Marcos Rojo | Manchester United Player Pending Medical
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Agree, but when you have a a clause in a contract, you need to clarify it in a way where it will hold up in a court of law. If you leave it vague, then the Suarez situation happens. Luis Figo moved from Barca to Real because he had a clear cut release clause, Martinez did the same when he moved to Bayern, we did the same with Herrera, but Heinze even went to a tribunal to force a move to Liverpool but failed.
I bet Ryan Gaulds wondering what he's signed up for. While the sporting president must think he's doing a good job for the club, in the long term it will harm their ability to attract players.
By all accounts, the current Sporting president is dealing with the third-party mess left by his predecessor. If I were the Sporting president, I wouldn't be keen to move these players on because the club are receiving far less than the player's replacement cost.
Seems Sporting had given verbal agreement on selling Rojo for 20 million as long as Southampton level of clubs were interested, but have decided to want more and make demands now that United are interested needing a defender urgently this Late in the Window.
Doyen say there is a clause in his agreement that Sporting will have to compensate them if they want to keep him which, Sporting kind of are denying this falsely as per them and they can't reveal it explicitly due to Confidentiality clause.
If Sporting and Doyen don't sort it out soon, can see it going to Courts. Depends on what exactly Sporting want here that they are not obligated to otherwise.
Doyen say there is a clause in his agreement that Sporting will have to compensate them if they want to keep him which, Sporting kind of are denying this falsely as per them and they can't reveal it explicitly due to Confidentiality clause.
If Sporting and Doyen don't sort it out soon, can see it going to Courts. Depends on what exactly Sporting want here that they are not obligated to otherwise.
The problem with contracts and the basis for a lot of disputes is one of "construction" - that is, what each party understands the relevant clauses to mean. Where's there's an issue the only way to resolve it is by reference to the Courts and thats where these kind of things get problematic in football because by the time anything is resolved the season will be half over.
I remember Berbatov too refusing to train. I could be wrong though. Not something which impresses me, but I would rather this than the player not doing anything to try and make the move happen.
Looks like another complicated transfer deal.
Good job we've given ourselves plenty of time to sort it all out before the new season.
Good job we've given ourselves plenty of time to sort it all out before the new season.
They have though, presumably only paid small sums for them if they only own half or a third of the player.
That being said, UEFA really need to do something about this because its a mess. God knows what sort of shady characters are involved in these deals and the companies that own "shares" in a player. They could be criminal's, drug dealers or any other sort of unsavoury character looking for an outlet to launder money.
I think It's quite possible that the Third Party who is majority owner of his rights here, have told him not to train as they feel Sporting are not honoring the contract clauses they have with them.
The Doyen Statement kind of says it is understandable that he is upset and not training given Sporting not honoring clauses/verbal agreements. (If my google translation was correct.)
So it's a different situation to Saha or Berbatov etc....
Seems that is what Sporting is banking upon here to get them extra money from United or Doyen. Sporting statement -
https://www.facebook.com/SportingClubePortugal/posts/10152223611116555
The Doyen Statement kind of says it is understandable that he is upset and not training given Sporting not honoring clauses/verbal agreements. (If my google translation was correct.)
So it's a different situation to Saha or Berbatov etc....
Seems that is what Sporting is banking upon here to get them extra money from United or Doyen. Sporting statement -
https://www.facebook.com/SportingClubePortugal/posts/10152223611116555
According to a portugese friend, Sporting has terminated Rojo's contract, so Rojo is now a "free" agent. But Doyen still own 75% of his rights if I understands it correctly.
I doubt it. They wouldn't give up on the fee they could receiver. @Sly can probably relate.
It might be possible as Sporting had to pay a % to Spartak and I think it was quite a high one therefore the fee for them would of been minimal anyway once the transfer has gone through.
Doubt it too. It doesn't make any sense, better to make money (even if it's not much) than nothing at all. So maybe Rojo is fully free agent, and not bound to Doyen also? I have no idea...
Is he comfortably better than say, lovren?
That statement looks like Sporting has unilaterally terminated their contracts with Doyen (not the players) and they cite misconduct by Doyen as the reason for the termination. My Portuguese isn't that good, but that's how I read it.
No.
The club has already issue a statement regarding the Doyen accusations. It´s explained there how the fund has been playing dirty and trying to manipulate the club. There are legal grounds for the club to report them to Uefa. The club has proceeded legally against Doyen and is terminating our contracts WITH THEM regarding Labyad and Rojo. Long juridical battle up ahead i guess. I would be surprised if Rojo joins United at all now. Must of the stuff that Duncan Castle guy is regurgitating is false.
He was in the team of the tournament in World Cup, so he can't be to shabby 
When I heard that he had not reported to training to force a move, I was less than impressed. There may be more or less to it than actually reported and we don't know the full details, but none the less, we don't really want players who could be potentially petulant and disurptive in the squad.
That said, he looked handy in the world cup and, just like with Fergie, we have a strong manager who can definately handle stroppy types.
Its safe to say that we should aim for other targets as this can get very messy
From what I read there, Sporting rejected an offer. The buying club then spoke to one of the Sporting board and directly/indirectly to Doyen - against normal confidentiality rules. Doyen then sent "threatening" messages to Sporting effectively ordering them to sell. Doyen therefore acted illegally/against the spirit of the contract in trying to bully Sporting over the contract. This misconduct offers grounds for termination of the contract.
Correct jojojo.
You don´t know what you are talking about. Sporting in the last years have been hostage to players unrealistic demands, greedy agents and obscure funds. That time is over with this President. Interests of the club above all. Ryan Gauld is in the best place to evolve. He just has to look at the wall of the academy and look at the flair players we have promoted and sold to understand that he made the best choice for his career.
