Marco Verratti

I'm not the best person to ask about rating modern midfielders as my criteria appears to be too harsh when it comes to the supposed successors for the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Schweinstieger, Vidal and the like. Time provides the grand reveal, so we'll see who emerges from the current crop.


Kind of my point is that he is already massively appreciated to the point where he's seen as indisputably one of the best midfielders on the planet already and rated at an exorbitant price, even if the monied up PSG owners weren't such a prohibitive hurdle.

I think you should look up my posts about Verratti. Even as I bumped this I said I rate him highly. I just find it interesting how he is not scrutinised like other players he's rated against.


Why don't you want to offer us your rating of the best current central midfielders?

Of course, you are free to think he is 'overrated'** ;)


** Term that has to be mentioned in any thread
 
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mad how peoples opinions can change after 1 game, the home game he was majestic and was one of the best players on the park, still think hes better suited to playing a cm role rather then the dmc role. remember the game when PSG went down to 10 men v chelsea and he dominated there midfield as well. if he was availble for transfer i would bet every top team would be in for him.
 
Ridiculous to write him off after one game.. in all their big games, he is usually the one who comes to the fore and you'd hardly hold him single-handedly responsible for what happened against Barca.

It was a freak result and lets not forget, being in that PSG bubble is never going to stretch him and push him on to that next level in my opinion. That doesn't mean you don't sign a guy of his class.. he is one of the best midfield talents in the world and a guy who can make such a big impact on the game. I wouldn't class him as a luxury player at all.
 
@Fortitude is having a shocker here. Verratti played at a great level under the big pressure multiple times in his career, despite his relatively young age. One underwhelming game and you're discounting him as one of the best talents/players around? Seriously, did he performed at a level this low before in big games?

What about Messi in the first game? Yes, he is usually brilliant, like Verratti, but for a supposedly greatest player alive he was quite poor in Paris, we should write him off.
 
I was amazed at the huge difference in Rabiot's game from first match to second. Just couldn't cope with the pressing. Verratti was nothing like as bad.
 
No he isn't, football particularly at that level is a collective game. You don't take the midfield back against Barcelona with one player, you don't do it against Madrid or Bayern either. Verratti is the most important cog in the machinery but he isn't the machinery.
I wish more people here would see it this way.
 
@Fortitude is having a shocker here. Verratti played at a great level under the big pressure multiple times in his career, despite his relatively young age. One underwhelming game and you're discounting him as one of the best talents/players around? Seriously, did he performed at a level this low before in big games?

What about Messi in the first game? Yes, he is usually brilliant, like Verratti, but for a supposedly greatest player alive he was quite poor in Paris, we should write him off.
There's a problem with extremes in this forum. Me commenting on the fact he goes under the radar for performances like yesterday is not discounting him. It's an objective comment about an extremely highly rated player. There's too much lazy thinking and sweeping under the rug where things don't get discussed. Would I have Verratti at United? Of course. Is he a great player? He's very good.

And unlike Messi, whose performance was taken apart, questioned, scrutinised and analysed thoroughly, Verratti's was not. So it's ironic to then use him as the example.
 
My take on that type of players is they aren't game changers.

I'm fact you could probably count on one hand the amount of deep lying playmakers that regularly decide games.

Pirlo has the ability to do it as did Scholes. Xavi plays higher up the pitch than Verrati who is more comparable to Busquets in my opinion.

They need runners and workers around them in order to thrive and yesterday he had neither so couldn't perform.

What I'm trying to say is they are luxury players really. They are the players you only see at top teams who dominate games usually as they are good with the ball and dictating play but put them in a team that has hardly and possession and are chasing the ball all game and they will struggle to have much of an impact.
Rubbish. Look at Ronaldo struggle miserably against Barcelona and Spain repeatedly before he improved his record, throwing hissy fits in frustration to see that even forwards (and top ones too) struggle without support/brilliance around them. Just like Xavi would struggle of you surround him with crouch and benteke, Ronaldo would struggle if instead of Modric and co he had Scott Parker setting up chances for him. I'm deliberately using extreme examples but the point is one people often forget.
 
