He'd get even more attacks from the British media. The guy needs to grow a thicker skin.
Marco Verratti
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Just Commedia dell'arte IMO
No, it's Lavezzi but he appreciates Zlatan a lot.
A Verratti-Pogba midfield would have the potential to be the best midfield in football history.
Many of you will mock that and react with green smileys, but when you're done with the overreactions and actually think about it you'll find that it's quite close to the truth.
Unfortunately will probably never happen though, let alone at our esteemed and beloved club.
Many of you will mock that and react with green smileys, but when you're done with the overreactions and actually think about it you'll find that it's quite close to the truth.
Unfortunately will probably never happen though, let alone at our esteemed and beloved club.
He joined PSG in 2012. Zlatan, Lavezzi left the club. Thiago Motta could retire at the end of this season.
I think he will leave the club in 2018 unless we win the ECL in 2017 so that he could leave the club next summer
24 years next week.
I think he will leave the club in 2018 unless we win the ECL in 2017 so that he could leave the club next summer
24 years next week.
Nah.
No chance will we get him. Does he not have injury troubles anyway?
On FIFA maybe.
Pirlo's replacement.
Just no.
It could work, but not as a two-man midfield, as others have mentioned before. In a defensive sense, neither Pogba nor Verratti are reliable enough and it will need a holding midfielder to compensate for this.
Verratti Herrera Pogba as a trio can win CL. That would be an awesome midfield combo.
He's the dream
I'd take him at Real Madrid xD
No, it really wouldn't have. Isn't it about time that people (Utd fans specially) realize that adding up big names doesn't mean anything?
It wouldn't even be the best in the last 10 years, let alone ever lol. I'll just mention these three and leave it at that, Xavi-Iniesta-Busquests.
None of them have won it before and Pogba played in a better midfield.
Talk about learning to run before you can walk. You're not even in the competition, mate.
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Why not?
No. Verratti is actually disappointing on FIFA.
Just why not?
Veratti holds and plays extremely well as a holding midfielder. I think it's his best position and his performances aren't as good when he has to play with Motta or Krychowiak slightly behind him. Both of them aren't specialist tacklers although they're more than good enough in that sense.
Why not?
Do you really think that's all I did? Why didn't I just add up random big midfield names like Vidal-Modric and Busquets-Kroos and say that about them, then?
Or are you saying that because of our experience over the last 3 years, 'big names' will never again work at this club, ever? Just give up and stop trying?
I simply rate both Pogba and Verratti extremely highly individually and also, more importantly, believe that their styles are perfectly complimentary in a way that's rarely seen in football. A little like Ferdinand-Vidic.
That's a legendary midfield trio. But what if you could have all the functions and results of what that midfield did, coming from only two players instead of three? I'm not saying the two I mentioned are better than those three nor that they will be, I'm just saying that I see no obstacle for the potential of a Pogba-Verratti midfield not to reach the level that trio reached.
There are a lot of obstacles, for one Barcelona had (have) a legendary player in Messi in front of them to play to, they had other greats like Eto'o/Henry/Puyol/Alves and therefore were able to maximise their status not only in Barcelona but for the national team as well with Ramos/Casillas/Villa/ect.
There is no way in hell that Pogba and Veratti would be able to recreate the success those three had regardless of potential, not having a go at Man Utd, just being realistic. This isn't FM lol
Pogba and Verratti have still got to prove it all. They both have been in superior teams relatively speaking to their leagues, they both have incredible talents but they both still have to learn so much. Rating them individually is one thing but all I'm saying is that it doesn't mean it would work well in reality. Individually they still haven't come close to any of the Barca trio mentionned, let alone them working well together.
Pogba didn't win it because they came up against a quality Barca side. In a few years that side wouldn't be as strong once Messi wanes and Iniesta retires.
If United got that as a midfield it would be strongest midfield on paper for me as the balance would be amazing.
Yes none of them have won it but the potential of that midfield trio would definitely be of that level where it should be challenging for CL honours. Of course rest of the team would have to be up to scratch but that midfield and Jose managing the side .. You wouldn't back against it.
All hypothetical as like you said a) Verratti coming to United is no chance as we are a poorly run club b) we can't even get to CL football.
Verratti has such a influence on a midfield he can turn them into CL contenders. Whenever I see PSG they have the potential to go toe to toe with the big teams but choke due to crap finishing (Zlatan/Cavani). Verratti has shone against Barca for example so no reason why alongside Hererra and a Pogba approaching his own peak wouldn't be best midfield in the world potential.
I'm not talking about team success like trophies, nor am I talking about the players surrounding them. Of course that Barca team is one of the best ever, no-one would compare that to Man Utd and that's not even what I'm close to doing. I never compared whole teams.
I simply am talking about their abilities together in a midfield and their performance levels. You could have the Barca trio with Emile Heskey up front and Titus Bramble at centre-back and you could still see that midfield function at a world-class level as a unit.
I completely agree. Which is why I emphasized on the word potential. Never said anything about the here and now.
Success is indicative of performance. Can't be the best midfield ever if you win nothing lol
That's true to some extent, but it's not totally.
I would argue that if you had the Barcia trio playing to their full abilities as a cohesive midfield unit at Sunderland, that they would be able to win a league title or a couple of domestic cups, but by the same token, if that's all they won and I watched them play at that level for 10 years, I reckon I would still call them the best midfield in history.
