Manuel Ugarte | Romano - he’s signed | Awaiting Club announcement

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I remember Schneiderlin had amazing defensive stats(tackles+interceptions) when he joined. I hope its not a similar case, but shouldnt be because he mainly failed because he didnt fit LVG's style of play.

Then again there are reports ETH didnt want Ugarte...which is shocking because he fits the high pressing style ETH wants, and he definitely doesnt fit a possession style of play.

At least this fella has played at the top level for big teams across different leagues. Seems a bit of a meanie meanie thing to compare him to Schneiderlin. Who genuinely I forget even existed until he's randomly brought up every so often.
 
I remember Schneiderlin had amazing defensive stats(tackles+interceptions) when he joined. I hope its not a similar case, but shouldnt be because he mainly failed because he didnt fit LVG's style of play.

Then again there are reports ETH didnt want Ugarte...which is shocking because he fits the high pressing style ETH wants, and he definitely doesnt fit a possession style of play.

Not reports, a tweet from BS merchants on X, called Muppetriers or something like that.
 
I remember Schneiderlin had amazing defensive stats(tackles+interceptions) when he joined. I hope its not a similar case, but shouldnt be because he mainly failed because he didnt fit LVG's style of play.

Then again there are reports ETH didnt want Ugarte...which is shocking because he fits the high pressing style ETH wants, and he definitely doesnt fit a possession style of play.

Could you share them please? I haven’t seen them
From what I gather it's basically gossip, like Muppetiers.
If so, I feel sorry for people who believe it.
 
Seems like a lot of people here have been watching PSG and Sporting matches in the last two seasons. Unpaid scouts as far as the eye can see.
when you’re as good at watching football as me, you will always spend time watching registrars plying their trades in the top 5 leagues. that will mean watching the likes of psg and sporting. not for their flair players, nor to see any goals, but to study how they transition. what block mode they are set in. quantifying the number of pivots they are using. what triggers their press. you know, normal football things.
 
I am a bit worried that our team gets worse in the air for every signing ETH makes. We have sold McT, will bench Maguire and Case, and if we start with Yoro and Martinez, we might become PL’s weakest team in the air.
Maybe already discussed here, but how is Ugarte in the air?
 
I am a bit worried that our team gets worse in the air for every signing ETH makes. We have sold McT, will bench Maguire and Case, and if we start with Yoro and Martinez, we might become PL’s weakest team in the air.
Maybe already discussed here, but how is Ugarte in the air?

As long as we approve on the deck.
 
I am a bit worried that our team gets worse in the air for every signing ETH makes. We have sold McT, will bench Maguire and Case, and if we start with Yoro and Martinez, we might become PL’s weakest team in the air.
Maybe already discussed here, but how is Ugarte in the air?
But he bought De Ligt who is good in the air, Mazraoui who is actually also good in the air and Zirkzee who is bloody massive.
 
I am a bit worried that our team gets worse in the air for every signing ETH makes. We have sold McT, will bench Maguire and Case, and if we start with Yoro and Martinez, we might become PL’s weakest team in the air.
Maybe already discussed here, but how is Ugarte in the air?
I think we already are.:rolleyes::) Zero threat in corner kicks since Fellaini left. And it wasn't a strenght even that time. No idea how we can be this weak in the air.
 
Jesus, he hasn’t even signed and you’re already thinking of moving him on.
You could dissect this from my posts, if you suffer from limited reading comprehension.
Again I ask do you not know how contracts work? In a hypothetical scenario he could sign for £50k a week but when we will sell him in 2 years if the signing club is only willing to pay £20k for him and we want to get rid of him then we have to do a payoff. Payoffs dont happen only in the case of inflated wages.
There's a big difference between your 50k a week example, and an overinflated 250k a week, do you not understand how numbers work?

I'll repeat again, I'm intrested to find out his wages, to see if lessons have been learnt.
I'm hopeful they have been.

Your patronising about contracts completely miss the mark, of what was a simple point.
 
