That’s probably due to consistently not being passed to when he does make those runs though. You can see most matches he’s clearly getting frustrated with the lack of service - there were a few against Ipswich. He needs to keep making the runs and hopefully with better tactics those passes will start to come.
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That’s probably due to consistently not being passed to when he does make those runs though. You can see most matches he’s clearly getting frustrated with the lack of service - there were a few against Ipswich. He needs to keep making the runs and hopefully with better tactics those passes will start to come.
I think you probably must be a Witness to think that complete abstention from alcohol is the least you could expect from anyone bar someone with a serious and longlasting alcohol addiction.
Yup. 3 more seasons remaining after this one. It'll have to be Sancho to Chelsea kind of a deal if it has to happen.
15 minutes ago, after lots of back and forth...
I do think he’s lost pace. I don’t think that’s all he’s lost, as you say, anticipation, belief, top motivation also seems reduced. However, I’ve seen him a lot of times now in even foot races were he would have crushed opponents before, ball within reach and goal in sight, and I don’t believe anticipation, belief, motivation explains way those situations. In fact, if I had seen any examples during the last year that he has extreme speed, it would corroborate a hypothesis that he still as pace but just don’t use it, but I can’t say I have.
In that case, it seems more reasonable to assume that he has lost some pace and that this influences his belief and motivation as much as the other way around.
That's ridiculous. I'm talking about professional athletes here - abstaining from alcohol (at least during the season) should be a given.
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For me its that he isnt sprinting. And he constantly runs the ball inside at defenders where theres no space to go at top speed or he'll lose control, so he isnt at top speed. Whereas if he kick and ran it down the left side he'd have the time and space to sprint. He doesn't want to be wide left so he doesn't bother sprinting into that space.
A bad outcome of being coached to be a winger coming inside all the time
Thats with the ball. Without the ball I dont see him making runs like the clip against City. I see him on the back foot waiting for the ball to be played before bothering to go from jogging to running
Well, I don’t think it’s plausible that a football player hasn’t even tried to sprint once in several thousand minutes of football. I could go with ‘often doesn’t bother’ or similar, but to imply that he hasn’t attempted as much as one full sprint in as long time as we’re talking about here, in tens or hundred thousands of different game situations, that seems extremely implausible.
I don’t think reality backs you up on this one.
I know there are plenty of idiots, I'm saying that pro athletes SHOULD abstain.
Probably 95 % of professional athletes and professional coaches are idiots in your ‘should’-world, I’d assess. If you’re seeing it as a given, maybe you should reorient yourself to the species of which you talk about, and accept that you might be just as much a cultural outlier as the Jehova’s Witnesses you mentioned?
Chelsea would be a realistic option. No club outside of England would be willing to pay what is required. I don't believe that Rashford would be willing to sit out his contract, so there is hope for the summer.
Or he turns it around, which obviously would be the best outcome.
So you are saying its a race thing?
All those players you mentioned gave more to their brand than to their performances. They didnt make it at United. This is not debatable.(exception maybe Sancho)
They needed to concentrate on being a professional football player. Rashford didnt need to post videos of extra training did he? Why in your opinion did he feel the need to do that. The reality is only the first team manager and his team mates need to know what training he is doing. Posted online by his PR brigade for likes and positive PR. Egomania.
Garnacho is in the place five minutes so he gets somewhat of a pass for what he does off the field- when he is here as long as Rashford is and parades around in fur coats and diamond gum shields he will get pelters if he isnt delivering on the field.
For me materialistic people are chasing junk values, it suggests a certain mindset. I dont like it , but thats my opinion so you dont need to worry about what I think.
What concerns us as fans is Rashfords performances and how bad they are - he is collecting a massive salary off the back of the fan , so we should absolutely be allowed to complain about him and his expensive clothes when they money he is using comes from the club, part funded by the fans he is meant to perform for.
Yeah, I am not giving up on him. He is still the best option out of Hojlund, Zirkzee and him.
However, I do sometimes get the feeling that he needs a change of scenery. The pressure and scrutiny at United is unlike anywhere else and Rashy to me doesn't come across as someone with immense mental toughness.
Are your familiar with a footballer called Antony?
Other non-black footballers who have got dog's abuse for things completely beyond their control include Phil Jones for daring to be injured and Luke Shaw for being heavyset. I also remember Shaw's choice of trousers being a reason to slag him off at one point.
Or, going back a few years, a footballer who was given the charming nickname on here of John O' Shit.
Fans will always find a way to turn on players who, in their perception, let the team down. And they'll use whatever ammunition they have to take a pop at them. Whether that's their physique, fashion sense or social media content. Skin colour is not the issue here. The issue is what we all see on the pitch.
They are idiots then. We ask ourselves why our players aren't elite athletes and it's because they aren't expected to behave like elite athletes.
