Don't like the idea of any player refusing to train for his club, does not sit well with me at all.
Marcos Rojo | Manchester United Player Pending Medical
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Agree does not bode well if that's his attitude.
Well we've always been awfully slow in the market, even moreso this days so obviously I don't expect this to happen very soon.
I do believe this will be completed before the weekend.
Think we'll push for one more signing next week, but due to the lateness it won't be a significant signing of di Maria or Vidal scale.
Think we'll push for one more signing next week, but due to the lateness it won't be a significant signing of di Maria or Vidal scale.
He probably ruined his chance of moving by refusing to train and going to the media. Anyway at the end of the day they let him go.
Going back to a topic mentioned a few times earlier... I'm especially uneasy if that player is a hot-headed Argentinean, given our past experiences.
Not sure what you're saying - do those two sentences not contradict each other?
Where will Rojo rank amongst out current CBs?
It is inevitable he'll be sold this summer.
They can't afford to keep players to sit them in the stands, they're in a financial crisis.
They can't afford to keep players to sit them in the stands, they're in a financial crisis.
Sounds like he has a terrible attitude and discipline, you guys would do well to stay well clear.
He's better than all of them. He has disciplinary issues but apart from that he's technically better than all our current CB's. He's also got versatility and can play LB too. He gave a good account of himself at the WC as well.
What people have to realise is that Rojo is exhibiting signs of maturing into a really good CB. Benatia at Roma has only come good in the last year and half or so. Rojo struggled in his first season at Sporting but then quickly became an integral part of that defence in his second season.
We might just have a hidden gem that's about to realise his potential. No better time to snap him up than now.
Pros
- Strong physique
- Very quick
- Strong on the tackle
- Good aerially
- Reads the game pretty well
- Has a very good pass on him
- Very comfortable on the ball
- Just turned 24
Cons
- Has been known to get himself sent off or suspended all too often in his career. 48 Appearances at SCP - 18 Yellows, 3 (Yellow?reds), 1 Red
- Is prone to lapse in concentration. (Though it has markedly improved last year)
This is him in a nutshell.
It´s inevitable that he will be sold but not because of any financial crisis. I´ve said this multiple times, besides finishing our financial reestructuration last year, we already have our budget covered thanks to TV money, Champions League revenue and Dier transfer money where Spurs pay with "fresh money" in a single payment. Rojo will move because of his unprofessional behaviour and not because of financial pressure.
Why do they refuse to train? What's to gain by doing so? Didn't Modric/Bale do the same (well, maybe you HAVE to do it when Levy is involved!)
Feck, let's hope Karma only happens once thenThe thing is he already did this to join us and leave Spartak. I guess it´s karma
Force the move.
If we want him for the left, we should can the deal and go for Coentrao, or similar. Someone who can properly attack.
If we want him for the middle, we should can the deal and go for Benatia, or similar. Someone who can properly defend.
We should can the deal.
If we want him for the middle, we should can the deal and go for Benatia, or similar. Someone who can properly defend.
We should can the deal.
Because then the club will have to sell him, no use paying his wages if he's not going to train.
The thing is, if a player really wanted to get serious and go to the courts, the EU rules over freedom of employment would inevitably trump any contract a club might have with a player, especially if there was a transfer offer on the table greater than the remaining value of the contract.
He will move. Schneiderlin too, unless he has a change of heart.
He will move. Schneiderlin too, unless he has a change of heart.
Well he can tell them clearly he wants to leave and I am sure they know it anyway, but training/games are part of his contract, they are paying him, so at least he shouldn't refuse to take part imo. Just makes him look bad!
Anyway, still want him here ofc, but don't rule out him behaving in a similar way with us in some years if he wants to leave!
That's beyond ridiculous, it really is. I'd be pissed off if United went for Luiz and spent c£30m on him.Except David Luiz
Maybe that's the price of average/unproven centre backs now a days!
Dont expect him to be more solid than Smalling
Just got a new contract from Real and is firmly back in favour. We missed the boat on that one last season when we fecked up the paperwork.
Indeed... considering reports that United bid £20m for Hummels yet City and PSG are spending 40 and 50 million quid on Mangala and Luiz shows how ridiculous we sometimes are with our spending! Stingey
"Reports" mean nothing. I doubt a bid was ever made for Hummels.
And considering we probably overpaid for our last four players, I'm not sure how you can call the club stingey.
And it's gone quiet. Don't really see the problem in him refusing to train players do that all the time. I think it's more of the fact that the club promised he can leave if someone pays 15M or something like that.
at this point i'll be relieved if we buy a player from Stoke or Sunderland, we need a center back with a pulse.
Yep, no reason to think a first choice Argentina defender who made the World Cup team of the tournament would be better than a slightly older guy who can't get into the England team.
England.
Exactly. There's zero chance we made any sort of formal bid for Hummels because there was zero chance Dortmund would have sold.
And I can't believe caf posters would consider United stingy considering what we paid for Luke Shaw.
Argentina aren't exactly blessed with quality defenders, then again neither are England.
Tbf, he believes the club treated him badly. They had agreed to sell him for €15m and went back on their word. Not saying I agree with it, but I find it hard to vilify him either. He believes his actions are justified.
Maybe not, but Rojo was the pick of the bunch as they got to the World Cup final, letting in just one goal throughout 450 minutes of the knock-out stages, earning him a place alongside Silva and Hummels in the Castrol Index team of the tournament.
I'm satisfied he's a decent defender, and an upgrade on any of the all-time internationally renowned legends that are Smalling, Evans and Jones.
Considering Klopp made a comment about it I'm not too sure. My point is that you could likely get Hummels or another top CB for £40-50million.
That's just bad business though - desperate measures.
Klopp made a comment because he was asked about it and because the press were all over it. If we ever actually made a bid for the player it probably would've found its way to far more reputable sources than the ones that said we did, just like the Rojo bid.
No he isn't. He's better than Jones and that's it. Evans is better on the ball too.
I think Smalling and Rojo can complement each other pretty well in a back four, will be interesting to see who our third CB will be in a 3-5-2.
I shouldn't laugh but I didYou're deluded if you think Evans is more comfortable on the ball. Being comfortable on the ball is one of those things that you learn very early. That skill doesn't really go away as it's innate and a highly personalised skill. I don't think Johnny Evans has better skills on the ball than a ball playing Argentinian defender who has also played as a wingback.
Rojo isn't a 'ball playing defender' and it isn't something you'd attribute to him as one of his stand out qualities. If you'd actually watch him all season it's not hard to see Evans is better on the ball & both he & Smalling are currently better defenders.
I have close to zero idea about Rojo's ball playing abilities, but if he is better than Evans then we wouldn't be the only team after him. Evans is probably just below the likes of Hummels and Silva when it comes to playing the ball out from the back.
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