Marcos Rojo | Manchester United Player Pending Medical

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I have a feeling that the majority of people that aren't impressed by him and disappointed with us signing him are saying so because he isn't a name. I admittedly have not seen much of him besides the WC showings, which as basically nothing to go by when judging a player.
 
Dazzmondo said:
Their defence isn't exactly great. They did well at the World Cup because of the way they were set up, but their only great defender is Garay imo who we went to Zenit for £4.5m. It's pretty clear simply by checking the clubs that they play for that the defenders aren't anything special.

EDIT: I forgot Zabaleta also. He is of course a fantastic defender.
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They paid £12m for him, and that was with one year left on his contract. £4.5m is what Benfica received because they owned like 40% of the player, not unlike Rojo who is only owned 25% by Sporting.

You are right about Argentina having the best defence because of they way they played and not because they have the best defenders. Yet Rojo played very well for them and was one of their standout players for me. He is also still young and has some potential to develop, he is left footed which seems to be what we are looking for and he won't cost us anymore than £16m. I prefer him to Vermaelen and think that is a step up in all honesty, I also prefer him to Blind, as Blind sucks as a defender, just ask Ajax fans and is more at home in the position of a CDM.

Hummels is a pipe dream and so is Benatia, we are not getting those players this summer and anyway they aren't left footed which seems to be what LVG is after. I don't know anyone else but Rojo that ticks all the boxes for what we are searching.
 
Shark said:
I have a feeling that the majority of people that aren't impressed by him and disappointed with us signing him are saying so because he isn't a name. I admittedly have not seen much of him besides the WC showings, which as basically nothing to go by when judging a player.
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I think no question rojo is a better alternative than Vermaelen, who is has injury prone has the current batch of defenders we have
 
Rojo played reasonably well at the WC but I have not seen enough to convince me that he should a starter at United. Honestly I'm disappointed that we're apparently signing him but it does seem like he was the back up for Vermaelen which is why this is happening now.
 
I watched him in the World Cup and thought he was a serious liability. I can't understand why we'd go for him. I'd much prefer Blind even though I am not too fond of him either.
 
To be honest I was more worried at the lack of options at CB than the lack of talent. Obviously I'd have preferred an outstanding talent at CB but even lesser players can be coached into an effective unit by a good coach. If Rojo fits then I say sign him quickly and move on to improving other areas with (hopefully) superior players.

Vermaelen may well be a better player than Rojo and certainly seems to have been LvG's preferred option. He was criminally injury prone though so I think I'm (cautiously) happier with this guy.

That said, Herrera, Shaw and Rojo on their own would still be a pretty weak window.
 
For the people worried about what they saw in the World Cup, he's not a left back he's a centre half.
 
LVG made Vlaar look like a world-beater so I'm sure Rojo will do just fine if he's who Van Gaal has chose.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
They paid £12m for him, and that was with one year left on his contract. £4.5m is what Benfica received because they owned like 40% of the player, not unlike Rojo who is only owned 25% by Sporting.

You are right about Argentina having the best defence because of they way they played and not because they have the best defenders. Yet Rojo played very well for them and was one of their standout players for me. He is also still young and has some potential to develop, he is left footed which seems to be what we are looking for and he won't cost us anymore than £16m. I prefer him to Vermaelen and think that is a step up in all honesty, I also prefer him to Blind, as Blind sucks as a defender, just ask Ajax fans and is more at home in the position of a CDM.

Hummels is a pipe dream and so is Benatia, we are not getting those players this summer and anyway they aren't left footed which seems to be what LVG is after. I don't know anyone else but Rojo that ticks all the boxes for what we are searching.
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Ya, another poster told me that too. My mistake. That video of him doing that stupid clearance really put me off tbh. He's an average player that Van Gaal could well transform into a great cb, but that will take time. The price is what's really putting me off. €20m is already overpaying imo so the prospect of us paying more is ridiculous imo. It's clear Van Gaal wants a project as opposed to the finished project and he's always been that way which is one thing I was slightly worried about when he signed (I thought he was incredible in nearly every other way). I'm not sure it's the wisest of investments considering our current situation. We don't even appear to be interested in Benatia who would undoubtedly improve us more and there's no reason for us not getting him (unlike Hummels where Dortmund simply won't sell).
 
Sally Cinnamon said:
For the people worried about what they saw in the World Cup, he's not a left back he's a centre half.
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The thing is he wasn't bad at the world cup, he was actually very good. He even made the official team of the tournament. I feel like I've somehow stepped into a parallel universe where the world cup went completely differently.
 
So Rojos was a liability in the most hermetic team of the world cup ? And apparently it was only due to Mascherano ?

I've seen him play two years ago and wasn't impressed with his marking but he seems to be totally different, now.
 
Duffy said:
LVG made Vlaar look like a world-beater so I'm sure Rojo will do just fine if he's who Van Gaal has chose.
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True, But it was also done through sacrificing some of the Netherlands attacking football. While our formation is similar, I don't expect we'll be playing the same type of football.

I don't know Rojo enough to pass judgement, though. Did well at the World Cup, but it doesn't tell you enough, especially since we'll probably need him in a different position.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I would still genuinely have Vlaar here to be fair, though I might be in the minority...
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We have a great stopper in Smalling who will become better than Vlaar who's slowly hitting his 30's. As for left footed defenders Rojo already tasted football on the highest stage in quite young age.
 
justboy68 said:
The thing is he wasn't bad at the world cup, he was actually very good. He even made the official team of the tournament. I feel like I've somehow stepped into a parallel universe where the world cup went completely differently.
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Can I just point out I actually thought he had a pretty good tournament too. Was just saying about his position.
 
