Marcos Rojo possible exit

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A quick google suggests a lot of sites are claiming he's on 70k but with no sources (that I can find so far)

However, a few years ago he sacked his cleaner for taking pictures in his house - one of which included a wage slip stating 200k (I don't know if that's weekly or monthly, and if it takes bonuses/extra earnings into consideration)
 
Rojo is a warrior, had the potential to become a cult hero here, but alas it didn’t work out. He was great in that period when he was paired with Smalling under Vangle, but he gets injured way too much.

Wish him all the best at Wolves, except of course when he plays us. If he can stay fit he will be a great addition to their defense.
 
Sanche7 said:
An ACL tear is probably the worst injury an Athlete can suffer from. They may make full recoveries but are very rarely able to achieve their pre injury levels.
Look at Zlatan and Laporte for example with the latter losing his pace after the injury. Both players are injury prone with Jones having more frequent injuries whereas Rojo has had one very serious injury.

I can't say if a PL. manager would buy him or not, and don't see why a mid table team wouldn't because all the England Internationals play for the top teams. Not to mention he helps with the home grown quota. Even if you ignore that, just looking at the rate below average CBs are going, anything below 30 million would be a very poor business from us IMO. If Mina, Lascelles and Keane are worth 30 million plus, Jones sure is worth at least that
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That's just not true regarding the ACL, the majority of ACL injuries should make a full recovery, however if associated with damage to cartilage and a full tear of the medial ligament then long term outcomes are not just as good. Ibra had significant other injuries to the knee that would have complicated his outcome and he was certainly losing his pace even prior to the injury. He rushed back to playing which didn't do him any favours in retrospect.
Jones with a relative injury free season would certainly be worth more than the players you mentioned, however his injury record is a huge factor in any price or interest.
 
jderbyshire said:
Luckhurst said he was on 160k

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Highly doubt that. It would be insane.

Think it's a good move for all parties. Rojo isn't United quality defender (as much as I love his personality), but if he can focus and get back some of his form pre-injury he can definitely help a team like Wolves. When he isn't injured or out because of a red card.

And yes, once again, talk a bit about Neves while you negotiating this, please.
 
edgar allan said:
That's just not true regarding the ACL, the majority of ACL injuries should make a full recovery, however if associated with damage to cartilage and a full tear of the medial ligament then long term outcomes are not just as good. Ibra had significant other injuries to the knee that would have complicated his outcome and he was certainly losing his pace even prior to the injury. He rushed back to playing which didn't do him any favours in retrospect.
Jones with a relative injury free season would certainly be worth more than the players you mentioned, however his injury record is a huge factor in any price or interest.
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Do you know the details of Rojo's injury? Whether he had a full or partial tear, if he had a medial collateral Ligament injury, whether he had associated cartilage injury?
Also every single case is different so i don't know how you can make a generalization like that about ACL tears.

And also I see that you value Jones at less than 30 million or less than Rojo.Even if you add English tax to the Rojo transfer fee, it will put Jones comfortably at a valuation of 35-40 million. But I guess that's his value in your opinion and no matter what I say he will always be a below average defender to you
So I've nothing more to say about this.
For me he is a much better defender that Mina and Keane and his experience at the highest level will be a big plus for any club that signs him.
I'm happy that our the club doesn't under value our players like our fans do.
 
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OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
I'd rather Rojo and Jones go way before Smalling though. The latter has just had a good season, is generally reliable and is fit 90% of the time, way more than anyone else we have in that position. Until Bailly can become reliable and play 40-50 games a season, we'd be mad to get rid of Smalling, Especially if the incoming CB is Alderweireld who is as injury prone as the rest.

IMO Bailly, Maguire, Smalling and Lindelof would be a pretty good pool of centre backs.
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No idea about the glass bit, never heard of it, wouldn't surprise me, latino temper is special (i know a couple) :lol:
The problem with Smalling, is that he makes Fellaini look like Messi on the ball, i'd still prefer to keep him of those 3 though. I know i said Rojo, but his tackles are too reckless, and i think Smalling is the better defender.
Maguire, Bailly, Lindelöf, Smalling and some games for Tuanzebe and TFM, if they're not sent on loan.
I'd be happy with that, and they all have decent injury records, maybe apart from Bailly. Keep him fit, and we'll have some good CBs for many years.
 
