Marco Verratti

[kouroux]

What did he do, shag your wife?

I happen to hate cnuts, unlike other people it seems. You may be used to them with Ramos being a captain of your team and all

The thing is PSG owners have money to burn & they don't really care about paying more wage. So Verrati's agent just want that new contract every year to earn his cut. PSG earn that strong position in that they have full authority in keeping their players (contract length). In short PSG is the winner of this negotiation war.

Oh but they do in a way when it can risk causing an imbalance with other players asking for more. At some point enough is enough, even if they're rich.

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

Can't blame him for taking a step up in his career. Of course, i would be pissed if i was a fan of psg, but that's the game.

 

[Escobar]

Can't blame him for taking a step up in his career. Of course, i would be pissed if i was a fan of psg, but that's the game.

He just signed a new contract. I find this behavior rather annoying

 

[Scarecrow]

PSG don't owe him anything. I have zero sympathy for him. Honor your commitments like a man.

 

[roonster09]

PSG don't owe him anything. I have zero sympathy for him. Honor your commitments like a man.

Exactly. Why sign extension with bigger wages and cry about leaving. Hopefully PSG takes Barca for a ride with huge fee.

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

He just signed a new contract. I find this behavior rather annoying

Maybe he didn't know Barca would go for him? Footballers sign contracts all the time, shouldn't stop them advancing their careers.

PSG deserves the right compensation though, 100m euros for Verratti is the absolute minimum, Barca better pay up.

 

[ottosec]

PSG should stand their ground. You can't sign a new long term contract then ask to leave the next year.

 

[FCBarca]

He just signed a new contract. I find this behavior rather annoying

I concur, you shouldn't agree to an extension unless you intend to see it out but perhaps PSG's approach in extensions is tied to wage increases and since Verratti is not the highest paid (Arguably the most influential) then it also stands to reason to negotiate for better terms.

Contracts aren't meant to be enslavement, they are always made to be broken but so long as terms are met. In Verratti's case, he's entitled, IMHO, to want out but should be negotiating with the club to get an agreement to exit. If not (Which appears to be the case) then its understandable that they can take measures to pressure the club to consider his wishes. Club also has a right to have the security of a player they contracted but if they want out, you cannot force a player to stay - only force negotiating parties to come to terms that satisfies those contracted.

Even if Barcelona were not involved here, its an interesting case in modern football since PSG has not had a situation like this with their deep pocketed owners. It does appear that it may indeed turn ugly which isn't good for anyone, hopefully cooler heads will prevail

 

[giorno]

I happen to hate cnuts, unlike other people it seems. You may be used to them with Ramos being a captain of your team and all

He's a cnut allright, but he's our cnut . It helps that hr's scored some pretty important goals for us over the years

Your dislike for a football player you probably don't even know and who might act cnutish but to my knowledge hasn't really done anything other than try to get more money from his club seems a bit excessive

I mean, in one of your posts you were advocating for him to be benched for a year for, basically, having the gall to want to go play for a better team

 

[VanGaalEra]

Hope they hold out for at least 100M.

 

[izec]

Hope they sell him, but only to us. Come on Nasser, do the right thing

 

[Escobar]

I concur, you shouldn't agree to an extension unless you intend to see it out but perhaps PSG's approach in extensions is tied to wage increases and since Verratti is not the highest paid (Arguably the most influential) then it also stands to reason to negotiate for better terms.

Contracts aren't meant to be enslavement, they are always made to be broken but so long as terms are met. In Verratti's case, he's entitled, IMHO, to want out but should be negotiating with the club to get an agreement to exit. If not (Which appears to be the case) then its understandable that they can take measures to pressure the club to consider his wishes. Club also has a right to have the security of a player they contracted but if they want out, you cannot force a player to stay - only force negotiating parties to come to terms that satisfies those contracted.

Even if Barcelona were not involved here, its an interesting case in modern football since PSG has not had a situation like this with their deep pocketed owners. It does appear that it may indeed turn ugly which isn't good for anyone, hopefully cooler heads will prevail

Has nothing to do with Barca but with the attitude of the players. I find it questionable to sign a new contract when you know you could be on the way out. The club makes a (heavy) investment, plans long term so of course they dont want to let their key player go. He signed a long term contract so the power is with the club. Yes, no one should be enslaved (but come on, we talk about millionaires here) but I find this behaviour highly annoying and I understand PSG for not letting him go easily.

