that but I told him....

 

[The Serpent]

I can never ignore what is happening right in front of me, because all I see is this joker walking around pretending to be a professional footballer.

It comes as no surprise that the standards of this club have fallen so far when we have people like yourself defending a player because he has a relatively low output of returns for his minutes. Don't forget two of those five goals were against Barnsley (which is about Rashford's level).

I don't use social media and I can make my own judgement.

I seem to remember last season Rashford had a similar G/A to Garnacho while garnacho probably had 1 more assist. Garnacho also played more minutes and had more starts and people were heralding him as Ronaldo's heir.

You clearly do ignore what's happening right in front of you, because you ignored the fact he was the only player alongside amad who turned up and produced something against Ipswich in a new system under a new manager.

And to say he's pretending to be a professional footballer, Embarrassing I appreciate some people who'd look like boris johnson on a pitch with professionals think tap ins don't count and are easy. Reality is obviously different and why you're here talking smack about an elite athlete and not tapping in goals in the premier league every week.

Rashford never apologised to the fans for what he did. Should he? Absolutely, because without the United fanbase, he and the club are nothing.

I've had no respect for the guy ever since and I actually find myself resenting him for even being on the pitch when he is such a waste of space.

Most people, up and down the country, are not paid 350k a week to keep themselves in prime physical condition.

So because he earns 350 per week to turn up train and play games, which he fullfills, he must not enjoy himself outside of work? Next are you going to complain about players haviing a sex life outside of football, because its a risk to catching STD's? I could understand if this guy was falling out of pubs every week, but if you read my previous post, players have nights out, get hammered up and down the counttry at every single club. Being paid large sums of money an industry that pays large salaries doesn't mean you are suppose to become a Jehovah Witness

 

[Von Mistelroum]

Watched Gary Neville talking about the Ipswich match and going through every possible way to avoid being negative about Rashford, while at the same time, essentially saying he can't play in this team.

"That's not the kind of player Marcus is", "Marcus can't play like that", "That's not his strength and neither is..."

Nothing is his strength anymore. He isn't a good passer, he can't defend, he can't beat a man most of the time, he can't cross, he doesn't have good awareness or intelligence, and now he's not even fast.

It's time to accept that he's just not at the level we need and never will be again.

 

[McGrathsipan]

People say Rashford doesn't care or doesn't work hard but in sport there is such as burnout. When I watch rashford closely I see a guy frustrated banging his hands against the floor when calls go against him and the team or missing chances.I see a player whose body can no longer keep up with what his mind wants to do That's not the sign of a player not caring. I know people have made up their minds about him not being good enough, that's ok he's been here for a good x amount of years and has had his purple patches and has had more periods of bad spells than good spells, since then so maybe if he doesn't improve his consistency levels then move him on.

But the toxicity and abuse directed towards him calling him toxic, lazy and a virus and crap like ''leopards can't change their spots' as if he's some snake I can't understand. . Ole overplayed him through serious back injuries, the same thing happened to Martial and as a result they could no longer consistently produce top performances, only in flashes of brilliance here and there, because their bodies had broken down. I argue these players are the victims of mismanagement and bad coaching, had we kept Ten Hag Garnacho would follow in the same footsteps getting burnt out and not actually coached to be an all round player who doesn't rely on pace and one trick moves

Rashford one of our academy players should be given more respect, ok he had a night out drinking last seaason which he's been demonised for and used as an argument that he's toxic and runs the club because ten hag decided not to treat him the same way he did sancho even though rashford apologised to the manager. But ask yourselves do you honestly believe players at City, Liverpool this doesn't happen? You think we're the only top club where players turn up late for training? Do you think Giggs, Roy Keane, G.Neville never had nights out getting piss drunk down the pub once in a while during the season under Fergie? Now social media blows things out of proportion and was public execution of players who they know will drive clicks and agenda driven merchants to offload their vitriol on. And of course because Fergie was a successful disciplinarian who ruled with an iron fist, people think modern players should behave as those in Fergies era which was nearly over 10 years ago before social media was a big time thing.

As a result our fanbase has fallen victim to this mindset willing to bash and denigrate our own players who we are suppose to support. Obviously support doesn't mean not to criticise, but to exaggerate and paint someone's character in a different light as to what actually is reality, through spoon fed agenda driven perception on social media is not actually criticism, it's personal character assassination.