I was amazed at the huge difference in Rabiot's game from first match to second. Just couldn't cope with the pressing. Verratti was nothing like as bad.
Rabiot isn't rated as anything. Verratti is a £70m+ player. There should always be a massive discrepancy between the two.
 
There's a problem with extremes in this forum. Me commenting on the fact he goes under the radar for performances like yesterday is not discounting him. It's an objective comment about an extremely highly rated player. There's too much lazy thinking and sweeping under the rug where things don't get discussed. Would I have Verratti at United? Of course. Is he a great player? He's very good.

And unlike Messi, whose performance was taken apart, questioned, scrutinised and analysed thoroughly, Verratti's was not. So it's ironic to then use him as the example.
No one is questioning that he played badly, but he isn't connected to United or significant enough (like Messi, who is already one of the greatest ever) to justify the discussion on this forum after this performance.
 
Why don't you want to offer us your rating of the best current central midfielders?

Of course, you are free to think he is 'overrated'** ;)


** Term that has to be mentioned in any thread
Because it's a futile exercise. The youngsters are just finding their feet and the older ones are either retiring or on the way down. There isn't much in the middle to discuss.

Each and every player should be judged on the rough and the smooth.
 
No one is questioning that he played badly, but he isn't connected to United or significant enough (like Messi, who is already one of the greatest ever) to justify the discussion on this forum after this performance.
There's a thread for him, which would be overabundant with praise had he done well. He's one of the premier midfielders in the world and the most coveted of all; there's no reason why it shouldn't be discussed. It just points to him not being under anything like the scrutiny others face.
 
There's a problem with extremes in this forum. Me commenting on the fact he goes under the radar for performances like yesterday is not discounting him. It's an objective comment about an extremely highly rated player. There's too much lazy thinking and sweeping under the rug where things don't get discussed. Would I have Verratti at United? Of course. Is he a great player? He's very good.

And unlike Messi, whose performance was taken apart, questioned, scrutinised and analysed thoroughly, Verratti's was not. So it's ironic to then use him as the example.

And I told you why. People don't care dearly about Verratti, they rate or don't rate him like for 99% of players. It's different with Messi, he has a cult following him and when he farts people feel the need to tell us what fragrances they smelled.
 
It was Marco's first ever really bad performance for us, people get carried away. Even in 2015 in Barcelona he was very good while the rest of the team was equally shit as this year.

His second worst performance in a big game for us was probably in 2014 at Stamford Bridge where he was still quite good.
 
Is Verratti the only French league player that doesn't have the ol' "Its only the French league..." cliche attached to him?

Not that I agree or believe in that nonsense but even the great Ibrahimovic had his doubters. I still laugh just thinking about that.
 
Well, I wonder if PSG fans are made about his earlier summer statements like we were with Rooney now that they got Neymar?
 
Well, I wonder if PSG fans are made about his earlier summer statements like we were with Rooney now that they got Neymar?
Although he didn't ever personally say anything wrong about the club, his agent doing all the agitation the fans were quite mad about him.

The situation was perfectly handled: Verratti distancing himself from his agent and repeating his commitment with the club on the first day of training then firing him soon after was the only way to keep the plausible deniability.

I would say most fans forgave him but didn't forget.
 
Well, I wonder if PSG fans are made about his earlier summer statements like we were with Rooney now that they got Neymar?

Football fans are known to have short memories. If he is excellent, he will be forgiven.

Moreover, PSG fans are aware we are not in a position to find an equivalent: he is our best midfielder. We can't throw him out.

By contrast, a player like Ben Arfa is blacklisted and hated for different reasons.
 
Football fans are known to have short memories. If he is excellent, he will be forgiven.

Moreover, PSG fans are aware we are not in a position to find an equivalent: he is our best midfielder. We can't throw him out.

By contrast, a player like Ben Arfa is blacklisted and hated for different reasons.

Can't answer all, but it's good to hear from a fan. He should have a helluva season this year. Thanks