 

[JPRouve]

I concur, you shouldn't agree to an extension unless you intend to see it out but perhaps PSG's approach in extensions is tied to wage increases and since Verratti is not the highest paid (Arguably the most influential) then it also stands to reason to negotiate for better terms.

Contracts aren't meant to be enslavement, they are always made to be broken but so long as terms are met. In Verratti's case, he's entitled, IMHO, to want out but should be negotiating with the club to get an agreement to exit. If not (Which appears to be the case) then its understandable that they can take measures to pressure the club to consider his wishes. Club also has a right to have the security of a player they contracted but if they want out, you cannot force a player to stay - only force negotiating parties to come to terms that satisfies those contracted.

Even if Barcelona were not involved here, its an interesting case in modern football since PSG has not had a situation like this with their deep pocketed owners. It does appear that it may indeed turn ugly which isn't good for anyone, hopefully cooler heads will prevail

The problem for me is that PSG, treats its players very well, Nasser protects them all the time from everything. Verratti hasn't been the most influential player at PSG because he is complacent and Nasser who apparently likes to be buddy-buddy with the players protected him and others like Aurier, Pastore and Thiago Silva.
It's disappointing to see Verratti periodically act like he does towards PSG because plenty of clubs, Barcelona included would have publicly told him to do one.

 

[FCBarca]

Has nothing to do with Barca but with the attitude of the players. I find it questionable to sign a new contract when you know you could be on the way out. The club makes a (heavy) investment, plans long term so of course they dont want to let their key player go. He signed a long term contract so the power is with the club. Yes, no one should be enslaved (but come on, we talk about millionaires here) but I find this behaviour highly annoying and I understand PSG for not letting him go easily.

Consider a contrasting example - Griezmann. Under contract with a buyout that United were willing to pay, should've been done & dusted. But, the player considered the club & their situation despite contract. Just saying, there are contracts but this is also sport where everyone should be happy & situations can change very quickly. All the Athletic players with the Basque club are very nearly indentured servants who have to effectively sneak out of the club at night despite meeting terms of buyout like Martinez. Even SAF came to an agreement with CR before his move to RM. I think this is the aspect of sport that makes contracts different than in other professions

In Marco's case, perfectly reasonable that the player aspires to take his game to a higher level that he has not yet been able to do at PSG as is the stance of PSG owners. But keeping a player who doesn't want to stay? I don't agree with this, provided the club gets fair value.

 

[FCBarca]

The problem for me is that PSG, treats its players very well, Nasser protects them all the time from everything. Verratti hasn't been the most influential player at PSG because he is complacent and Nasser who apparently likes to be buddy-buddy with the players protected him and others like Aurier, Pastore and Thiago Silva.
It's disappointing to see Verratti periodically act like he does towards PSG because plenty of clubs, Barcelona included would have publicly told him to do one.

I don't disagree - hearing/reading these things about the player concerns me as a prospective addition. I am just pointing out the realities of the modern game in terms of contracts and transfers

I also think the approach by Nasser et al is a double edged sword, you coddle and enrich/entitle footballers then you breed that sort of mentality of mercenaries which apparently worked against Emery at times from what has been rumoured

In the end though, no fan/club should advocate keeping players who do no want to be there irrespective of their contract/wages - get fair market and continue to work on a project whereby players want to stay

 

[JPRouve]

I don't disagree - hearing/reading these things about the player concerns me as a prospective addition. I am just pointing out the realities of the modern game in terms of contracts and transfers

I also think the approach by Nasser et al is a double edged sword, you coddle and enrich/entitle footballers then you breed that sort of mentality of mercenaries which apparently worked against Emery at times from what has been rumoured

In the end though, no fan/club should advocate keeping players who do no want to be there irrespective of their contract/wages - get fair market and continue to work on a project whereby players want to stay

Yeah, at this point PSG should sell him, 120m+Alcacer and then hijack Seri's deal with Roma and purchase N'Zonzi.

 

[giorno]

Has nothing to do with Barca but with the attitude of the players. I find it questionable to sign a new contract when you know you could be on the way out. The club makes a (heavy) investment, plans long term so of course they dont want to let their key player go. He signed a long term contract so the power is with the club. Yes, no one should be enslaved (but come on, we talk about millionaires here) but I find this behaviour highly annoying and I understand PSG for not letting him go easily.

