Kinell we should just walk away. So many better players out there, that we need more.
Wouldn't mind so much if we did switch attention to Carvalho.
Wouldn't mind so much if we did switch attention to Carvalho.
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How many left footed CB's who are also capable on the ball that are better there?
There's 2 Portuguese lads at work (1 Porto, 1 Benfica fan) and they both say he's shit, he's not been very good according to them. The Porto fan never stops raving about Carvalho as well, says he will be one of the best midfielders around in the next few years.
Left footed CB who is capable on the ball? That is a silly premise.
Maybe I am underrating Rojo but he has not impressed me.
Maybe I am underrating Rojo but he has not impressed me.
Aren't there any other Sporting fans around other than Sly? He is like an one-man army defending his club's honor. And doing a mighty fine job at that too. I was initially convinced Sporting were being unnecessarily stubborn with Rojo's transfer but perhaps there is more to it than the information available to us and Doyen's group perhaps are being the real scumbags here. My only gripe with Sporting is that their release clauses are extreme and disproportionate to the player's salary while also leaving little negotiating power to the player.
It´s just on this case because i really hate our previous President who almost destroyed our club and left us with this shamble of deals with these obscure funds. I´m actually quite friendly and have a soft spot for United. Im quite passionate about the club. Sometimes too much i guess. Should take it easy. There was another fan called SCP1908 or something like that. Barros besides a United fan also follows Sporting and had an account in our forum.
I already explained the reasoning behind the clauses. It´s just something that player contracts from portuguese big clubs have. It´s very rare to see a player leave for the clause. There is always negotiations. Sporting never "cut" players legs. Ilori and Bruma ended up leaving. I think Rojo will leave too and we and the fund will get the appropriate compensation.
Any chance of us signing Carvalho died when Moyes was sacked.
With Rojo and Slimani leaving, i can´t see Carvalho leaving this year. United´s Carvalho link has been dead for a while. Only club linked to Carvalho is Arsenal. And according to our press (Peterstorey is going to love this), Wenger gave up on him and will pursue Tioté. Of course it will probably be bollocks because it was a "A Bola" report.
I'm having Herrera and the three imposter flashbacks
Wow Tiote, is Wenger desperate for a DM? No way he'd adapt to Arsenal's style of play.
Though I agree with @Sly about putting your club at #1 spot, you do need to be sensitive about other parties as well, most importantly player. I always go with 'they are players, not slaves' logic in this. If player wants to leave, I wouldn't stop him. However, you do need to protect your club as well. If Sportings president doesn't want to deal with 3rd parties, now is good time to send the message to everyone. Question is, how is that message going to be sent?
I absolutely agree with this. Problem is the specific circunstancies. With a player refusing to show up, breaching the disciplinary code and a fund trying decieve us impersonating an United rep, things were bound to get messy (no pun intended). I´m all for compromise but not when we are dealing with this kind of behaviour.
I think you should release him from his contract as punishment so we can get him on a free.
I think you should release him from his contract as punishment so we can get him on a free.
I would direct swap him with Nani if we could afford his wages
30m euro buyout clause, we re willing to pay 20m. But it doesn't matter to Sporting anyway, they don't get profit from selling him at any price.
What's the hold up you asked? It's a bit complicated . Few years ago, Sporting sold 75% Rojo's contract to a 3rd party company, Doyen, so they only get 25% from selling and has to pay 20% of the profit to Shartak Moscow, Rojo' previous club. Doyen doesn't care, happy to sell Rojo at any price as long as they make profit and you can tell SL doesn't get benefit much so their new president tell everyone to feck off. They're dragging this into court (sort of)
Hope that sums it up
Know very little about Rojo but I just can't see this deal happening before the close of the window. Not unless we make some kind of direct payment to Sporting and from the little I've seen I just don't think he's worth it.
I think this will happen. But it may drag on. We could do with him as an extra option in CB and also possibly covering for Shaw at Lb pretty quick though.
Woodward doing a wonderful job as usual with our transfers then, sigh.
Hard to see how this is Woodward's doing tbh. The problems clearly lie in Lisbon.
Is that math really correct? Surely, if they only own 25 % of the contract, they they only have to pay 25 % of the 20 % profit? That's horrible business if true.
Don't let such rationalism in the way of some Woodward bashing though. Its clearly his fault too that Rojo was backup to Vermaelen.
So not want, couple of years and he will be acting the twat here as well. Players are happy to sign contracts, they should be made to honour them
Well some expected underwheliming transfers....and yeah knowing the situtiation we couldnt have started earlier
Im beeing mean i know
United must have known the situation with the 3rd party business.
Any contact with his agent would have cleared it up, but yet again United aka "The Biggest Club in the World" is having trouble buying an average player that no one else is bidding for.
Any contact with his agent would have cleared it up, but yet again United aka "The Biggest Club in the World"
is having trouble buying an average player that no one else is bidding for.
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Seen the new Adidas deal? That means we are the biggest and all the top players want to sign for us.United must had known the situation with the 3rd party business.
Any contact with his agent would have cleared it up, but yet again United aka "The Biggest Club in the World"
All the top players who've turned us down over the past few years are wrong.
How has this got any relevance to Rojo when the whole Rojo situation has come about because he wants the United move so much he put in a transfer request and pleaded to let him move to us?
Wasn't talking about Rojo, was talking about United being the self proclaimed biggest club in the world.
Ah right, yeah feck context I guess. Let's just use any opportunity to criticise the club. Bunch of wankers, hate the fact I support them.
That proves that we're the biggest franchise in football and not the biggest club in the world
Sporting is a big club, known for its great academy and scouting. It's not suited for it to not be professional, no matter how someone is messing with you. Your president sounds like a a-hole sometimes, thats not good for public image, and I'm not sure that's even necessary to sound like. Player is being an idiot, trying to move with all costs necessary. However, Sporting is bigger than him any day of the weak.
According to the reports about a certain clause in his contract it is Sporting who aren't honouring their end, not Rojo.
You bet this would happen if Real Madrid or Barcelona come knocking.
We need to stop faffing around and get this done. Get him integrated into the squad as soon as possible.
Reports not actual facts.
If he is good enough for wll clubs to be chasing him for expensive fees in a few years then it would be worth it.
And Real/Barca etc.. Do not come after defenders of that cost/hype anyway.
Sly, I get you're defending your club, however, there are only 3 parties who know "the facts" of Rojo's contract - Sporting, Doyen, and Rojo himself. Someone between Sporting and Doyen is lying about this clause. You don't know what the facts are and neither do I.
As for whats going on, regardless of how Doyen have acted (which I think they have probably acted like absolute cnuts), I think its entirely plausible Sporting agreed to sell for a certain price and as soon as a bigger club came in he wanted a bigger price. Wouldn't be the first time this has happened in football and it wont be the last.
I used it as hypothetical example. It´s hard to think of clubs who can attract players from United. Just these two come to my mind
Is that what you got from my post? I said that not even trying to defend my club. I´m just telling it´s reports and not facts. Kinda like the report today from "Correio da Manhã" (our The Sun equivalent) stating that our President and Rojo almost got into a fight (again Cofina group trying to destabilize our group). Lots of smoke screens and no facts. Of course i´ll defend my club (like you would defend United i guess) but i was stating an obvious truth.
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