Marco Verratti

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JPRouve said:
No, you don't. That nonsense only exists in insecured fans. You want to hear about terrible precedents to set, insist on Thiago Motta because Verratti likes to play with him, re-sign Verratti every time he talks about the club's ambition even though he doesn't have enough personal ambition to improve individually, give Aurier all the leeway he has been given, sign a manager to a big contract just to sack him a month later.

PSG needs to grow up and walk the talk, Verratti is no different to Kroos for Bayern, they are bigger than he is. So move on and act like a club that is bigger than its players.

Edit: PSG under the Quatari should start thinking about themselves instead of thinking about what people think.
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I like your Bayern analogy but it's nothing like the Kroos situation. Kroos contract was running out and Bayern didn't give in to his wage demands.

Verratti is like Lewandowski this year, PSG should communicate similarly. 4 year contract and not intersted in selling, if you're not happy about it get lost.

I agree Verratti should absolutely not be given a raise considering the circumstances.

djdhrubs said:
He'd only do that a handful of times per year in Spain anyway. :)
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And like never in England. :p
 
JPRouve said:
No, you don't. That nonsense only exists in insecured fans. You want to hear about terrible precedents to set, insist on Thiago Motta because Verratti likes to play with him, re-sign Verratti every time he talks about the club's ambition even though he doesn't have enough personal ambition to improve individually, give Aurier all the leeway he has been given, sign a manager to a big contract just to sack him a month later.

PSG needs to grow up and walk the talk, Verratti is no different to Kroos for Bayern, they are bigger than he is. So move on and act like a club that is bigger than its players.

Edit: PSG under the Quatari should start thinking about themselves instead of thinking about what people think.
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What you said might be true but Kroos's situation was different. He had only 1 year left on his contract that's why he was sold. You can also give Ribery's example whom they didn't sell even when he wanted to leave for Madrid, in the end he stayed and gave his best years for Bayern.
 
Its easy to say it now but perhaps he should have thought about this before deciding to sign for PSG. They are very rich and very ambitious, he knew this before signing for them, so it was obvious that if/when he did turn into a top player that it was always going to be very difficult for him to leave.
 
roonster09 said:
What you said might be true but Kroos's situation was different. He had only 1 year left on his contract that's why he was sold. You can also give Ribery's example whom they didn't sell even when he wanted to leave for Madrid, in the end he stayed and gave his best years for Bayern.
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I know that the contract situation are different but the important part for me is that, I don't think PSG are desperate for Verratti, the same way Bayern weren't desperate for Kroos. My opinion would be different for Cavani or Ribery who I believe have always been better models and more important players on the field for PSG and Bayern. Verratti has a huge talent and he can up his game when he wants to like he did against Barcelona several times but most of the time he coasts. In my opinion both parties are better off without each others but PSG are so far Verratti's backside that they can't see it.

For me the equation is simple, Verratti won't be better with PSG and PSG won't be better with this version of Verratti. And there is also the little problem that Rabiot is having the same type of attitude.
 
Footballers must be the most unhappy millionaires in the world. The amount of tolerance their whinging gets is pretty insufferable.
 
JPRouve said:
I know that the contract situation are different but the important part for me is that, I don't think PSG are desperate for Verratti, the same way Bayern weren't desperate for Kroos. My opinion would be different for Cavani or Ribery who I believe have always been better models and more important players on the field for PSG and Bayern. Verratti has a huge talent and he can up his game when he wants to like he did against Barcelona several times but most of the time he coasts. In my opinion both parties are better off without each others but PSG are so far Verratti's backside that they can't see it.

For me the equation is simple, Verratti won't be better with PSG and PSG won't be better with this version of Verratti. And there is also the little problem that Rabiot is having the same type of attitude.
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Fair enough.
 
PSG is not a normal club.

Club owned by the ruling Qatari Family:big egos, capable to waste billions until they win the champions league.

Not to mention the fact that Barcelona has kicked us so many times (maybe fixed draws like the Bayern-arsenal replay?)

Verratti won't leave this summer for sure.
 
BBRBB said:
I like your Bayern analogy but it's nothing like the Kroos situation. Kroos contract was running out and Bayern didn't give in to his wage demands.

Verratti is like Lewandowski this year, PSG should communicate similarly. 4 year contract and not intersted in selling, if you're not happy about it get lost.

I agree Verratti should absolutely not be given a raise considering the circumstances
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They're not robots though. If the player's unhappy, chances are even with all the effort and good faith in the world he's likely to produce below his possibilities. Under such circumstances, the club's own best interest is to get as much money as possible out of him

Talk to barcelona. Best case scenario you ask for €110M, they say it's too much and you can tell Verratti the reason he's not leaving is because barcelona didn't feel he was worth it rather than PSG completely ignoring his wishes

That would help a lot in regard to the player's mindset imho
 
Won't surprise me if Barca are telling him to force PSG's hand so they can sign him for lower than his market value.
 