Obviously when a player signs a long term contract with a club like PSG, he doesn't do so thinking about leaving. But things can change quickly. That's just life

The problem for me is that PSG, treats its players very well, Nasser protects them all the time from everything. Verratti hasn't been the most influential player at PSG because he is complacent and Nasser who apparently likes to be buddy-buddy with the players protected him and others like Aurier, Pastore and Thiago Silva.
It's disappointing to see Verratti periodically act like he does towards PSG because plenty of clubs, Barcelona included would have publicly told him to do one.

Probably because they're rich upstarts without a big club's history, they feel the need to act that way in an effort to make themselves a more desirable destination? [also, ok, he's Messi, but Messi's been getting a new contract from barca every time he's wanted one]

 

[FCBarca]

Yeah, at this point PSG should sell him, 120m+Alcacer and then hijack Seri's deal with Roma and purchase N'Zonzi.

Sounds like a plan. Seri would've been the ideal alternative from my perspective for us, as well. Mais fraîchement, suis avec toi - j'aime pas trop cette approche, en principe

 

[JPRouve]

Probably because they're rich upstarts without a big club's history, they feel the need to act that way in an effort to make themselves a more desirable destination? [also, ok, he's Messi, but Messi's been getting a new contract from barca every time he's wanted one]

None of this players have a bigger profile than PSG, it might be a relatively young club but bigger players have played for PSG and I still believe that they were a bigger club in the 80s-90s than they are today, the main reason for that is that they weren't carpets and players respected the club. Nasser is just doing a poor job.

 

[kouroux]

He's a cnut allright, but he's our cnut . It helps that hr's scored some pretty important goals for us over the years

Your dislike for a football player you probably don't even know and who might act cnutish but to my knowledge hasn't really done anything other than try to get more money from his club seems a bit excessive

I mean, in one of your posts you were advocating for him to be benched for a year for, basically, having the gall to want to go play for a better team

I don't need to personally know a player to see if he's a cnut or not because my judgment is 100% based on what they do on the field. Off the field, I couldn't care less about them and I never bother to follow their lives that much.
I dislike him because he hasn't done just that obviously, he's one of the most annoying players to watch, constantly complain to the ref, a bit of a cheat combined with some thuggery here and there. Very good player but a great talent to become the best in the world in his position, just not a player I like is all.
Just as I can easily admit that Ramos is a great player and an incredible leader but I'll never warm to him because of his antics.

 

[Murray3007]

Think every player should have a buy out clause and it stops situation likes this, PSG prob the wrong club to try this with as they have the cash to make him sit in the stands if he kicks up a fuss, if the reports are true about him thinking of going on strike i reckon Fifa should be investigating this and banning the player, he quite happily signed the contract lately so its his own fault, he would have known then if he wanted to try go to the next level not take the money then moan about it because now barca have come calling.

 

[Klopp_De_Klown]

PSG don't owe him anything. I have zero sympathy for him. Honor your commitments like a man.

Nonsense

PSG should stand their ground. You can't sign a new long term contract then ask to leave the next year.

Of course you can.

Nobody can tell me that if it was them, they would do any different. A good footballing career is about 15 years. So you do what you can to play as high a level as you can. AND FRANCE AINT IT. Because all too soon it is over and nobody wants you. As we seen ourselves with Zlatan. There is no compassion in football. Ask James or Morata. Want to play and cant get a game yet the club doesn't want them to leave. Clubs dont care. Why should players?

He has signed a new deal only means he will get a good price. If the club wanted him gone and he didn't want to leave. They'd sit him in the stands/bench tout de suite! But they would still demand top dollar when selling! That contract will only mean the club are well looked after, dont feel too sorry for them.

How many examples do you need of contracts only being current mutual agreements not commitments do you need? Once one side decides the agreement is no longer valid to their needs. Its done.

 

[kouroux]

Think every player should have a buy out clause and it stops situation likes this, PSG prob the wrong club to try this with as they have the cash to make him sit in the stands if he kicks up a fuss, if the reports are true about him thinking of going on strike i reckon Fifa should be investigating this and banning the player, he quite happily signed the contract lately so its his own fault, he would have known then if he wanted to try go to the next level not take the money then moan about it because now barca have come calling.

Certain countries don't implement the buy out clause

 

[Murray3007]

Certain countries don't implement the buy out clause

yeah i understand that but if Fifa made it standard to every contract then everyone would no what price they would need to pay, the player would no that he cant just down tools as he signed the contract with the price in it.

