Mainoo doesn't create as much Bruno creates, and we will be back to 5 years ago (LVG) when we had a lot of possession and no chance creation. Maybe is time to change to 4222? No more wingers? Let's Garnacho play on top with Hojlund.
Manuel Ugarte | Romano - he’s signed | Awaiting Club announcement
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PSG want more money for Ugarte than they paid for him last year, while wanting to get rid of him. Pricks.
THey clearly do not understand how pricing when selling players that they do not want work.
That's fine. Have our Sancho for EUR70M too, please?
Yes he was but I'm talking more in the sense of how he preferred to progress the ball. He didn't like being deployed deep because he lacked the positional discipline. He was at his best when played further forward where he could carry the ball and taking on opposition players.
That's why I mentioned in terms of ball progression profile. Not as an overall player.
I've never heard of this bum, 70m euros way too much. Move on.
Did you share this great scout report with the MU board as well?
I've emailed the club, no response yet!
You should have used the fax. Although it's still stuck after the DDG to Madrid saga...
Mainoo is far from a passer.
Xavi probably dictated play more than any player has.
I completely agree but there are far more midfielders who looked good young and did nothing.
When you splash the cash on Yoro it’s going to make headlines and cause every club to inflate their asking prices too!
United need to get flogging some more squad players to raise some cash.
United need to get flogging some more squad players to raise some cash.
But it would be Ugarte or Neves though. The club only wants a CDM and people are discussing Ugarte or the alternative and you put them both in the same line up.
This is just patently untrue. Real Madrid averaged 59.2% possession per game last season in Spain. Only Barcelona managed more.
For comparison, we averaged 50.6% - tied with Fulham - and lower than 8 other teams in the Premier League.
The idea that a "top team" can be a "top team" without averaging a lot more of the ball than their opponents is just not correct.
People say we’re a graveyard for talent but PSG haven’t exactly improved anyone they’ve bought either. Not sure why they think their players are worth those fees
70 million 
How about we value Sancho the same and call it an even swap.
How about we value Sancho the same and call it an even swap.
We lost how much on Di Maria in the same scenario, £16 million?
They must think Woody is still in-charge.
Around that yes.
If they're really stubborn over that valuation then why not look elsewhere in the league and go for Fofana at less than half P$G's valuation for Ugarte?
In a sense they are not entirely dissimilar issues as MU : Overpaid for some talent, gave out massive wages, renewed players unwisely (Kurzawa was the most surprised to get a 4 year extension with PSG level wages...), signed older players that didn't deliver, have a bunch of deadwood laying around. They fixed some of that starting last season (they bought younger and more coherently with squad needs) but I think they play hardball to partly correct their image as a cash cow. That and NAK certainly has an insecure streak with appearing weak (see Mbappé feud, Verratti being unceremoniously shipped for ransom in a Gulf club).
Ugarte value on their books for a transfer should be at 48m€ (40m£) for FFP. I'd go no higher than that (excluding add-ons). Unless they're really interested in Sancho and a two-way transfer means there's only 20m€ or so being paid in total.
They've been hurt maybe Mbappe left for free and they're trying to earn some crazy money for Simons and Ugarte. Just walk away they can keep both even they want them out. It'll hurt them even more. Zubimendi, Fofana or another player to bring in. Delighted we can switch options and stop overpay ffs.
He could make world class passes, but was not a “world class passer” IMO. If he had been that, he’d have been a lot more useful for us.
While we’re on Carrick, I remember that BBC commentator, Darren Fletcher, often used to say he didn’t rate Carrick: What an absolute plonker. - I would love to have someone like Carrick playing for us now.
Ahh understood. Yeah agree
He was a world class passer, just go back and watch any standard United/France game from those years or look at his passing stats off FBref.
The issue with Pogba was always that he was misprofiled as some box to box or DM type player when he never was that. Doesn't matter, this thread is about Ugarte
Seems like that's what club's trying to do atm, looking at Fofana and Zubimendi. But still hope we get Ugarte and same for de Ligt and negotations with Bayern.
Yeah we desperately need sales for signings
There some players who are special talents you stretch your budget for. Ugarte does not appear to be such a player. Especially given who the selling club is, we need to stay firm on our own evaluation of the player's worth, even if it means taking this one right down to the wire on the transfer deadline day.
Yeah I was just thinking that myself but we don't seem to be looking for that profile of midfielder
Who are the Benfica supporters on here, or the really knowledgeable posters of Portuguese football? Curious to know whether they think Florentino Luis is better, seems similar in terms of defensive output (maybe better there, certainly in the air)? Has been linked recently with Everton and Villa, last year he was linked to both City and Barca.
I think Benfica value him at 35m euros.
I think Benfica value him at 35m euros.
I would be absolutely staggered if INEOS would ever entertain letting this stretch out until deadline. Could easily see them switching to Fofana if they aren't prepared to reach compromise
If they are holding out for €70m then stick a fork in this one. Its done. On to the next target.
Yea I feel this weakness in our midfield will continue.
Describe what you mean by a "passer" when you say Kobbie is not folks. Do you mean a high volume passer?
Yeah I'm not seeing the issue. Mainoo looks like a normal, proper centre midfielder to me and is obviously a silky, gifted playmaker who's strength is progressing the play. He is not primarily in need of a passer next to him and using him alongside two deeper midfielders and tasking him with playing between the lines does him no favours.
Ramsdale is available for 30 mil ...
€70m is laughable considering they want to get rid of him. A straight swap for Sancho would be a fair deal.
Happy that we are being patient here. Loving the lack of panic in our dealings recently.
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