Shark said:
I have a feeling that the majority of people that aren't impressed by him and disappointed with us signing him are saying so because he isn't a name. I admittedly have not seen much of him besides the WC showings, which as basically nothing to go by when judging a player.
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I don't think it's because he's not a name as the ones complaining about the possible signing are only citing Blind as their preferred option and I wouldn't call him a star by any means.
 
If only we'd been linked to him before the World Cup so people could have actually watched him, instead of just saying they did and thought he was shit.
 
Aporkalypse said:
If only we'd been linked to him before the World Cup so people could have actually watched him, instead of just saying they did and thought he was shit.
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I'd imagine that the vast majority of posters watched him play for Argentina at the World Cup. They did get to the final after all.

Anyway, it would be stupid to assume a few games withing the space of a few weeks (while he was out of position) accurately reflected Rojo's ability. The WC really doesn't tell us much about Rojo either way.
 
Dazzmondo said:
Ya, another poster told me that too. My mistake. That video of him doing that stupid clearance really put me off tbh. He's an average player that Van Gaal could well transform into a great cb, but that will take time. The price is what's really putting me off. €20m is already overpaying imo so the prospect of us paying more is ridiculous imo. It's clear Van Gaal wants a project as opposed to the finished project and he's always been that way which is one thing I was slightly worried about when he signed (I thought he was incredible in nearly every other way). I'm not sure it's the wisest of investments considering our current situation. We don't even appear to be interested in Benatia who would undoubtedly improve us more and there's no reason for us not getting him (unlike Hummels where Dortmund simply won't sell).
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Maybe were in for strootman and Roma wont sell both players to us ?
Van gaals no mug , he must have done his homework . Let's not forget Johnsen , heinze and vidic . All reletavely bargain buys that proved to be successful .
I can live with the rojo signing (if he signs) as long as we address the cm area .
I feel that strootman will be the man the LVG wants but we will have to wait for that to happen .
Nobody's got a clue who were in for which is a change from the moyes era .
We would all like Vidal to come but the strootman / van gaal link seems more likely that that will happen more than Vidal .
We should be looking to pair Vidal with Herrera and replacing carrick with strootman at the end of the season IMO .
 
If he was a top class CB he'd probably have played CB for Argentina at the world cup. Instead it was Demichelis and Garay. You play your best players in their best positions and I doubt he's any better than those 2 are. Thats no shame though they are good CBs.

However, LVG has clearly prioritised finding a left footed option for CB over finding one of the world's best CBs and £16 million buys you about half a Hummels. Its less than we paid for Jones including bonuses for example. So I think we just wanted another CB about the same level as we have, but one thats going to suit playing on the left of 3 CBs.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
Why is Blind even in this discussion? It's not an either/or scenario.

One is a CB, one is a CDM.
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I guess that the linking point is that both 'can' play LB/LWB.

But hey, Rojo makes perfect sense if you ask me. He can fill the CB/LB role and we don't really need Blind because we're signing Vidal.
 
Only seen Rojo at the WC but he impressed me. He'd be ideal on the left side of a back three, which is what LVG seems to prefer for this season, so I don't know why you lot are all complaining.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
£4.5m is what Benfica received because they owned like 40% of the player
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Wrong. Garay globally was a 6 million deal. Benfica recieved 2,4 million euros for their share of Garay. Benfica fans were/still are extremely upset with this deal. This is the communication for the stock exchange:

“A Sport Lisboa e Benfica – Futebol, SAD, em cumprimento do disposto no artigo 248º do Código dos Valores Mobiliários, e em conformidade com o solicitado pela CMVM relativamente à alienação da totalidade dos direitos desportivos e económicos do atleta Ezequiel Marcelo Garay Gonzalez ao FC Zenit pelo montante de € 6.000.000 (seis milhões de euros), vem prestar a seguinte informação complementar ao comunicado de 25 de junho de 2014:



A parcela atribuível à Sport Lisboa e Benfica – Futebol, SAD, representando 40% dos direitos económicos do atleta
Ezequiel Marcelo Garay Gonzalez, ascende a € 2.400.000 (dois milhões e quatrocentos mil euros)”.


You can clearly see the value in the last paragraph, it´s 2.4 millions.
 
Sheldon69 said:
Maybe were in for strootman and Roma wont sell both players to us ?
Van gaals no mug , he must have done his homework . Let's not forget Johnsen , heinze and vidic . All reletavely bargain buys that proved to be successful .
I can live with the rojo signing (if he signs) as long as we address the cm area .
I feel that strootman will be the man the LVG wants but we will have to wait for that to happen .
Nobody's got a clue who were in for which is a change from the moyes era .
We would all like Vidal to come but the strootman / van gaal link seems more likely that that will happen more than Vidal .
We should be looking to pair Vidal with Herrera and replacing carrick with strootman at the end of the season IMO .
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Problem with the strootman signing? if he is not signed this summer, if he returns plays well for roma, there is not a chance we will sign him in January. So targeting strootman we will not get him until next summer, making the signing not very bright targeting a player who is injured
 
A ball playing, left-footed centre back who's capable of covering at left back. Sign him up I'd say
 
JPRouve said:
I see people comparing him with Benatia but you have to remember that Benatia only achieved his potential the last two years at 25 years old. For all we know Rojos could become our brand new Vidic and become a top player.
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Yup. 24 is no age for a defender and everything you hear about him seems to indicate he's on an upward trajectory. He had a good World Cup and it surely wouldn't be too surprising if he matured into a mighty fine player under LvG's tutelage. He'd could easily be our 3rd quality signing under the age of 25 this summer. I, for one, am quite excited by that.
 
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