 

[BBRBB]

Yeah, at this point PSG should sell him, 120m+Alcacer and then hijack Seri's deal with Roma and purchase N'Zonzi.

Those recruits would already be underwhelming without having to release Marco. There's no use to having €300m sleeping on a bank account.

 

[JPRouve]

Those recruits would already be underwhelming without having to release Marco. There's no use to having €300m sleeping on a bank account.

They don't have to sleep, you can use it to improve the rest of the team on for example Lafont, Gaya, Bernardeschi and wait for Cyprien.

 

[BBRBB]

They don't have to sleep, you can use it to improve the rest of the team on for example Lafont, Gaya, Bernardeschi and wait for Cyprien.

That's the kind of business we would have to do if Qatar were to leave, but that won't get you anywhere if you let your best players go as soon as they enter their peak.

 

[Escobar]

Obviously when a player signs a long term contract with a club like PSG, he doesn't do so thinking about leaving. But things can change quickly. That's just life


Probably because they're rich upstarts without a big club's history, they feel the need to act that way in an effort to make themselves a more desirable destination? [also, ok, he's Messi, but Messi's been getting a new contract from barca every time he's wanted one]

That's a cheap one. It's not a one sided game where you can take all the benefits and think the other party will do whatever you want. He gladly took the pay rise knowing that he wont retire at PSG but that wouldnt be his problem to care then hence rumors that he's pushing for an exit in an unfriendly manner

 

[Escobar]

Consider a contrasting example - Griezmann. Under contract with a buyout that United were willing to pay, should've been done & dusted. But, the player considered the club & their situation despite contract. Just saying, there are contracts but this is also sport where everyone should be happy & situations can change very quickly. All the Athletic players with the Basque club are very nearly indentured servants who have to effectively sneak out of the club at night despite meeting terms of buyout like Martinez. Even SAF came to an agreement with CR before his move to RM. I think this is the aspect of sport that makes contracts different than in other professions

In Marco's case, perfectly reasonable that the player aspires to take his game to a higher level that he has not yet been able to do at PSG as is the stance of PSG owners. But keeping a player who doesn't want to stay? I don't agree with this, provided the club gets fair value.

Nothing against that. But he knew that for a longer time but signed a new contract recently anyways. So of course PSG is holding on to that. That is the point I'm making. If a United player would behave like that, I'd be pissed off with that as well and would want to stand very firm. Stay (you just signed a nice new contract) or the other club pays an incredibly high fee. But to think just because he aspires higher now so PSG should bend over to Barca, that shouldnt happen

 

[JPRouve]

That's the kind of business we would have to do if Qatar were to leave, but that won't get you anywhere if you let your best players go as soon as they enter their peak.

Who said that you should let them go as soon as they enter their peak though? I'm only talking about this window nothing else.

 

[BBRBB]

Who said that you should let them go as soon as they enter their peak though? I'm only talking about this window nothing else.

That's a very dangerous precedent to set. Be bullied once into selling one of your best young players against your will with 4 years of contract left and you're categorized as a potential feeder club for a while.

Also the level of disrespect displayed by Barca and Di Campli shouldn't be rewarded or the next thing you know everyone will start treating you the same way.

 

[FCBarca]

Nothing against that. But he knew that for a longer time but signed a new contract recently anyways. So of course PSG is holding on to that. That is the point I'm making. If a United player would behave like that, I'd be pissed off with that as well and would want to stand very firm. Stay (you just signed a nice new contract) or the other club pays an incredibly high fee. But to think just because he aspires higher now so PSG should bend over to Barca, that shouldnt happen

I think you're forgetting how quickly the game changes. One season you're on the verge of breaking through as a club, the next you are fighting to become relevant again. I don't think him signing an extension or improved terms last year precludes him or anyone else from changing their mind the following season if circumstances change. I think that's ultimately the point, the game changes quickly and as a club & player, you have to adapt and be at your best at all times. If you falter, even a club will move/dump you if you fail to keep up - same applies for a player wanting a change of club

And I am not suggesting PSG bends over for Barca or anyone else, just that you cannot keep a player against their will - even with a newly improved contract. I think you do the best for your club & fans and keeping a player who doesn't want to be there is not part of it IMO - just ensure you get fair market

 

[JPRouve]

That's a very dangerous precedent to set. Be bullied once into selling one of your best young players against your will with 4 years of contract left and you're categorized as a potential feeder club for a while.