The sooner the better the guy honks the place out would much rather have Johnny Evans instead.
 
Him or Jones have to go, I don't really mind which. We won't get that much money for Jones so, Rojo it is.

Decent enough defender but we have more than enough defenders who are only decent.
 
If we sign Maguire then Jones could go because of the home grown quota. Same with Toby / Rojo
Unless we see English FB in our future then very soon Young is another English body down and Smalling and Jones could easily be replaced in a year or two.
Thats if we want Sandro etc in our first 11 or even have Delot become a success.
 
Be happy if we sell either of Rojo or Jones, then hopefully the other one the following Summer. I'm a fan of Smalling but I think Maguire could turn out to be better than him in a few seasons under the right coaches. I'd be happy with the long-term plan being to sell Rojo and Jones over the next two Summers while signing Alderweireld or Maguire this Summer.

By that point, Fosu-Mensah or Tuanzebe could be ready for the first-team or we could sign another top centreback. Rojo and/or Jones need to go first though, they've been injured more than any other player in our history that I can think of bar perhaps Luke Shaw. If we can get over £20m for both of them it's great business on our part yet again. Since Jose arrived, we've got far more money for our surplus to requirements players than ever before, including the Fergie years.
 
Ekeke said:
If hes an average defender how come several managers have picked him and he keeps up to £30 million bought CBs out of the team?

People like to do weird financial math with grass-is-greener players at other clubs, like "If VVD is worth £75 million then Maguire must be worth £65 million"

But Jones has seen off Bailly and Lindelof to be our starter last season. Whether you like it or not, thats a fact.

So at this point in time hes proven to be worth more than 2x £30 million+ CBs who were both bought before CB fees have seemingly doubled.

Jones outperforming 2x £30 million+ CBs in his managers eyes is far more relevant than assumption that if 1 player from another team is worth something, then another player from a different team is worth something else. Because he's factually done it and been selected over them. For all we know Maguire could go to Liverpool and Lovren keeps his place next to VVD because his manager feels hes outfperforming him, ala Jones with Bailly and Lindelof.

I'm pretty sure nobody thought that Jones would be picked instead of Bailly when we signed him, or Lindelof when we signed him. Why? Because of hype and the grass is greener nature of football fans and especially on here. But he has been. Whether you or I like it or rate him higher than the other players, he made himself a first choice CB when the two other players were available.

So no he isnt a trash tier CB. He may be one that isnt quite good enough to be starting for us in every type of game, I think most people agree with that and we seem to be trying to sign a new CB so that would indicate the same. But just because we seem to be after £65 million and £70 million CBs doesnt mean Jones is terrible. It means we think he's not quite as good as £70 or 65 million CBs. That doesnt mean he isnt valuable, quite the opposite in fact.

And for all the experts on here know, Jones might actually outperform another expensive CB we bring in just like Jones and Smalling have continued to do as we've bought in Rojo, Bailly and Lindelof in previous seasons for substantial money for CBs at the time. With the inflation they'd probably be £65 million CBs too.
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Lindelof hasnt and maybe never will got the intensity of the premier league so he couldnt play and Bailly is as injury prone as Jones and was out most of the season. The first season he was here before he got injured he was our best defender easily. Im not valuing jones as a footballer Im valuing him as an injury prone footballer thats why I cant see an Arsenal or an Everton for example paying anywhere near 35-40 million pounds for him. City Liverpool Chelsea or Spurs wouldnt look twice at him so I picked the next 2 clubs as example to the top 4
 
I like Rojo, he would be great Mourinho CB if he stayed injury free. He will be always a bit hit and miss playing after injury and he's not trash or anything what some of you say. The problem is if he can realistically stay fit and also we end up with Phil Jones staying who is more injury prone. 25m pounds would be actually fantastic for Rojo and we should be reinvesting it in someone like Maguire who can stay fit.
 
How do we have fans who genuinely seem to think that Rojo is better than Smalling? He's never fit, he's not very good and he's fecking rash. But it's alright because he can volley the ball sweetly on occasion and ping a long ball so he's clearly better than our best defender (who's earned his place under both Van Gaal and Mourinho).

He's like if Bailly didn't have ability.
 