Are the world's top distance runners (or other top olympic athletes) getting wasted regularly during their seasons? And these are usually athletes paid a pittance compared to what footballers are.
We should have higher standards of professionalism when people are being paid tens of thousands a week. Eating a prescribed diet and not drinking should be the least of the sacrifices expected.
I'm not saying he hasnt tried at any point to sprint. I'm saying he waits too long to try and by that point the oppertunity is usually gone
In the City clip he's running for no reason but hoping that the ball comes his way
I cannot remember seeing him do that in the last few seasons
Was it against Chelsea or Leicester he tried to do his "trademark" kick it pass the defender and run past him, just for him to barely get by his defender and also kicked it out for a throw in?
All this talk of Rashford running reminded me of this.
Maybe, he just needs to change his game and become an out and out, goal poacher/ box striker. Like what Ronaldo did after he had his knee injury. Build himself up and become a menace that's just going to physically bully defenders.
Maybe, he just needs to change his game and become an out and out, goal poacher/ box striker. Like what Ronaldo did after he had his knee injury. Build himself up and become a menace that's just going to physically bully defenders.
I'm sorry what Brand was Martial giving more attention to than the club? And what Brand was lukaku devoting his time to before he was hounded out of the club? What about Zirkee who is already receiving abuse? Can you not see a trend?
I don't believe it's a solely a race thing when there is levelled criticism of his performances, I can agree with most of it, but when I see race baiting videos such ''we was kangz'' clipping up rashford, while it's documented rashford having to fight racial abuse online through the years then yes it's quite obvious there is an underlying racial issue which is why most of our fans can't articulate what the problem actually is even after he scored our only goal against ipswitch and make up lies and exaggerate that he didn't perform any sprints.
Then switch up to analysing frivolous things such as that he drives he a bentley, and once upon a time he went out on a night out drinking so can't be forgiven and he earns 350k so shouldn't have a life outside being an athlete and should dress in cheap clothes and be a good boy and do what the manager and fans tell him to do and don't post nothing on his socials, otherwise it's just for nefarious purposes to build his brand.
As for Garnacho he's been in the first team for nearly 3 years in comparison Zirkee, has only made 4 starts and nothing has stopped fans from abusing him and telling him he's lazy, get out of the club etc. Can you honestly say if Zirkee was posting photos of himself sitting on a yacht, with a gucci bag, and showing himself getting flashy haircuts he would not recieve abuse? It's ok for garnacho do because apparently he's only been here ''5 minutes'' but god forbid a black player do it then they're taking tthe piss out of the fans hard earned money and have the right to dictate how a professional athelete how to live and go about their business.
I've seen plenty of players post training videos on their ig casmiro, martinez, luke shaw, mason mount, garnacho,. Meanwhile you say it's only the first team manager and teammates who need to know what training he's doing, so why do you need to worry and know what car and jewelrey he wears? That doesn't make any sense. All players have fans, so yes it will be pr because you know our club is also a brand and they will be encouraging all the players, not just rashford to engage with the fans as much as possible on a professional level
The guy can't even win if he shows he cares it's because of pr, if he shows he is trying to improve it's just for his brand. when rashford cried in the fa cup final there was socials saying it was all an act and was for pr.
He didn't come back badly from it physically. He seemed to get affected worse from the shoulder injury which he played with along a couple of other injuries for like half a year in 2021. He also became bulkier afterwards which I think didn't help him as a winger and made him more uneffective with time. There were some hints in Ten Hag's first season he could transition full time into a striker but that didn't last long.
I have given up on him. I consider Højlund to be a better option than him.
I think you're right when it comes to playing as the striker, because you cant always just be on the last line trying to run in behind. You can a lot of the time, but you also need to hold up the ball and get it to feet at times.
However when he plays on the wing he can make those runs hoping the ball comes like he did in the City clip. He just doesnt want to. He wants the ball to feet all the time
The problem with playing Rashford in the 9 is that any sort of 50/50, Rashford loses, even if it is 70% in favour of the attacker he 100% loses it.
So any ball played up to him has to be perfect on the floor with correct pace and spin, anything other than that, he can't do anything about.
He is too one dimensional to play at a 9. He is actually so bad at holding the ball up, we may as well not play a ST.
I agree about his holdup but I dont think Hojlund is noticably better. So many times he gets a first touch then a poor 2nd touch or he leaves the ball behind and the opponents collect is easily
Zirkzee started off doing it decently but now looks as poor as any of them and obviously he doesnt offer running behind which would be Rashford and Hojlund's strength
That's a complete guess though. There's no way you can say that without some kind of medical and insider knowledge.
It's equally if not more possible both players just ran out of motivation. Particularly Martial who never looked like a player with the right mindset.
I still have a small hint of hope that the lack of a left wing position means he commits to changing his game. It won't be easy of course but many players do it if willing.