You make some valid points - however we do live in the age of social media and its people Rashfords age that are the most avid consumers and indeed providers of content.
His dress sense and jewelry love in is egomania at the highest level. His personal training videos when things are going not so well for his image This man has had attention his whole life - so should be well used to it. Even Mother Teresa gets abuse on the internet ffs. Just dont read it. So I dont have sympathy for anyone that craves attention like he does not liking negative attention.

He is a classic United player post Fergie- in it for the money and the football is secondary to brand and image, like his mate Lingaard. - when it should be the other way around.

Anyway the bottom line is he isn't good enough - he never was and United will never win a title with him in the front line as the leader, pair this with his dire performances week after week and you have your answer. For him and for United its time for him to move on - he needs a new club and United need the money.

 

[TMDaines]

@The Serpent

You are wasting your time here. It’s like going on Twitter and expecting to have a reasoned discussion about Trump. The moderates have long since vacated this particular thread and its forerunner of the previous season.

 

[Ekeke]

I dont think hes lost much pace.

That clip against City shows something he probably has lost though. There he's actively sprinting hoping someone will play him in. Whereas against Ipswich and in general he isnt being assertive with his running and at times slowly reacts, which is common for our players.

For example there was a ball played for him to run and try to get on the end of against Ipswich and their rightback defended it. He was slow to try and accelerate and win the foot race and he didnt get there, the RB defended it. He waited and never really got going. Vs. the clip where he's just sprinting with no trigger to tell him the ball is coming, he's just making the run

 

[OL29]

I get that but I told him....

You didn't tell me you told me to feck off and asked if I was taking the piss. You're too on edge on this thread, looking to argue with anyone and everyone. If you want to have a reasonable conversation with someone then speak to them in a reasonable way. Just because we're on the internet doesn't mean you can just insult people over your own misinterpretation.

 

[V.O.]

I dont think hes lost much pace.

That clip against City shows something he probably has lost though. There he's actively sprinting hoping someone will play him in. Whereas against Ipswich and in general he isnt being assertive with his running and at times slowly reacts, which is common for our players.

For example there was a ball played for him to run and try to get on the end of against Ipswich and their rightback defended it. He was slow to try and accelerate and win the foot race and he didnt get there, the RB defended it. He waited and never really got going. Vs. the clip where he's just sprinting with no trigger to tell him the ball is coming, he's just making the run

He has. He used to be able to get past almost any fullback in the league with a simple kick and run, often multiple times a game.

Now he doesn't even try it because he knows it's not happening.

 

[Ekeke]

He has. He used to be able to get past almost any fullback in the league with a simple kick and run, often multiple times a game.

Now he doesn't even try it because he knows it's not happening.

If he doesnt try it you can't compare it.

 

[Desert Eagle]

Rashford has fallen into Pogba territory. You can't have a normal conversation about him anymore. It's too toxic and we should make sure he leaves this summer. Appreciate all the good times but he seems to have fallen out of love with the game and we need players who are hungry.

 

[The Serpent]

You make some valid points - however we do live in the age of social media and its people Rashfords age that are the most avid consumers and indeed providers of content.
His dress sense and jewelry love in is egomania at the highest level. His personal training videos when things are going not so well for his image This man has had attention his whole life - so should be well used to it. Even Mother Teresa gets abuse on the internet ffs. Just dont read it. So I dont have sympathy for anyone that craves attention like he does not liking negative attention.

He is a classic United player post Fergie- in it for the money and the football is secondary to brand and image, like his mate Lingaard. - when it should be the other way around.

Anyway the bottom line is he isn't good enough - he never was and United will never win a title with him in the front line as the leader, pair this with his dire performances week after week and you have your answer. For him and for United its time for him to move on - he needs a new club and United need the money.