TwoSheds said:
How do we have fans who genuinely seem to think that Rojo is better than Smalling? He's never fit, he's not very good and he's fecking rash. But it's alright because he can volley the ball sweetly on occasion and ping a long ball so he's clearly better than our best defender (who's earned his place under both Van Gaal and Mourinho).

He's like if Bailly didn't have ability.
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Season before last was it, where he did about three two footed leg breakers and somehow never got sent off for any of them.
 
TwoSheds said:
How do we have fans who genuinely seem to think that Rojo is better than Smalling? He's never fit, he's not very good and he's fecking rash. But it's alright because he can volley the ball sweetly on occasion and ping a long ball so he's clearly better than our best defender (who's earned his place under both Van Gaal and Mourinho).

He's like if Bailly didn't have ability.
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Fancy name, not English.
 
jderbyshire said:
A quick google suggests a lot of sites are claiming he's on 70k but with no sources (that I can find so far)

However, a few years ago he sacked his cleaner for taking pictures in his house - one of which included a wage slip stating 200k (I don't know if that's weekly or monthly, and if it takes bonuses/extra earnings into consideration)
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110K per week according to Spotrac
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Sanche7 said:
Jones for 15 million :wenger:
I know we fans are desperate to get rid of Jones, but he's English, still young and when fit a very good defender. If VVD can go for 75 mill, I'll ask atleast 35-40 million for Jones.
We are not a charity to give away players
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:lol::lol::lol:

That cheered me right up.
 
VanHaal'sRedArmy said:
110K per week according to Spotrac
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Is Spotrac reliable? Lindelof on 120,000 seems way too high. He arrived during the same summer as Matic, and Matic was established as one of the best DMs in the world at a club which pays very good wages. Lindelof came from Benfica, they don't pay big wages in Portugal. He is also a rather small name. I can't believe that number.

Why would he get 50 percent more than Bailly, who came to Utd under the same conditions? 30m fee, 22 y/o defender from a good but not rich side in southern europe, playing in a good national team but not from a big nation, relatively unknown name, little competition for the signing (Bailly had more than Lindelof). It just doesn't add up.

Also I don't understand the difference between Young and Valencia. Seems to me like Valencia's agent is bad at negotiating:wenger:

Juan Mata has to be up there as one of the biggest earners at Utd, he came for a club record fee. Unless he took a pay cut when his contract got extended for 1 year, but I somehow doubt that.

Total salary 118m seems sounds very low, I think their data has to be incomplete. Utd is reported to have one of the biggest wage bills in Europe.
 
Don Alfredo said:
Is Spotrac reliable? Lindelof on 120,000 seems way too high. He arrived during the same summer as Matic, and Matic was established as one of the best DMs in the world at a club which pays very good wages. Lindelof came from Benfica, they don't pay big wages in Portugal. He is also a rather small name. I can't believe that number.

Why would he get 50 percent more than Bailly, who came to Utd under the same conditions? 30m fee, 22 y/o defender from a good but not rich side in southern europe, playing in a good national team but not from a big nation, relatively unknown name, little competition for the signing (Bailly had more than Lindelof). It just doesn't add up.

Also I don't understand the difference between Young and Valencia. Seems to me like Valencia's agent is bad at negotiating:wenger:

Juan Mata has to be up there as one of the biggest earners at Utd, he came for a club record fee. Unless he took a pay cut when his contract got extended for 1 year, but I somehow doubt that.

Total salary 118m seems sounds very low, I think their data has to be incomplete. Utd is reported to have one of the biggest wage bills in Europe.
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I seem to remember Valencia sacking his agent a few years ago because he was happy at United and didn't want to leave. Not sure when Young signed that contract, but he's been on the big wages for a while. It always seemed a bit of a strangely high wage for him.

Agree on Mata, I assumed he'd be much higher.
 
Don Alfredo said:
Is Spotrac reliable? Lindelof on 120,000 seems way too high. He arrived during the same summer as Matic, and Matic was established as one of the best DMs in the world at a club which pays very good wages. Lindelof came from Benfica, they don't pay big wages in Portugal. He is also a rather small name. I can't believe that number.

Why would he get 50 percent more than Bailly, who came to Utd under the same conditions? 30m fee, 22 y/o defender from a good but not rich side in southern europe, playing in a good national team but not from a big nation, relatively unknown name, little competition for the signing (Bailly had more than Lindelof). It just doesn't add up.

