Marco Verratti
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He can do it, he has all the tools already but he is just not comfortable, he likes to control the game from deep and tackle. Ancelotti and Blanc asked him to be more involved and Verratti explained that it wasn't natural for him, he understands why they want that but it's just not him.
You are a man of taste.
What is that midfield that Germany had during the early 80s? I watch them during the summer and was really impressed.
That whole post is meaningless because you misunderstood me. I didn't say they would become the best midfielders ever simply based on winning a league title at Sunderland. I said that they can be considered the best ever based on their individual performance level as a midfield unit that might actually not even lead to titles. I'm saying that they don't need to achieve success by way of trophies as much as Iniesta-Busquets-Xavi did in order to be considered the best ever.
You seem to think I'm saying something that is the opposite of what I'm trying to convey. I am supporting the idea that a player or two players can be considered the best ever in their positions even if they didn't win as many trophies as Barcelona did in that period. Which seems to be the benchmark you've set on the label "best ever".
So basically, we both agree that they aren't as good now.
You think they can never be as good, even if circumstances were perfectly suitable for it to happen and even if they developed to their absolute full potential. I think they can.
Whether they do or don't is another question.
Fair enough. I think I simply rate both of them higher than many do, and it isn't the most convenient time to make that statement since both aren't going through their best periods of form. However, I still stick by the opinion.
lolwhat?
I think you need to reread your posts lmao
You said they have the potential to be the best ever midfield in football history, I said no, they aren't even in the same team atm and the chances they ever will be are ridiculously small. So no we don't agree lol
I think Verratti can reach Modric level and if all is good for him possibly Scholes level. I don't see him being close to Xavi tho, neither Pogba is to Iniesta, or Neeskens or a whole pletheura of all time midfielders. Even at the same age Xavi who is a late bloomer was better than Verratti is at the moment.
And that's comparing them individually. Whether they both will compliment and fit in the same midfield is another matter.
I think you are overrating them a bit, as good as they are. I don't see Verratti leaving PSG in the next couple of seasons as well.
He has played some games as a #6 but he prefers to play as a #8.
He used to play with Thiago Motta but with Italy he is now their #6.
He is pretty versatile so he can be considered as a defensive midfielder like Busquets or a central midfielder like Xavi but the latter is more mobile & better offensively.
2016 is a dark season for Verratti (injured most of the season so that he wasn't available to play the games against Chelsea, City or at the Euro 2016).
Modric & Xavi are better offensively. Contrary to a player like Pogba, Verratti is a safe bet who enables a team to control the game.
I truly believe Verratti would be part of the starting 11 of any team in Europe including Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern, Juve...
http://www.espnfc.com/story/2755918/psg-star-marco-verratti-perfect-for-barcelona-xavi
@Downcast Thanks but that's from the 90s, I had in mind the midfield with Dremmler, Kaltz, Briegel and Breitner.
This one?
The one against France.
-------------Schumacher
----Forster---Stielike---Forster
--------------Dremmler
-----Kaltz-----------------Briegel
---------------Breitner
Littbarski-----------------Magath
----------------Fischer
@JPRouve
I've put Germany 82 but you did want Germany 84.
I understand Forster was all over the pitch
I've put Germany 82 but you did want Germany 84.
I understand Forster was all over the pitch
@JPRouve
I've put Germany 82 but you did want Germany 84.
I understand Forster was all over the pitch
I needed Breitner in the mix.I think Veratti can equal Xavi, on an individual level i haven't seen a midfielder as good, that includes Xavi Modric or anyone else, the best is as good imo. Circumstances can make careers, if Veratti had moved to Barcelona instead of making the move to PSG, Veratti even in this current Barca midfield would be hailed as a superstar, the fact he is playing away from all the hoopla of one of the big leagues and in a team that wouldn't be suited to him as Barca hurts his profile, on a pure talent level though, if were talking about how good he is, he should already have a stack of honours befitting of the incredible player he is, if he had play for one of the two Spanish giants he would have.
I would say Veratti is about equal to Modric, and has been for a couple years, the difference is Modric simply plays in a better team, with better more impactful players in a better league with a higher profile, see Verattis performance anytime he has come across Barcelona and the likes to get a better picture of just how efortless and easy it would be if he was playing for one of the big Spanish two.
Thats one of my pet peeves of this generation, players don't get the plaudits they deserve till they move to Madrid or Barcelona really, even if it is evident to most that they have enough talent to shine at these places, see Modric or Suarez for a better example.
Can't agree with you on him capable of equalling Xavi, I don't think that he'll turn out as good as Pirlo did and he is easily a level below Xavi. Verratti does have a bit of aggression that Pirlo lacked though.
But you're missing the point. 3 (arguably 4) of that midfields were based around superstars who make top-10 of all-time (with Zidane's place being in question), plus Xavi, Rijkaard and Falcao being the best ever in their respective roles (Neeskens and Iniesta are also worth a shout).
It's highly questionable that Verratti and Pogba can rival even the second tier (Xavi/Rijkaard/Falcao) and ridiculous to assume that they'll have the same influence and stature in the game as Zico or Platini, who were all parts of historically great midfields.
Verratti is still 23 years old so it's too early to say he won't become a GOAT from an historical perspective.
