Exactly... Carlsen is pretty straight forward when evaluating players and his testimony on Rojo holds weight.
Marcos Rojo | Manchester United Player Pending Medical
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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I remember the feeling of depression that resulted from missing out on Lucas and Thiago or even the likes of Ozil (twice). Yet this summer, we could easily pursue Lucas yet have no desire to do so, Thiago has become a sicknote, and we're quite happy with Mata and Kagawa in the number 10 role instead of Ozil.
One transfer window's must-have is the next transfer window's ghost.
But he would be our twat. We need more cnuts to fight the dirty battles on the pitch. someone to get stuck in when a Pepe or costa puts in a ruthless challenge on an adnan or mata.
Yep but we've left ourselves in a bad position for negotiation by leaving so much necessary business to the last few weeks of the window. If clubs know we're desperate...
I do see your point, I just dont like it.
If he came would he do the same here if the same situation arose?
I just think it is a shitty way to treat the club that pays your wages.
Neither Berbatov nor Evra were angels about how they left their old clubs. Plus if he thinks he has a €15m release clause then he's going to be angry with someone and you can bet his agent is trying to make sure Rojo doesn't blame him.
Heinze and Tevez were our twats too, until they weren't. Hopefully Dirty Schwein is right though and we won't see that side of Rojo while he's here.
Still, if it makes signing him a bit easier....
Normally I'd agree about refusing to train, but this perverse third party ownership arrangement has made the player a prisoner to competing interests.
Going on strike is his only option, and even if the agreement requires the club to sell him or buy out the third party, the club can just stall the player's lawyers until the transfer window closes.
I think this third party ownership is responsible for creating the bad behavior which otherwise wouldn't be necessary.
Going on strike is his only option, and even if the agreement requires the club to sell him or buy out the third party, the club can just stall the player's lawyers until the transfer window closes.
I think this third party ownership is responsible for creating the bad behavior which otherwise wouldn't be necessary.
At this rate, the players won't have to worry about that anytime soon except in friendlies.
RVP wasn't an angel either how he left Arsenal.
Looked pretty good in the Emirates Cup FWIW, but hasn't done too well at Monaco from what i've read and seen little bit.
He was always a young, bit raw talent though. Probably will have a real breakthrough in couple of years.
Dunno, why people thought he could come in straight away at this level. He showed glimpses of class but wasn't anything consistently good in La Liga either.
If Lovren can be considered as a good CB after only one good year in the prem, then Rojo can too.
He didnt get into the Argentina team at CB. 2 other players did
He's done well in Liga Sagres. So did Bebe
Smalling has been one of the better CBs in the premier league
I thought you had higher standarts than that Ekeke. Didn´t José Fonte had a better year than Smalling in the Premier League? He did. Plenty of portuguese pundits wanted him called up for the World Cup. Well the same José Fonte failed miserably at Paços de Ferreira and Estrela da Amadora. Things aren´t as linear. I don´t consider Smalling one of the best CBs in the Premier League. At least with what he has shown so far
That's mainly because he is the only decent LB in the country after him there is insua , Ansaldi etc... and they are weak players.
This one has the feel of a go-er.
When was this?
Ansaldi did fine for Rubin Kazan, including beating Barcelona at their prime
Rojo played at WB because he has the pace unlike Garay and Demechelis.
No.
Fonte played okay in a well organised team with Lovren standing out and being protected by Schneiderlin
Smalling played well as a CB in the middle of a shitstorm of disorganisation
Yes. Fonte did play better than Smalling. Doesn´t matter the circunstancies. I´m talking performance wise. I´d agree that Smalling has the potencial to become one of the best CB´s in the prem but he isn´t at the moment
Well, that doesn't change the fact that most of the time he is shit. And even if you consider him as decent, a CB plays instead of him in his National team.
I'd have killed to see Demechelis play wing back.
Even if they had a better left back Rojo wouldn't have started in place of either of them.
He really didnt.
A matter of opinion and although i respect your opinion (as you have seen in our previous exchanges) but i don´t take it as gospel. Fonte did very well and is underrated.
Sure did. And CBs including ones oft critisized on here were selected instead of Rojo at CB
I'm hoping he's good and proves to be perfect for the left of a back 3, but the severe underrating of Smalling continues. His out and out defensive work was bettered by few in the league last season.
Arsenal had one of the best 2 CB pairings last season and Wenger was adament he wanted Smalling in exchange for Vermaelen for a reason. Apparently he might as well have sold us Vermaelen and bought Jose Fonte for £2 million instead
Garay and Demichelis are more experienced than Rojo as CB's so i'm not gonna argue on that point.
As @Sly pointed out before in his assessment of Rojo about his lapses in concentration, and also others have said he has positional issues. These are issues that Van Gaal will iron out because he's a master of improving players in a positional sense. If our coach was still Moyes i'd be worried but with Van Gaal i'm confident Rojo will be a success with us because he has all the attributes required to be a top CB.
I though mascherano was.
Rojo is a very decent player, but not united quality.. in my opinion at least.
Yup, exactly this.
Get him quickly, cant risk playing James as the only left side player against Swansea.
Demichelis wasn't a starter going into the WC, Fernandez was. He was a bit shit, so Demichelis came into the side during the tournament. I'd imagine if they had a proper left back Rojo would be Garay's partner, and indeed will be long term.
My guess is that van Gaal will use Young instead of James on the left against Swansea. Even still, we should wrap this deal up quickly.
Even if you signed him tonight I doubt he would be thrust in for Swansea in 3 days time.
Don't get the Smalling hate. Whenever he's played CB for us he's been excellent. I can understand outsiders not understanding how good he is but United supporters should have seen enough of his games a CB to know better. If Rojo is anywhere near as good as him he'd be a terrific signing imo.
Just a little bit over the top, mate. He's not Cannavaro.
We'll see if it's over the top. He's been criminally misused so far. I don't expect that to continue under LVG.
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