This is the problem what exactly has his dress sense got to do with what he does on the pitch playing for US? So he's meant to dress like a tramp, drive a 2 door Fiat, for you guys to respect him? I'm sure I've seen Garnacho posting on his IG showing himself get haircuts and posting pictures on himself leaning himself off a yatch, with a designer bag. I couldn't care less, I care about the double standards and this agenda driven crap against one of our own academy players who is United through and through

During the summer break he was seen training early trying to get fit. Then during one of the international breaks this season he was seen doing extra training, even taking boxing classes. There's worst performers in the team who have a worse work ethic and I don't see mass hatred against those players. If they have a good game I don't see ''leopard don't change their spots'' kind of posts, or a reminder of previous misdemenours. The performance is judged on it's own merit

A poster mentioned about race, and I'm genuinely beginning to believe there are underlying issues why people have a problem with Rashford. You mentioned Lingard, before rashford, sancho was a problem, before that pogba was a virus because he was flashy and posting haircuts even though Garnacho does pretty much the same with even less of an output that Pogba ever produced. Then the virus was Martial, the virus before that was Lukakku. Outliers have been maguire and mctominay for not being good enough, but never ever heard such personal grievances and poisonous hatred about frivolous thngs about their ''body langauge'' '' how much they earn or ' ''lifestyle'' even though Maguire assaulted a policemen

 

[kouroux]

Oh nooess he lied about being ill, something which happens in every work place up every day up and down country. I've given you plenty of examples, past and present of players who've gone out partying drinking during the season or acted unprofessionally. These players like I said actually have lives outside football, you must be new to game if finding out a player missed training because they were hangover is such a big drama for you

After the binge, he made himself available but ten hag told him to stay home as punishment and was fined. The end. Paul Scholes once refused to play a game of football, because he didn't want to come on as a sub. There wasn't any social media during those days.

As far as Rashford being a poor player is that's why he's our second top scorer this season with 10 starts, 5goals and 3 assists? Without his goal yesterday we'd have no doubt lost the game, but all you can focus on is past misdemeanours instead of objectivily judging performances on their own merit. We things like ''his celebration is embarrassing '' look at, his body langauge wasn't smiling'' and calling him lazy even though he ran his socks off like most of the team, where plenty of other players performed far worse and didn't run as much.

You are a prime example of someone being a victim to social media agenda frenzies. Once a narrative is put in place about a particular player of our own, you believe in it and any tiny thing which reinforces this biased mindset you latch to and ignore what is actually happening right in front of your eyes through cognitive dissonance.

His performances have been genuinely disappointing. Nowhere near the level a player of his age/profile/wages should produce.
I doubt most give a feck about his drinking, partying, travelling, if his performances were consistent.
The real world is unforgiving the moment you're not producing.

 

[V.O.]

If he doesnt try it you can't compare it.

He hasn't just stopped going past players for fun because he doesn't fancy it anymore. He couldn't outpace career lower league journeyman DM Sam Morsy on Sunday.

He's not getting past most of the league's fullbacks in the way he used to. He physically can't do it.

 

[van Nistelrooy]

You make some valid points - however we do live in the age of social media and its people Rashfords age that are the most avid consumers and indeed providers of content.
His dress sense and jewelry love in is egomania at the highest level. His personal training videos when things are going not so well for his image This man has had attention his whole life - so should be well used to it. Even Mother Teresa gets abuse on the internet ffs. Just dont read it. So I dont have sympathy for anyone that craves attention like he does not liking negative attention.

He is a classic United player post Fergie- in it for the money and the football is secondary to brand and image, like his mate Lingaard. - when it should be the other way around.

Anyway the bottom line is he isn't good enough - he never was and United will never win a title with him in the front line as the leader, pair this with his dire performances week after week and you have your answer. For him and for United its time for him to move on - he needs a new club and United need the money.

Well concluded. Rashford is finished at United (or at least he should be). Case closed.

 

[Ekeke]

He hasn't just stopped going past players for fun because he doesn't fancy it anymore. He couldn't outpace career lower league journeyman DM Sam Morsy on Sunday.

He's not getting past most of the league's fullbacks in the way he used to. He physically can't do it.

As you said he isnt trying to.

 

[Insanity]

How much do you guys reckon we can get for him this summer? As much as I like him, I don't think there is a spot for him in the starting XI anymore. He also very much needs a change of scenery if he has to revive his career. It's not going to happen for him here.

 

[afrocentricity]

You didn't tell me you told me to feck off and asked if I was taking the piss. You're too on edge on this thread, looking to argue with anyone and everyone. If you want to have a reasonable conversation with someone then speak to them in a reasonable way. Just because we're on the internet doesn't mean you can just insult people over your own misinterpretation.

