I guess you're going to stick to your opinion. I have indeed watched Sporting on and off last season. His game against Porto was a standout defensive performance.
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I guess you're going to stick to your opinion. I have indeed watched Sporting on and off last season. His game against Porto was a standout defensive performance.
I keep thinking The same thing plus we don't have a great track record with signing argies
As far as I can see Smalling is our best defender if we include the whole package. Then it's even between Jones and Evans.
Right know Rios would walk right in to our starting line up.
Right know Rios would walk right in to our starting line up.
Yeah the game against Porto in the cup he and Dier were both great but that's hardly a basis to go off for all season. He's been very inconsistent & the notion that he's better than Evans on the ball is just nonsense.
I just don't buy it.
Maybe the guy is another David Luiz, inexplicably promoted above his abillity by his national manager. But Luiz got totally found out, with the world laughing at him as he stood out as the worst player in the worst defensive team performance anybody has ever seen, whereas Argentina hardly let a goal in, and Rojo was the pick of their defenders.
I know better than to judge him purely on the world cup, and I've not seen a lot of him other than that, but all the indicators are he's above the level of our current three. In the opinion of various top level managers, at least.
He played left back at the World Cup so you can't really compare him to our centre backs based on his performance in that. I've watched him all season, while the talent is obviously there he's certainly not better than Smalling or Evans yet.
Why isn´t he better than Smalling? What has Smalling showed that he hasn´t? Evans is obviously a better player (i´m a fan of his) but Smalling? Everyone is entitled to their opinion but i don´t think Smalling is better than Rojo at all.
In terms of actual defending Smalling's better than Evans for me, Evans is just better on the ball.
That´s not what i asked is it? I asked you what makes Smalling a better player than Rojo.
I'm not questioning his talent because I haven't seen him play besides at the world cup.
Because I feel he's a better defender.. Rojo's more of a threat in the opposition box but that aside I don't think there's anything he's better at than Smalling as a centre half.
I think that's debatable mate. Evans, like Rio is a proactive defender whereas Smalling is a bit more reactive.
Depends what you mean by actual defending - specific parts like getting your head on crosses, getting tackles and blocks in etc, or the more general game of a defender who can aviod goals being conceded without having to resort to theses aspects as much.
I understand all that mate. I never suggested we definitely made a bid anyway, I said it was based on reports and only used it as a comparison to the ridiculous amounts that have been spent on Mangala and Luiz.
I think people underrate Evans. I have not seen enough of Rojo to compare them, but Evans when you look at the whole package is our best defender currently. If he can stay injury free this year I feel he will prove a lot of doubters wrong.
Well i don´t share the same opinion. Of course they play at different levels but if Rojo is inconsistent, then so is Smalling. When was the time that Smalling made a whole campaign with reasonable efficiency like Rojo did last year? Rojo not only isn´t injury prone like Smalling (never had a medium/serious injury in his Sporting career), he also gives more guarantees playing as full back. In my opinion Smalling isn´t a better man marker than Rojo either. Where Smalling is much better is his professionalism and disciplinary record. Rojo is one of the worst players ever to play for Sporting in disciplinary terms.
Please don't let this turn into a typical United saga please I beg you Edwood!
Unfortunately it already is mate.
Bit harsh to say that a retired tennis player would walk straight into the team.
Just a little sidenote from a similar third party ownership contract that Sevilla had for Kondogbia. Apologies for quoting myself from the Kondogbia thread last year, I had to search for it to make sure I got the details right.
The magic minimum figure in Kondogbia's case was €10m and his full release clause value was €20m.
We can't assume that the ratios or specifics are the same with Rojo, but perhaps that €30m (release clause) and that mysterious €15m (that Rojo apparently latched onto) could be the product of a similar contract to the Kondogbia one. Maybe.
The magic minimum figure in Kondogbia's case was €10m and his full release clause value was €20m.
We can't assume that the ratios or specifics are the same with Rojo, but perhaps that €30m (release clause) and that mysterious €15m (that Rojo apparently latched onto) could be the product of a similar contract to the Kondogbia one. Maybe.
I really hate all of this third party ownership nonsense.
So many Rojo experts....
Personally never really seen him. And when i have i haven't took note.
Did some of the old youtubing today. Looks like he likes a shot from 45 yards.
Personally never really seen him. And when i have i haven't took note.
Did some of the old youtubing today. Looks like he likes a shot from 45 yards.
Agreed.
Let's put it this way , if Evans , jones , smalling and rojo were put up for sale today who would cost the most ??
I cant see us getting more than 16 mill for our 3 so that tells its own story
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I think we may well walk away with all this third party ship thing. We don't usually deal with this sort of situation
Yep. Our previous president left our club in complete shambles because of this. New President has been buying percentages back but in cases like Rojo and Carvalho it´s impossible.
This is what our President had when he was elected:
Out of curiosity this is from FC Porto some years ago:
Look at that amazing Carvalho deal for the fund. It´s 400k for 40%, now he is worth millions.
Interesting. So basically Sporting probably made no more than around £4m on someone like Van Wolfswinkel and would stand to hand away something like £10m on Carvalho?Yep. Our previous president left our club in complete shambles because of this. New President has been buying percentages back but in cases like Rojo and Carvalho it´s impossible.
This is what our President had when he was elected:
Out of curiosity this is from FC Porto some years ago:
Look at that amazing Carvalho deal for the fund. It´s 400k for 40%, now he is worth millions.
Sorry about derailing the Rojo discussion but how's Kondogbia getting on anyway? Another for that long list of names we absolutely, positively must buy one summer only for his name to never be repeated in any subsequent transfer windows?
Free Rojo...
Anything north of 20m Euros is ridiculous for this guy. Hes not exactly world class.
But, because we leave things till so late in the Day, clubs know we are desperate
Hmm, seems to be a bit of a twat, doesn't he? He's fairly thrown the toys out of the pram if he's gone on strike. I mean I know it benefits us in this case but even still....
I don't know - but if Tor K Karlsen thinks he is a brilliant defender, that is good enough for me. He is a full-time scout who usually knows what he is talking about. He convinced me!
We have a habit of paying too much for players, it's what we do.
Free Rojo!
I asked that question a couple of months back.No one appears to watch Monaco play, so I still don't know what happened. As far as I can tell he went to Monaco and like several other talented players, he either disappeared or stagnated. Wenger sounded impressed with him when Monaco beat Arsenal in pre-season. That's all I know, except his Wikipedia entry now describes him as a defensive midfielder/centreback/left back (funny that) rather than the midfielder I remember from Sevilla.
We don't really know the reason behind it though. Maybe the club DID promise to let him leave should a bid of 15m+ Euro comes in and now are refusing to do so... Clubs are known to act like that sometimes.
This kind of reminds me when Big Bad Berbs wanted to leave Spurs but once he came here, we saw none of that kind of nonsense...
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