Marcos Rojo | Manchester United Player Pending Medical
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Should be to Doyen, but it the tweet makes it sound as if its to us. Woody would love that
The player's third party co-owner.
Doyen - they get 3/4 of the sale value, or 3/4 of the bid value if Sporting choose not to sell.
It seems like there's some kind of agreement that if Sporting receive a bid, they have to pay a % of it to the agency even if they don't accept such bid.
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they gonna end up selling then... even if they pay the 15M, how much profit can they make in a future sale? not that much than right now.
they gonna end up selling then... even if they pay the 15M, how much profit can they make in a future sale? not that much than right now.
United should now make successive lower bids until Sporting are up to their tits to Doyen.
Yes, and do the same for other players with similar agreements as well. Great payback for rejecting our bid!
I'm certain of it mate
Yeah great way to piss off clubs that you may want to do business with in future.
Sporting has rescinded their contract with Doyen, which means this is now going to court. There's no way this is settled in the next two weeks. Sporting's president is making it a personal quest to stop crap from any agents or sports agencies, so he will not back down on this.
He should really have considered that when he got into bed with them.
Actually the war with doyles has more to do with a team from north of Portugal which doyles, mendes and pinni are really involved.
Yeah completely.
I'd probably think about loaning him out, or perhaps selling him for 10-12m if possible.
geez what a post!
And about real madrid or chelsea nabbing players from United? If Rooney decides not to play and practice because he wants to move do you think United will keep a 300k per week player? People complains about real madrid actions but when is United involved then is not a problem.
He didn't. It was the previous president that made the deal.
What the hell kind of stupid deal is this? I've got no sympathy for clubs that even get involved in this shit.
Oh, great.
Am I right in thinking Sporting bought Rojo off Spartak Moscow for 4M, then gone on to immediately sell 75% of his economic rights to Doyen? If so, what the feck do Sporting expect? Either sell him or buy back his rights off Doyen. It's pretty simple and they knew what they were getting themselves into when they sold his rights to them.
Porto have done something very similar with Brahimi, again dealing with Doyen to gain a quick buck, buying him from Grandad for 6.5M and then immediately selling 80% of his economic rights to Doyen for 5M.
Porto have done something very similar with Brahimi, again dealing with Doyen to gain a quick buck, buying him from Grandad for 6.5M and then immediately selling 80% of his economic rights to Doyen for 5M.
Would be quite shocked if Rojo didn't join us. Seems nailed on. It will drag though, probably until deadline day.
Auto correct, I know. I still pissed myself.
didn't even realise!The version I heard, is they couldn't afford his price, so went to Doyen who fronted the majority of the cash for Sporting to buy him, to own 75%of the contract.
It's pretty much inevitable it will be resolved in our favour.
If they don't sell him to us they have to essentially buy him from Doyen, even though he's refusing to train and will no doubt never play for them again. They certainly can't afford Doyen to take them to court and have legal fees on top of all that.
More that they approached Doyen and said "we like this player, will you front us 3 million of the 4 million transfer fee?"
One thing I don't quite understand. If Spartak are entitled to 20% of any transfer profit, does that all have to come from the fee Sporting receive (ie taking the 2.8m euros straight from their 5m euros), or does it come from Sporting and from Doyen in the same ratio as their ownership rights? (so 0.7m from Sporting and 2.1m from Doyen).
If they don't sell him to us they have to essentially buy him from Doyen, even though he's refusing to train and will no doubt never play for them again. They certainly can't afford Doyen to take them to court and have legal fees on top of all that.
More that they approached Doyen and said "we like this player, will you front us 3 million of the 4 million transfer fee?"
One thing I don't quite understand. If Spartak are entitled to 20% of any transfer profit, does that all have to come from the fee Sporting receive (ie taking the 2.8m euros straight from their 5m euros), or does it come from Sporting and from Doyen in the same ratio as their ownership rights? (so 0.7m from Sporting and 2.1m from Doyen).
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Sporting never owned 100% of Rojo's rights. The original deal was made for about 4.5 million Euros and Doyen payed 75% of that. They did sell off part of other players rights (like William Carvalho), but not Rojo.
As to buying those rights, they're not going to sell at a discount. If Sporting had that kind of money, they wouldn't have needed help to buy the players in the first place.
We don't know for sure. I've seen it written as 20% of the profit, and as 20% of the fee over €15m. It certainly appears to be Sporting who pay all of it though there have been a couple of comments from Sporting's president that make me think they want to argue that in court. As usual the real story is in the depths of the contracts and may earn the lawyers a fair amount before a deal is done or a verdict is given.
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Ah, right. So I guess Sporting never had 100% of his economic rights but my point still stands. They only bought 25% and thus they knew what they were getting into when they asked Doyen to pay the remaining 75%.
If they can't afford to buy the rest of his rights, then they have to sell him. There's no ifs or buts. Doyen want their profit on their investment and I doubt Rojo's value will be higher stock than it is right now so fair play if they want to cash in.
No matter what happens, Sporting still are making a profit on a player they paid peanuts for, and whom without the help of Doyen would probably have never had the opportunity to buy. It was a stupid decision making this deal and even getting into third party deals but there you go, what's done is done and Sporting have to live with the consequences rather than spit their dummies out.
Ah, right. So I guess Sporting never had 100% of his economic rights but my point still stands. They only bought 25% and thus they knew what they were getting into when they asked Doyen to pay the remaining 75%.
If they can't afford to buy the rest of his rights, then they have to sell him. There's no ifs or buts. Doyen want their profit on their investment and I doubt Rojo's value will be higher stock than it is right now so fair play if they want to cash in.
No matter what happens, Sporting still are making a profit on a player they paid peanuts for, and whom without the help of Doyen would probably have never had the opportunity to buy. It was a stupid decision making this deal and even getting into third party deals but there you go, what's done is done and Sporting have to live with the consequences rather than spit their dummies out.
United fans surely have the highest sufferance of all clubs in the world when it comes to transfer windows. We've been through so much shit in recent times. Why does our great club have great difficulties in the transfer market?
He doesn't really have a leg to stand on considering Doyen paid the majority of Rojo's transfer fee. You can't have it both ways.
Aha. I guess the contracts void then.
The willian post above was being flippant, Have United done anything wrong in this transfer?
If Rooney was part owned by a fund, with a release clause set at x amount, we'd let him go. It wouldnt get to the stage where he would need to quit training.
Na. Whoever the president of Sporting was, it would have been the club who entered into the third party agreement with Doyen over Rojo. The contract would still be valid despite the former president being the one who entered into it on the club's behalf.
That's not to say that Sporting may not have the right to terminate the agreement but the legality of that would depend on the terms of the agreement and the law and would be completely separate from whoever the President of Sporting was.
In football terms it's Sporting that own the players registration. They can let this go through the civil courts for months if they really want to. They don't have to accept a deal within the next 2 weeks.
The only pressure on them is whether they want an unsettled Rojo to start the season, or want to put up with him rotting in the reserves as a show of strength.
I get that, was making a joke out of it.
If you take on a company, all contracts previously agreed remain - simple really.
I think Sporting know he's worth more to them over the next 3 years of his contract than the £4m or whatever nonsense fee they'll get if they sell now. They'd be wise to stall until after the transfer window, no point in the player going on strike then, he'll get fined for breach of contract.
There is absolutely no chance of Rojo playing for Sporting after this. Bridges well and truly burnt for both camps.
If he apologised I'm sure he'd be back in the team. The president may not be bluffing about letting him rot in the reserves, why would a young player waste some of his career doing that when outside of a transfer window anyway?
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