Now, Xavi is more complete and better offensively.
I know Modric is not a top-10 of all times but, at the same age, he was still playing for Dinamo Zagreb.
Who are now the top 10 players under 25? If you make a team, you would have Verratti with Neymar, Griezmann, Dybala, Pogba, Marquinhos, Alaba...
@Righteous Steps
I agree with you: he might be underrated by some because he plays in the French League And I'm sure most French fans consider him as a more reliable player than Pogba.
Now, Xavi is more complete and better offensively.
I know Modric is not a top-10 of all times but, at the same age, he was still playing for Dinamo Zagreb.
Who are now the top 10 players under 25? If you make a team, you would have Verratti with Neymar, Griezmann, Dybala, Pogba, Marquinhos, Alaba...
@Righteous Steps
I agree with you: he might be underrated by some because he plays in the French League
And I'm sure most French fans consider him as a more reliable player than Pogba.Pogba wouldn't be in my first team, the midfield three would be Saul, Weigl and Verratti.
I'm not a fan of Pogba but in terms of 'track record', he would do it.
Yeah Weigl
Well balance is a lot more important than track record.
To me he's not there yet (Modric). Verratti is top 5 midfielders in the world right now so it's not like he isn't close to him, but Modric is still better.
Verratti can reach him (and probably will) but he still has to keep his development and keep himself off injuries, but he's not there yet in the attacking phase.
He's still young tho so he can improve and probably even surpass some of the names mentioned, but based on his ability so far and what I've seen of Modric I'd take the latter.
Well balance is a lot more important than track record.
Rabiot is still 21 years and is taking a new dimension this season!
He will become the boss of the France midfield in the coming months IMO
And you should know Unai Emery already considers him as a better player than Matuidi!
Aye, haven't watched more of the Italian national team lately and missing the EURO didn't help.
Yeah he seems more Xavi/Modric type than a pure DM or holding midfielder.
Why wouldn't he? He's shown more than Saul or Weigl ever have.
He didn't show more than them and with Neymar, Griezmann and Dybala, I prefer the balance of a midfield made of Saul, Verratti and Weigl.
He's tad slow tho. I know him being a prospect from very young age. Not sure if he's dynamic enough tho, but I'll take your word for itRabiot is still 21 years and is taking a new dimension this season!
He will become the boss of the France midfield in the coming months IMO
And you should know Unai Emery already considers him as a better player than Matuidi!
He's tad slow tho. I know him being a prospect from very young age. Not sure if he's dynamic enough tho, but I'll take your word for it
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He's the PSG midfielder with the highest playing time this season.
You're right to say he has a 'nonchalant style' and you're not the only one to think so. His pace is good unlike Motta who is very slow.
He just needs to be more aggressive and the new coach has a strong faith in him: for example, Rabiot played the 'French Classico' against Marseille and Matuidi was on the bench.
Matuidi is much more generous but Rabiot has better passing skills and there's a lot of room for progression.
I know he scored an unfortunate own goal tonight, but he's played very well every time i've watched him this season. If our policy is now to target world class players, regardless of price, he's go to be on the list to replace Carrick. PSG may not need the money, but i can see him itching for a move to a bigger league. A combination of Pogba and Verratti is what it'll take for us to match up to the likes of Real and Barca.
The guy is class.
First time I've really observed him closely. Looks like he has a similar passing range as Carrick.
Class player.
Amazing player.
Sadly he's unobtainable in the same way that Ronaldo, Neymar, Messi and Bale are.
A Pogba-Herrera-Veratti midfield would have solved our midfield issues for years to come.
Sadly he's unobtainable in the same way that Ronaldo, Neymar, Messi and Bale are.
A Pogba-Herrera-Veratti midfield would have solved our midfield issues for years to come.
I think he even tries more passes to his forward than Carrick does. Carrick can do it too but at times it's as if he doesn't exploit his passing ability to its potential. He's a great talent, just needs to adress the arguing with the ref bit.
I don't think he is, simply by virtue of playing in a weak league. PSG might not want to sell, but he might want to go. In 2009 Ronaldo was 'unobtainable' - 3 league titles in a row with us, and 2 CL finals, ahead of Real in every department. Woodward is the one guy who could pull this off, if Jose asks him, and I really hope he does.
He is not going anywhere. PSG would give him a new contract every week if he asked for it.
Unless the PSG owners completely change their outlook on how they run the club there's no chance of him coming here.
When he has a couple of years left on his contract then he might move on but I just don't see why he'd swap the money in Paris for the money in Manchester, its hard to see him wanting a move to Real or Barca.
When he has a couple of years left on his contract then he might move on but I just don't see why he'd swap the money in Paris for the money in Manchester, its hard to see him wanting a move to Real or Barca.
He reminds me of Scholes in terms of being so classy on the ball and yet also having that little dirty streak as well.
I would hope we still give it a go though.
Unless we find some sort of gem to just come in and do the job.
Unless we find some sort of gem to just come in and do the job.
He will go to Barca or City and become Xavi 2.0 playing Spanish style of football.
What a truly great player.
I'd say the only chance we have is if his contract runs out (in 2020). PSG are resistant to pretty much any kind of bid.