Also the level of disrespect displayed by Barca and Di Campli shouldn't be rewarded or the next thing you know everyone will start treating you the same way.

No, you don't. That nonsense only exists in insecured fans. You want to hear about terrible precedents to set, insist on Thiago Motta because Verratti likes to play with him, re-sign Verratti every time he talks about the club's ambition even though he doesn't have enough personal ambition to improve individually, give Aurier all the leeway he has been given, sign a manager to a big contract just to sack him a month later.

PSG needs to grow up and walk the talk, Verratti is no different to Kroos for Bayern, they are bigger than he is. So move on and act like a club that is bigger than its players.

Edit: PSG under the Quatari should start thinking about themselves instead of thinking about what people think.

 

[Rightnr]

I'd tell Barca to pay 150m or get lost if I was PSG. They can afford to sign a replacement and sideline Verratti. If PSG aspire to get anywhere, they cannot let themselves be bullied into a sale like this.

 

[djdhrubs]

I think you're forgetting how quickly the game changes. One season you're on the verge of breaking through as a club, the next you are fighting to become relevant again. I don't think him signing an extension or improved terms last year precludes him or anyone else from changing their mind the following season if circumstances change. I think that's ultimately the point, the game changes quickly and as a club & player, you have to adapt and be at your best at all times. If you falter, even a club will move/dump you if you fail to keep up - same applies for a player wanting a change of club

And I am not suggesting PSG bends over for Barca or anyone else, just that you cannot keep a player against their will - even with a newly improved contract. I think you do the best for your club & fans and keeping a player who doesn't want to be there is not part of it IMO - just ensure you get fair market

All true, but you also have to accept that if you do sign a new long term contract, you're weakening your own position should you change your mind the following season. He's been a bit dense. PSG can easily force him to stay an extra season as a show of their own strength.

Benching him for a long time would send out a strong message, particularly if he's gonna go on strike etc. In fact, once he's benched for a long time just before World Cup year, you'll probably find he'll get very twitchy himself and then be forced to act in a more professional manner, apologise to his team mates and bow down to the club with his tail between his legs.

 

[Mainoldo]

I'd tell Barca to pay 150m or get lost if I was PSG. They can afford to sign a replacement and sideline Verratti. If PSG aspire to get anywhere, they cannot let themselves be bullied into a sale like this.

Aspire to get where? They are quarter finalist every year In the champions league where else are they looking to go in a league that the biggest players will only go when they are at MLS level. They are not getting no better with or without Verratti. However I would like to see Verratti play against the big boys every week.

 

[djdhrubs]

However I would like to see Verratti play against the big boys every week.

He'd only do that a handful of times per year in Spain anyway.

 

[JPRouve]

All true, but you also have to accept that if you do sign a new long term contract, you're weakening your own position should you change your mind the following season. He's been a bit dense. PSG can easily force him to stay an extra season as a show of their own strength.

Benching him for a long time would send out a strong message, particularly if he's gonna go on strike etc. In fact, once he's benched for a long time just before World Cup year, you'll probably find he'll get very twitchy himself and then be forced to act in a more professional manner, apologise to his team mates and bow down to the club with his tail between his legs.

Yeah, it would send the message "Don't sign for PSG, if you are far from retirement."

 

[Mainoldo]

He'd only do that a handful of times per year in Spain anyway.

lol that's true.

 

[FCBarca]

All true, but you also have to accept that if you do sign a new long term contract, you're weakening your own position should you change your mind the following season. He's been a bit dense. PSG can easily force him to stay an extra season as a show of their own strength.

Agreed which is why in terms of leverage neither the player nor interested club (Barcelona in this case) are in any position to haggle over terms. Doesn't mean they can't try to get the best deal possible but PSG & Nasser hold all the cards

Benching him for a long time would send out a strong message, particularly if he's gonna go on strike etc. In fact, once he's benched for a long time just before World Cup year, you'll probably find he'll get very twitchy himself and then be forced to act in a more professional manner, apologise to his team mates and bow down to the club with his tail between his legs.

Absolutely they could do this without flinching because they have endless finances but you also set a precedent by deterring anyone signing with you going forward. Ultimately, however, I think it's due to this point alone that makes a deal improbable - because PSG doesn't have to sell and doesn't care if the player is happy. Of course, this is a form of hostage taking in sport I was referring to to begin with - I don't think in football, particularly, you can/should hold a player against their will. Get the best deal possible, move on.