Also I don't understand the difference between Young and Valencia. Seems to me like Valencia's agent is bad at negotiating:wenger:

Juan Mata has to be up there as one of the biggest earners at Utd, he came for a club record fee. Unless he took a pay cut when his contract got extended for 1 year, but I somehow doubt that.

Total salary 118m seems sounds very low, I think their data has to be incomplete. Utd is reported to have one of the biggest wage bills in Europe.
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No idea about their EPL data, their American pro sports salaries are pretty accurate.
 
I'm pretty sure footballers get paid monthly, according to a footballing accountant I've talked to.
 
Art Vandelay said:
I seem to remember Valencia sacking his agent a few years ago because he was happy at United and didn't want to leave. Not sure when Young signed that contract, but he's been on the big wages for a while. It always seemed a bit of a strangely high wage for him.

Agree on Mata, I assumed he'd be much higher.
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From what I can remember reading sometime back, Young took a higher basic wage with a lower signing on fee when he initially signed for us. Same money over the life of the deal but we paid him little/nothing upfront.
 
beergod said:
From what I can remember reading sometime back, Young took a higher basic wage with a lower signing on fee when he initially signed for us. Same money over the life of the deal but we paid him little/nothing upfront.
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That makes sense I suppose. I always wondered how the hell he'd landed those wages.
 
beergod said:
From what I can remember reading sometime back, Young took a higher basic wage with a lower signing on fee when he initially signed for us. Same money over the life of the deal but we paid him little/nothing upfront.
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That’s my memory also; I remember it being reported he took a wage reduction when he renewed some years later, but that was more down to the signing fee element of the original wage having been satisfied by then. There was a lot of outrage on here when his original wage was revealed, and that number seems to come-up quite a bit still despite the reduction he took later.
 
Donovan_red7 said:
Rojo is a warrior, had the potential to become a cult hero here, but alas it didn’t work out. He was great in that period when he was paired with Smalling under Vangle, but he gets injured way too much.

Wish him all the best at Wolves, except of course when he plays us. If he can stay fit he will be a great addition to their defense.
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We have had weird luck recently with potential cult heroes in defense, haven’t we? Rojo was on that trajectory until he did in his knee and shoulder (separately), Jones should’ve been one for all time after his header off the ground, Shaw was the surest thing to become one, Bailly was an absolute lock, Darmian was man of the match for like the first four matches he played here which is now easily forgotten, Raphael probably doesn’t even exist anymore.

Weird.
 
Donovan_red7 said:
Rojo is a warrior, had the potential to become a cult hero here, but alas it didn’t work out. He was great in that period when he was paired with Smalling under Vangle, but he gets injured way too much.

Wish him all the best at Wolves, except of course when he plays us. If he can stay fit he will be a great addition to their defense.
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The warrior aspect is half the reason I like and hate him. He is phjysically and mentally so tough for his size, turns a game almost into a one against one personal duel....but the warrior aspect also makes him so emotional and rash in his play, he has been so lucky not to be sent off or havemore penalties, free kicks given against him.

He was truly awful at left back, far worse than Darmian even. I think the fact he was so bad made people love the improvement so much when he was at centre back that people got carried away. He did well when we had an emergency there but with the rashness I wouldnt trust him there at all generally.

What is going on at centre back post Vidic/Ferdinand? That is waht 6/7 years ago almost now? We hoped Smalling/JOnes would step up, they havent. SO we sign an average centre back in Blind, then an average centre back in Rojo. Bailly looked good in his first season but needed a quality partner so what do we do, we sign Lindelof another average centre back.

We laugh at the millions City have spent on centre backs, we have been even worse spending on players talent wise have virtually all not been good enough and apart from Blind we still have all of them! At least they blew millions on talented ones and moved those on that didnt work out as quickly as possible, we have signed ones for half the fee that were never good enough in the first place probably since JOnes apart from Bailly
 
I thought he was rubbish under LvG but I have warmed up to him.

I hope he finds a decent club and is happy but I don't think there's any space left for him in our squad.
 
I do like him but it seems like he's injured too often. Plus he's 28 and should be near or at his peak, yet he's still just okay. Rather bring in someone like Maguire.
 
There were a lot of tweets about him possibly going to Everton, seemed like a bit of a briefing.
 
Decent defender but not really good enough at the highest level. Would be a good signing for Everton.
 
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