Adisa said:
Won't surprise me if Barca are telling him to force PSG's hand so they can sign him for lower than his market value.
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He's not in a position to force PSG. It will ultimately come down to whether PSG have the sense to do what's best for them. Of course, they will try to change his mind first, but if they fail, they should start negotiations with the mindset to let the player go for a good enough offer(which in this market means a world record fee or close to it)
 
giorno said:
He's not in a position to force PSG. It will ultimately come down to whether PSG have the sense to do what's best for them. Of course, they will try to change his mind first, but if they fail, they should start negotiations with the mindset to let the player go for a good enough offer(which in this market means a world record fee or close to it)
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Read somewhere that Barca don't want to pay more than €80m. Which is a joke.
Either that or they're trying to force PSG to the negotiating table.
I do agree, if a player is not happy it's best to get rid.
But it's ridiculous a player going on strike less than a year after signing a new contract.
 
Adisa said:
Read somewhere that Barca don't want to pay more than €80m. Which is a joke.
Either that or they're trying to force PSG to the negotiating table.
I do agree, if a player is not happy it's best to get rid.
But it's ridiculous a player going on strike less than a year after signing a new contract.
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He's on holiday, not on strike, and it's highly unlikely that will happen imho. PSG hold all the cards here
 
It's a very interesting situation that'd really come down to how PSG think Verratti will take it if he's refused a move. Usually I'm of the opinion that no good can come of holding a player against his wish but then the Ribery at Bayern example above is a good one. They refused to sell and he buckled down and performed at his best for years. Another player and it could easily go totally tits up.

In any case, if they agree to sell him, it has to be a world record fee for the guy, tell Barca to feck off with their low ball offer which I must admit is how I see this going. I don't see barca spending 100mil odd on him and PSG will be absolutely right to demand that if they agree to sell him.
 
giorno said:
They're not robots though. If the player's unhappy, chances are even with all the effort and good faith in the world he's likely to produce below his possibilities. Under such circumstances, the club's own best interest is to get as much money as possible out of him

Talk to barcelona. Best case scenario you ask for €110M, they say it's too much and you can tell Verratti the reason he's not leaving is because barcelona didn't feel he was worth it rather than PSG completely ignoring his wishes

That would help a lot in regard to the player's mindset imho
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While you have good points there's also a time and place to simply tell the player to feck off and the timing seems perfect. That's what all the non feeder clubs do nowadays, even PL relagation fodder.

We can help with Verratti's mindset by showing him and the other players that sending your agent to talk shit about the institution can only lead to negative outcomes.
 
Possibly my 2 most disliked non-English clubs antagonizing each other.

*pop corn gif*
 
FCBarca said:
I think you're forgetting how quickly the game changes. One season you're on the verge of breaking through as a club, the next you are fighting to become relevant again. I don't think him signing an extension or improved terms last year precludes him or anyone else from changing their mind the following season if circumstances change. I think that's ultimately the point, the game changes quickly and as a club & player, you have to adapt and be at your best at all times. If you falter, even a club will move/dump you if you fail to keep up - same applies for a player wanting a change of club

And I am not suggesting PSG bends over for Barca or anyone else, just that you cannot keep a player against their will - even with a newly improved contract. I think you do the best for your club & fans and keeping a player who doesn't want to be there is not part of it IMO - just ensure you get fair market
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Well, then Barca has to pay a new world record fee if they want him
 
I usually side on the side of player power but, Veratti and his agent have completely played themselves here. PSG hold all the cards here.
 
Adisa said:
Won't surprise me if Barca are telling him to force PSG's hand so they can sign him for lower than his market value.
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Indeed, they tried the same strategy with Thiago Silva in 2013.
 
A player can keep a club against its will. It works both ways
 
BBRBB said:
Nah the accounts have been balanced for a a few years now, spending is stable while income is growing steadily. The reported transfer kitty is €220m. Only some Ronaldo levels of megawages + signing fee could challenge FFP rules.
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Balanced - if you don't lift up the carpet and see that most of the money comes from their owners.

How would a ho hum French club that didn't have a pot to p**s in a few years ago, plying their trade before modest crowds with low gate receipts in a league largely ignored by the rest of the world, have a transfer budget of €220m? Strip out their owner's contribution and that figure is probably close to their legitimate earnings.

The only reason they're in business is that the shining emblems of integrity who run the game choose not to inquire into their finances.
 