It depends on a lot of factors you don't look at the bigger picture, firstly just because Leicester City won the league title no one is calling any of their players some of the best ever in the EPL, let alone the world, most people understand that the EPL is simply in a rut atm and the big clubs not performing to most European expectations/standards.
Secondly success at Sunderland is different to success at Man Utd and I would probably disagree with you again on a number of factors. If that midfield played for Sunderland I doubt they would have much success at all. Xavi was a late bloomer and mostly his success parallels Messi's rise, as do Barcelona's golden era.
Some more examples to follow:
No one talks about Sevilla having the best players ever or in recent history and they have won 5 major European trophies in the last 10 years, no one talks about Valencia in the same way and they dominated La Liga in the early 2000's and had back to back UCL finals. We can even go as far as Ajax of the 90's who don't receive the recognition they deserve most of the time.
Give it up, no matter what argument you try and make or how you try to change he parameters, Pogba and Veratti will never be the "best midfield in football history", nor do they have the potential to be so.
Such a poor quote Raees, we are one of if not thee highest earners in football yet we are a poorly run club? Is that why we have been so successful over the last 25 years? Ok we have struggled the last 3 on the pitch but we have hired the most decorated managers around and gave him bucket loads to fix this. Poorly run? Not buying it.
Keane and Scholes, Xavi and Iniesta, Essien and Makelele/Lampard, Gattuso and Pirlo, even arguably Schweinsteiger and Kroos/Martinez/Alaba at one time...Conte and Zidane, Makelele and Zidane maybe.
That's just in the last 20 years or so. I'm sure if you go back to when Brazil had the likes of Socrates and Zico there must be many great partnerships in consideration as well.
That's just in the last 20 years or so. I'm sure if you go back to when Brazil had the likes of Socrates and Zico there must be many great partnerships in consideration as well.
It doesn't matter really. Pogba and Verratti are not in the same league as Xavi and Iniesta and won't reach him based on what I've seen from them. And that's just in the last couple of years, let alone historically.
If we talk about meshing them together it's another question mark whether it will work. Verratti as it stands is couple of levels below Xavi while being the best in his age group, while the same is valid for Pogba compared to Iniesta. Neither of them is good as Modric/Vidal at their peak so in order to be "best in history" they need to be the best in the world for their generation first.
Both positions.
thanks. I am a huge fan but I havn't watched him closely. My perception is that he is a CM. Brilliant in tight space, great passing, hardly ever loses the ball, good workrate, but he is not a DLP/DM. He is better with somebody next to him.
Some people here suggest that he could play in a Carrick/alonso/DLP-like role, but I don't think that this is his best position; at least not when the team plays with just one dm/#6.
Any thoughts on this?
He would be the perfect Carrick replacement and the dream signing but it's never happening. Psg will never let him leave and I'm sure he deigned a new contract last season.
Has he ever played as a 6? There's always seems to be a DM next to him.Both positions.
Come on bud, commercially we're a fantastically run club but on the footballing side of things we are the worst elite run club in Europe over the past 5 years.
Imagine seeing David Moyes at Bayern/Barca/Bayern.
From being CL contenders, we can't even get into the CL spots or play a cohesive brand of football. It has been nothing short of a joke.
This season is important in showing teams we are a well run stable club, with an attractive manager at the helm.. if we can't get top 4 and the football is of a poor quality, we aren't going to attract guys like Verratti.
He's the complete package really. He'd make for an outstanding DLP if any team wanted to use him like that and he has way more energy and grit than your average DLP. It would be a bit pointless to use him as a dedicated DLP considering how he manages to be the teams playmaker and do his defensive duties excellently all from a regular central midfield role. Usually a player will be used in that role if they are specialists in terms of their passing range and lack the legs and lungs to use that from a box to box role.
He did and he is very good in that position. Verratti for some reason doesn't like the last third but he likes a "good" tackle and he is very good at covering.
Sorry what's a DLP?
Deeplying playmaker. Player like Carrick, Alonso or Pirlo.
My point is, that it would be fairly mental to use him in this position and I don’t see him as Carrick replacement at all.
It would be mental to use him in a role that he plays and plays well?
I see. I think he can develop his attacking game later on, he's still young and pretty versatile so he can improve on couple of positions in midfield.
Xavi - Iniesta - Busquets (+ Alonso)
Rijkaard - Davids - Seedorf - Litmanen
Falcao - Cerezo - Zico - Socrates
L. Fernandez - Tigana - Platini - Giresse
Pirlo - Seedorf - Gattuso - Kaka
Deschamps - Vieira - Zidane
Neeskens - van Hanegem - Jansen (and you can count Cruyff, I guess)
I don't think that either of them have the potential to equal Platini or Zico or even Zidane/Xavi/Rijkaard. And they had ridiculously potent suppliers in the likes of Iniesta, Falcao, Tigana, Vieira
They'd do tremendously well if they'll achieve Keane - Scholes level and I don't think that Verratti has the potential to top Scholes. Pogba has the physical and technical attributes to top Keane's level someday but I don't think that he will top his overall contribution as he simply doesn't have his mentality (or anything close to it)