I've never heard of this bum, 70m euros way too much. Move on.
Manuel Ugarte | Romano - he’s signed | Awaiting Club announcement
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Did you share this great scout report with the MU board as well?
I've emailed the club, no response yet!
You should have used the fax. Although it's still stuck after the DDG to Madrid saga...
Mainoo is far from a passer.
Xavi probably dictated play more than any player has.
I completely agree but there are far more midfielders who looked good young and did nothing.
When you splash the cash on Yoro it’s going to make headlines and cause every club to inflate their asking prices too!
United need to get flogging some more squad players to raise some cash.
United need to get flogging some more squad players to raise some cash.
But it would be Ugarte or Neves though. The club only wants a CDM and people are discussing Ugarte or the alternative and you put them both in the same line up.
This is just patently untrue. Real Madrid averaged 59.2% possession per game last season in Spain. Only Barcelona managed more.
For comparison, we averaged 50.6% - tied with Fulham - and lower than 8 other teams in the Premier League.
The idea that a "top team" can be a "top team" without averaging a lot more of the ball than their opponents is just not correct.
People say we’re a graveyard for talent but PSG haven’t exactly improved anyone they’ve bought either. Not sure why they think their players are worth those fees
70 million 
How about we value Sancho the same and call it an even swap.
How about we value Sancho the same and call it an even swap.
We lost how much on Di Maria in the same scenario, £16 million?
They must think Woody is still in-charge.
Around that yes.
If they're really stubborn over that valuation then why not look elsewhere in the league and go for Fofana at less than half P$G's valuation for Ugarte?
In a sense they are not entirely dissimilar issues as MU : Overpaid for some talent, gave out massive wages, renewed players unwisely (Kurzawa was the most surprised to get a 4 year extension with PSG level wages...), signed older players that didn't deliver, have a bunch of deadwood laying around. They fixed some of that starting last season (they bought younger and more coherently with squad needs) but I think they play hardball to partly correct their image as a cash cow. That and NAK certainly has an insecure streak with appearing weak (see Mbappé feud, Verratti being unceremoniously shipped for ransom in a Gulf club).
Ugarte value on their books for a transfer should be at 48m€ (40m£) for FFP. I'd go no higher than that (excluding add-ons). Unless they're really interested in Sancho and a two-way transfer means there's only 20m€ or so being paid in total.
They've been hurt maybe Mbappe left for free and they're trying to earn some crazy money for Simons and Ugarte. Just walk away they can keep both even they want them out. It'll hurt them even more. Zubimendi, Fofana or another player to bring in. Delighted we can switch options and stop overpay ffs.
He could make world class passes, but was not a “world class passer” IMO. If he had been that, he’d have been a lot more useful for us.
While we’re on Carrick, I remember that BBC commentator, Darren Fletcher, often used to say he didn’t rate Carrick: What an absolute plonker. - I would love to have someone like Carrick playing for us now.
Ahh understood. Yeah agree
He was a world class passer, just go back and watch any standard United/France game from those years or look at his passing stats off FBref.
The issue with Pogba was always that he was misprofiled as some box to box or DM type player when he never was that. Doesn't matter, this thread is about Ugarte
Seems like that's what club's trying to do atm, looking at Fofana and Zubimendi. But still hope we get Ugarte and same for de Ligt and negotations with Bayern.
Yeah we desperately need sales for signings
There some players who are special talents you stretch your budget for. Ugarte does not appear to be such a player. Especially given who the selling club is, we need to stay firm on our own evaluation of the player's worth, even if it means taking this one right down to the wire on the transfer deadline day.
Yeah I was just thinking that myself but we don't seem to be looking for that profile of midfielder
Who are the Benfica supporters on here, or the really knowledgeable posters of Portuguese football? Curious to know whether they think Florentino Luis is better, seems similar in terms of defensive output (maybe better there, certainly in the air)? Has been linked recently with Everton and Villa, last year he was linked to both City and Barca.
I think Benfica value him at 35m euros.
I think Benfica value him at 35m euros.
I would be absolutely staggered if INEOS would ever entertain letting this stretch out until deadline. Could easily see them switching to Fofana if they aren't prepared to reach compromise
If they are holding out for €70m then stick a fork in this one. Its done. On to the next target.
Yea I feel this weakness in our midfield will continue.
Describe what you mean by a "passer" when you say Kobbie is not folks. Do you mean a high volume passer?
Yeah I'm not seeing the issue. Mainoo looks like a normal, proper centre midfielder to me and is obviously a silky, gifted playmaker who's strength is progressing the play. He is not primarily in need of a passer next to him and using him alongside two deeper midfielders and tasking him with playing between the lines does him no favours.
Ramsdale is available for 30 mil ...
€70m is laughable considering they want to get rid of him. A straight swap for Sancho would be a fair deal.
Happy that we are being patient here. Loving the lack of panic in our dealings recently.
He could certainly be a high volume passer if that is the team he was in. He could do that today in the right setup.
What he is not is an expansive passer, a player who consistently passes through lines or one who strikes long passes particularly well.
Mainoo is brilliant and could develop some of those amongst a number of other skills. None of this is a knock on him, it's just that he is a different type of player who currently has a different skillset.
Having a player who follows the game well and helps beat the press by following the play in the middle well and being an additional option, has the talent of knowing what pass to play before they even get the ball, beating the press by passing through the lines and having a talent for expansive passing to help us change momentum when struggling to break teams down is vital for the hideous way Ten Hag sets up a midfield.
Eriksen did a few of those things in his first season. He isn't upto it anymore.
I don't know how or if they separate that stat from fouls won. He is generally fine with the ball at feet and quite clever in drawing fouls if it's not looking good. There's absolutely no way he gets dispossessed that often.
I felt relaxed after last week's deals, however a bit more anxious this week with lack of sales movement
TBF god bless you but you are the biggest transfer Muppet on the forum. We will make another 2 signings at least I pinky promise.
The idea that Mainoo is not a player capable of passing through the lines goes against reality but I'm seeing it in so many post I'm starting to wonder if people are talking about the same player.
When I watch Kobbie, I see a player who actually wants to pass through the lines more than anything. However delivering those passes constantly depends a lot more on your teammates' positioning that your ability. Him dribbling often tends to be a result of lacking passing options. We haven't seen him deliver long cross-field switches of play, but that is not harder to do than passing accurately with the right weight under pressure, things he has constantly shown.
In a set up with Bruno, we mainly need a person to cover the space in midfield. Getting another player in there more intersted in passing and creating will simply shift that physical responibility to Mainoo, and not only is he not that kind of player but that is likely to burn him out faster than anything else.
When I watch Kobbie, I see a player who actually wants to pass through the lines more than anything. However delivering those passes constantly depends a lot more on your teammates' positioning that your ability. Him dribbling often tends to be a result of lacking passing options. We haven't seen him deliver long cross-field switches of play, but that is not harder to do than passing accurately with the right weight under pressure, things he has constantly shown.
In a set up with Bruno, we mainly need a person to cover the space in midfield. Getting another player in there more intersted in passing and creating will simply shift that physical responibility to Mainoo, and not only is he not that kind of player but that is likely to burn him out faster than anything else.
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