BBRBB said:
While you have good points there's also a time and place to simply tell the player to feck off and the timing seems perfect. That's what all the non feeder clubs do nowadays, even PL relagation fodder.
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Nobody does that. It's always just a matter of price

We can help with Verratti's mindset by showing him and the other players that sending your agent to talk shit about the institution can only lead to negative outcomes.
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Yeah, no, you'd be keeping an unhappy player, getting ~70-80% of his potential if you're lucky, while devaluing him, and sending the message that the club will not care about player's wishes, something that might have a negative impact on their ability to sign star players/prospects

Keeping him against his will is an option if 1) the potential buyer doesn't want to pay up and --> 2) the player tries to force the transfer through unprofessional behaviour(such as not showing up for training. Agents can and will say whatever they want, it doesn't matter at all. It's only what the player does that matter)

Otherwise, it's just stupid and counterproductive
 
Varun said:
It's a very interesting situation that'd really come down to how PSG think Verratti will take it if he's refused a move. Usually I'm of the opinion that no good can come of holding a player against his wish but then the Ribery at Bayern example above is a good one. They refused to sell and he buckled down and performed at his best for years. Another player and it could easily go totally tits up.
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Bayern convinced him to stay actually. They successfully managed to get him fully committed to them and happy again. It wasn't a case of player performing despite being unhappy at the situation
 
Will Absolute said:
Balanced - if you don't lift up the carpet and see that most of the money comes from their owners.

How would a ho hum French club that didn't have a pot to p**s in a few years ago, plying their trade before modest crowds with low gate receipts in a league largely ignored by the rest of the world, have a transfer budget of €220m? Strip out their owner's contribution and that figure is probably close to their legitimate earnings.

The only reason they're in business is that the shining emblems of integrity who run the game choose not to inquire into their finances.
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PSG's shareholders ask owners of local companies/organizations to sponsor the club. Perfectly legal and compliant with the UEFA rules from a legal point of view.

A shareholder is free to waste his money and convince his friends/family to put their names on papers.

However, there are diverse sponsors that have nothing to with Qatar like Ericsson, Engie...
 
Ecstatic said:
PSG's shareholders ask owners of local companies/organizations to sponsor the club. Perfectly legal and compliant with the UEFA rules from a legal point of view.

A shareholder is free to waste his money and convince his friends/family to put their names on papers.

However, there are diverse sponsors that have nothing to with Qatar like Ericsson, Engie...
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If such huge sums of money can be collected by such methods, why don't clubs elsewhere, who don't happen to be owned by Arab billionaires, do the same thing? Lots of clubs, with modest football incomes, could transform their finances overnight, and wield €200m transfer budgets then.
 
Will Absolute said:
If such huge sums of money can be collected by such methods, why don't clubs elsewhere, who don't happen to be owned by Arab billionaires, do the same thing? .
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There is a massive difference between a normal shareholder and a shareholder from the Middle-East.

A normal shareholder (like in Monaco) doesn't like to waste money/overpay and tries to realize capital gains when possible.

Just an example, PSG sacked Laurent Blanc (who won 3 trophies and lost a QF of the champions league against City) and spent 22 millions of euros to do that.

If you prefer, PSG is a state-owned club so a comparable club would be City. PSG is the toy of the ruling family of a tiny country that earns more than 60 billions of euros thanks to the gas business.

Also, almost any major company or football club doesn't care about 'ethical considerations'.

Will Absolute said:
Lots of clubs, with modest football incomes, could transform their finances overnight, and wield €200m transfer budgets then.
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:confused: What are the names of the modest clubs capable to raise 200 millions of euros?
 
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giorno said:
Bayern convinced him to stay actually. They successfully managed to get him fully committed to them and happy again. It wasn't a case of player performing despite being unhappy at the situation
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Yes, that's what I'm saying. Even though he wanted to go, they refused the move and then made him happy to stay which got then his best years. Another situation and you'd have the guy sulk for a year, play like shit and then move next year.
 
Varun said:
Yes, that's what I'm saying. Even though he wanted to go, they refused the move and then made him happy to stay which got then his best years. Another situation and you'd have the guy sulk for a year, play like shit and then move next year.
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I have always thought he would move in 2018.

Verratti and his agent aren't stupid: they know he will be blocked this season but try to ensure an agreement in principle for next year IMO
 
Damn wish he would show a little interest in moving elsewhere so we can get in the conversation. Just wants to move to Barca the cnut.
 

Saying that every year PSG promise to make a great team and we see the results, only promises are not enough

Well he is calling his teammates shit now, also rejected 12 million euros per year deal. Basically doing a rooney but more Public. What a bad attitude to have, good luck getting in that dressing room again.
 
This has the potential to end very badly for Verratti. For his sake, I hope he's taken concrete assurances from Barca that they're willing to pay up because no matter how much of a fuss he kicks up, PSG will demand top dollar if they agree to sell and I have the suspicion that Barca will back off once they see PSG holding out for a world record fee. He'll be right in the shit then.

Just as I write that out, I realise it would be hilarious tbf, so feck the hope for him part, I hope that's how it pans out. :devil:
 
They kept hold of Aurier even after he put half his team on blast. This is nothing
 

So buy new players and i will stay. How great a teammate will he be.
 
Would laugh hard if he left and PSG win the CL that first year without him.
 
giorno said:
Bayern convinced him to stay actually. They successfully managed to get him fully committed to them and happy again. It wasn't a case of player performing despite being unhappy at the situation
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It might also have had something to do with Ribéry sleeping with a 17 year old prostitute and Real stepping away from a transfer out of fear he might go to prison.
Afterwards he actually got happy at the club. But that was because we quickly became one of the best teams in the world.
 
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