The best outcome this season is probably limited game time and let him focus on either becoming a wing back or a striker.
The best outcome this season is probably limited game time and let him focus on either becoming a wing back or a striker.
Never mind having to control a ball on his chest or, God forbid, win a header.
You also said you don’t think he has lost pace and you disagree with a few posters, me included, who think he has lost pace.
The issues you point to, we agree upon. It’s that you disbelieve in our observations that he seems to have lost a yard or two of pace, explaining all observations away with reference to motivation etc. That only works if anyone has seen him sprint at that earlier pace recently. If none of us has, it points to that he likely has lost some pace as well as all the other issues being there.
You are saying that 95% of elite athletes are idiots? And that we should have higher standards of professionalism than professional, elite athletes?
What is it you know that 95% of elite athletes aren’t privy to?
His biggest strength was always running off the last man, it's why he was always at his best as an inverted forward on the left.
He's not as explosive anymore, and he's never been a particularly intelligent or technically secure footballer, so he's likely unable to adapt.
Rashford is done. He should be sold at the end of the season.
He's not as explosive anymore, and he's never been a particularly intelligent or technically secure footballer, so he's likely unable to adapt.
Rashford is done. He should be sold at the end of the season.
The majority of footballers aren’t teetotal. What are you talking about?
I disagree, I think Hojlund is noticeably better than Rashford at this, he wins fouls and at least gets his body in the way.
Also, I saw Hojlund make a few runs in behind against Ipswich and was found a few times, which Rashford did not do at all.
Should basically be pinned on this thread. Sums it all up perfectly. Has nothing to do with his clothes or him going to a bar or his "head not being in it". He's simply declined physically, and as a player who's main threat was his explosive pace that same threat isn't there anymore which makes him rather toothless as an overall package.
I'm not saying they are (though it's doing Salah no harm). I'm saying they aren't acting like top level professional athletes if they are going out getting wasted regularly - and that the same expectations that are placed on athletes in Athletics would probably help to improve their performances.
But who is going out and getting wasted regularly? Where has that suggestion even come from?
This thread is so bizarre, it's 90% people living in reality, completely aware Rashford isn't performing. Now the reasons very, the levels of disappointment/anger very, but the general consensus is that the player is not performing, hasn't been for some time and his attitude appears to be a bit of an issue.
Then the other 10% are clearly Rashford fanboys, they throw every excuse you can think of, out of position, doesn't have the right fullback, doesn't get service, doesn't like the coach, etc, etc. They can't come up with enough reasons why it is everyone's fault but Rashfords. Reading through their posts, watching them twist and turn to try an avoid anything negative being leveled at Rashford, whilst those same concerns levelled at Antony, and they would be all over it, trying to bring down Rashford's competition.
The bizarre part of this thread is the engagement.... there is literally no honest actor left that just thinks Rashford is in a temporary slump, everyone knows he's shite, so why are people even wasting their time engaging the fanboys? You will not change their opinion, Player FC rules, Rashford is more important than United to these people. Stop wasting your time, these people's opinions will never change, do you just enjoy repeating the same criticisms over and over hoping at some point these people will have some sort of epiphany and realize Rashford has been shite for years? News flash, they won't.
Then the other 10% are clearly Rashford fanboys, they throw every excuse you can think of, out of position, doesn't have the right fullback, doesn't get service, doesn't like the coach, etc, etc. They can't come up with enough reasons why it is everyone's fault but Rashfords. Reading through their posts, watching them twist and turn to try an avoid anything negative being leveled at Rashford, whilst those same concerns levelled at Antony, and they would be all over it, trying to bring down Rashford's competition.
The bizarre part of this thread is the engagement.... there is literally no honest actor left that just thinks Rashford is in a temporary slump, everyone knows he's shite, so why are people even wasting their time engaging the fanboys? You will not change their opinion, Player FC rules, Rashford is more important than United to these people. Stop wasting your time, these people's opinions will never change, do you just enjoy repeating the same criticisms over and over hoping at some point these people will have some sort of epiphany and realize Rashford has been shite for years? News flash, they won't.
Even one drinking spree like the one claimed earlier this year is absolutely mental for a professional athlete mid season re:Rashford.
Either way, I'm not gonna keep litigating this point, it was simply a generalised point where I didn't refer to any particular player that in general, it seems like our players don't treat themselves like I'd expect a top level professional to, based on a wide range of factors, be it that we seemingly have low control of diet (based on reports when our players transfer to e.g italy), drinking (various) or long distance travel mid season. I wouldn't be surprised if changing that entire culture is part of us becoming a successful team again. Top level sport is about fine margins and athletes drinking mid season seems a trivial 0.1% to gain compared to some of the other gains.
I don’t really know what you’re talking about to be honest, but okay.