I didn't tell you?

All fair enough bro but how does that caption relate to Rashford? Other than his ethnicity?

It's used by racist trolls

Man's getting all defensive after getting questioned for posting that crap, as if a black person has never made a boo boo before....

The post before mentioned race too, you could have just done a google search.... instead of digging in like

Maybe direct your post back to yourself. What is your point here anyway?

 

[van Nistelrooy]

How much do you guys reckon we can get for him this summer? As much as I like him, I don't think there is a spot for him in the starting XI anymore. He also very much needs a change of scenery if he has to revive his career. It's not going to happen for him here.

This is the problem. Before anyone is even considering making a bid for him, who is going to be able to afford to pay him £300k+ a week, or even think he is worthy of such a wage?

Rashford is in a comfortable position due to this club's stupidity in giving him such a deal. It was only the season prior when he had his worst season ever.

I'd say he's virtually unsellable due to the contract and the stubbornness United have about moving on a formerly promising academy player.

 

[OL29]

I didn't tell you?


The post before mentioned race too, you could have just done a google search.... instead of digging in like

Maybe direct your post back to yourself. What is your point here anyway?

I don't know if you're being intentionally thick to avoid accountability or you're genuinely slow. I'm talking about your initial responses.

What's with the caption? Are you taking the piss?

feck off with that meme shit. And then people get indignant when someone mentions race....

The point is that if you'd asked me reasonably about the caption I would have responded reasonably. But you responded with hostility then act surprised when it's not received well. Not very logical.

 

[afrocentricity]

I don't know if you're being intentionally thick to avoid accountability or you're genuinely slow. I'm talking about your initial responses.



The point is that if you'd asked me reasonably about the caption I would have responded reasonably. But you responded with hostility then act surprised when it's not received well. Not very logical.

Bro I didn't appreciate being called an unhinged fool and what ever else you implied about my temperament, and still seem to be? You posted a caption with known racist connotations, you made a mistake, just own that ffs and stop riding me for how I delivered my very valid message. As I said, I would have by now... and I'm supposed to be the problem here?

Do you think I'm telling you as a person to feck off, or something?

 

[OL29]

Bro I didn't appreciate being called an unhinged fool and what ever else you implied about my temperament, and still seem to be? You posted a caption with known racist connotations, you made a mistake, just own that ffs and stop riding me for how I delivered my very valid message. As I said, I would have by now... and I'm supposed to be the problem here?

Do you think I'm telling you as a person to feck off, or something?

So you're generally that slow. Ok let me kay it out for you:
If you don't appreciate being called an unhinged fool then maybe don't tell people to feck off and ask if they're taking the piss? I don't know why that's so hard to understand. Don't dish out what you can't receive. We're literally taught this as kids....

 

[afrocentricity]

So you're generally that slow. Ok let me kay it out for you:
If you don't appreciate being called an unhinged fool then maybe don't tell people to feck off and ask if they're taking the piss? I don't know why that's so hard to understand. Don't dish out what you can't receive. We're literally taught this as kids....

I sent you a PM, I told you that you posted a tweet with a racist meme in it. I don't know where you are taking this convo but you can do that alone.... I'm done.

 

[John XII]

So you're generally that slow. Ok let me kay it out for you:
If you don't appreciate being called an unhinged fool then maybe don't tell people to feck off and ask if they're taking the piss? I don't know why that's so hard to understand. Don't dish out what you can't receive. We're literally taught this as kids....

@JoseM4 Can you translate this please?

 

[SirAF]

So because he earns 350 per week to turn up train and play games, which he fullfills, he must not enjoy himself outside of work? Next are you going to complain about players haviing a sex life outside of football, because its a risk to catching STD's? I could understand if this guy was falling out of pubs every week, but if you read my previous post, players have nights out, get hammered up and down the counttry at every single club. Being paid large sums of money an industry that pays large salaries doesn't mean you are suppose to become a Jehovah Witness

Not drinking alcohol, for instance, is not being a "Jehovah Witness". It is the least you should expect from a professional athlete. If you need alcohol to enjoy yourself then you have a serious problem.

 

[Remember the geese]

So because he earns 350 per week to turn up train and play games, which he fullfills

"Fullfills" is doing an awful lot of heavy lifting here. He has been pathetic for such a long time.