I understand United´s fans impatience but if this was happening to United, with a fund meddling in your business and trying to create havoc in the club, one week before the start of the season, you would want your Chairman to act in the best interest of your club also. We have to make an example out of Rojo, or else it will be chaos at the club since we have several highly rated players.
From what i saw of Lovren last year, no. I would have loved to have seen Lovren at United. He could have played as the central defender in a back 3 or in a traditional back 4. I would rather have a central defender who could defend instead of a ball playing poor defender.
What Heinze did is unforgivable. He had a hissy fit because we signed someone better than him, fought tooth and nail to leave the club, went to tribunal to force a move to Liverpool and constantly bad mouthed Fergie and the club in the press. He was unrepentant at the time and carried on his shite for a few years. It's easy to apologise now that his career is over, just empty words for me. He's a treacherous rat and always will be.
It's a fair point. There must be a middle ground somewhere though. It sets a horrible precedent if Rojo has now done this at two separate clubs. We all think, quite rightly, that there isn't a step up from United, but we can't ignore the fact we aren't even in Europe atm. If he really does become the dogs bollocks, I wouldn't rule out him doing the exact same to go to Madrid or Barca.
On the topic of being worried he's an Argie on the basis of Tevez and Heinze, it's a bit bizarre really - we can't just group together an entire nation as cnuts because a couple of them are. It's like being worried about Shaw because he's the same nationality as Joey Barton and Ashley Cole. We aren't all like that! Having said that though, there could be something in it. We see this never say die, blood and thunder, uber patriotic attitude from Argies all the time. While it might translate well onto a football pitch, it definitely makes things tricky when things turn sour. Rojo seems to be cut from exactly the same cloth.
That's why you need clarity in those clauses and such.
He just reported the Doyen statement to be fair. Both sides have their own versions.
Honestly if i was Ed Woodward, i´d move for another target. This is a complete mess now and our President is known to drive a very hard bargain. Liverpool and Galatasaray tried to play games with him also and ended up paying over the odds. I´ve now been reading his saga when he left Spartak for us and it happened exactly the same. So like i said previously, this is Karma. Valery Karpin, who was Spartak´s director of football, said if it was up to him, Rojo would spend the whole season on the stands but we ended up reaching a compromise. Perhaps it can happen the same between United and Sporting but with our President and how the fund has been behaving, i´m skeptical
All this third party stuff really is getting very messy right now. I'm starting to think that even if we wanted to we wouldn't be able to get anything resolved before deadline time, particularly if it does end up going to the courts, even if the player is pushing the move.
Might be best if things done smooth out quickly for us to switch to a new target that can actually be signed during this window. Wouldn't want to see legal issues deal us and leaving us without signing a defender.
Might be best if things done smooth out quickly for us to switch to a new target that can actually be signed during this window. Wouldn't want to see legal issues deal us and leaving us without signing a defender.
Wow gone are the days of a straight forward transfer. Surely if interested we knew about all this shite with 3rd parties etc.
Anyone just want the window to shut already so all us muppets can hibernate until January.
Anyone just want the window to shut already so all us muppets can hibernate until January.
I'm speculating but I'm guessing Sporting had hoped to get a few Neymar-esque add-ons from United. A friendly match, a player loan, a development contract whatever - to make losing a €20m player for a couple of million palatable.
Doyen got tired of the stalling (perhaps knowing United are impatient) and a cat-fight broke out. Sporting's president may have even provoked it to get rid of the third party contracts once and for all. If this goes to court it will take months (years?).
Doyen got tired of the stalling (perhaps knowing United are impatient) and a cat-fight broke out. Sporting's president may have even provoked it to get rid of the third party contracts once and for all. If this goes to court it will take months (years?).
So? I said regurgitating. He has been copy pasting false stuff from the Doyen statement. The problem isn´t the fund per se but the portuguese branch with Nélio Lucas. He is notoriously known as an unethical, tax dodging, obscure interests connection "mobster". I´m glad we are terminating our connection with them.
This was at time of Southampton's interest i am imagining as Per Sportings statement ?
Guess if we want him enough we can pay extra something to Sporting with Doyen's approval and sort it out quick, but not sure we would wanna do that as it could raise further issues.
Wonder Whose the next left footed defender on the shortlist ?
That's the great thing about Ed Woodward Sly. Because we've acted really early on in the window, we have plenty of time left to move on to our other targets!
I was half-expecting us to pay the €30m actual release clause today, with Doyen channelling the odd €10m excess back to us. Unilateral termination of contracts by Sporting makes that scenario rather unlikely now 
Wrong Jojojo. It was decided between the fund and Sporting that in 23 July Rojo would no longer be in the Market. Everyone agreed and wanted the Champions League campaign for further valorization. I guess with United interest the fund must have changed their mind. Now after selling Dier, we are supposed to lose another CB, one week before the league start? All this talk of promises from Sporting behalf has been debunked by the Sporting President. There are no proof that he made any unrealistic demand. Doyen has been pressuring and meddling in our business and that´s unacceptable. You just have to read ou statement and see what the portuguese rep has been threatning us with problems in the academy. We can´t admit that. If it wasn´t this serious we wouldn´t terminate our link with them. I´m biased but of course i will take our President´s word instead of a obscure figure like Nélio Lucas.
It's hardly Ed Woodward's fault that our new manager was deep into the WC and then came back and asked for 3/4 weeks to assess the squad.
We did sign Shaw and Herrera from the shortlist beforehand and i assume there were deals in the pipeline with Moyes that got vetoed by Van Gaal as well.
That was the bit that stood out for me. If that goes to UEFA/FIFA then Doyen are finished, the authorities can't allow that kind of bullying. I wouldn't be surprised to see UEFA actually supporting the court case to establish a precedent.
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