I'm not overly optimistic about this signing. I hope he is a big asset for us but from the little ive seen I am not hugely impressed.
 
At least this fella has played at the top level for big teams across different leagues. Seems a bit of a meanie meanie thing to compare him to Schneiderlin. Who genuinely I forget even existed until he's randomly brought up every so often.
At the time we bought Schneiderlin, there was almost unanimous excitement though. People thought our midfield with him and Schweinsteiger was gonna be absolutely amazing. He had great stats in Southampton, that's a signing that probably would have worked out under a different manager.
 
when you’re as good at watching football as me, you will always spend time watching registrars plying their trades in the top 5 leagues. that will mean watching the likes of psg and sporting. not for their flair players, nor to see any goals, but to study how they transition. what block mode they are set in. quantifying the number of pivots they are using. what triggers their press. you know, normal football things.
For me, it’s more about the authenticity of the fan experience. Who threw a plastic pint glass of piss at who. Which club’s fan punched which horse. The nuts and bolts of the game.
 
when you’re as good at watching football as me, you will always spend time watching registrars plying their trades in the top 5 leagues. that will mean watching the likes of psg and sporting. not for their flair players, nor to see any goals, but to study how they transition. what block mode they are set in. quantifying the number of pivots they are using. what triggers their press. you know, normal football things.
How can I be like you?
 
For me, it’s more about the authenticity of the fan experience. Who threw a plastic pint glass of piss at who. Which club’s fan punched which horse. The nuts and bolts of the game.
i still find time for that sort of thing. like at half time, i’ll make sure i piss all over the floor in the toilet, and leave my empty pint glass on the cistern. i’ll go for a cheeky fag on the stairs, before microwaving a pie for 8 minutes and burning my mouth.
How can I be like you?
it’s easy. just pretend you know more about football than anyone else. the less you’ve played the game at any decent level, the better. or just forget everything from the times you did play.
 
Absolutely spot on.

I get sick to death of reading nonsense like 'double pivots...false number 9s...false number 6....High press....inverted this and that'...we've literally been crying out for ten years that we need a midfielder with bite, to plug the holes and win the ball back. We've now got one and all people can do is start with the stats like armchair Fergies, to try and find a weakness.

I honestly think some people in their heads want every player we buy to secretly be a 'Messi' deep down.

This guy has been brought in for one reason and one reason only, to be a royal pain in the arse to opposition attacks. That's it.
He's there to disrupt...he's not there to find a Beckham-like, cross-field, 60yrd pass.
He's there to break up play...he's not there to dribble around 8 players like Pele.
He's there to stop an attack forming from the edge of their penalty box from our corners....hes not there to score a worldie 30yrd header like Ibrahimovic.
He's there to physically put off the oppositions creative playmaker in front of our defenders...he's not there to donut as many players as he can and lob the keeper from the halfway line.

He's there to run, disrupt, push, bundle, tackle, slide in, win the ball, quickly pass it off. I'll say it again, run, disrupt, push, bundle, tackle, slide in, win the ball, quickly pass it off...get it?

He's a pitbull, he's Declan Rice on crack.
The other stuff is all these inane Americanisms and terms out of football manager and video games. Experts in management and tactics, strategy and systems of play, while their pressie boxes are still lying all around the floor. I prefer the muppets
 
Very differently:

- Ugarte can never play for the Italian national team while Gattuso has never played for Uruguay
- Ugarte has never played in Scotland or Switzerland and Gattuso has never played in France
- Ugarte is almost exactly half of Gattuso's age
- Ugarte is taller than Gattuso by a couple of inches
- Ugarte has never played alongside Pirlo
- Ugarte has never managed a professional football team
- Ugarte is clean shaven unlike Gattuso who usually displays facial hair growth

The fact that Gattuso played in Scotland always boggles my brain for some reason.
 
The fact that Gattuso played in Scotland always boggles my brain for some reason.
Same. I think of him as part of that Milan team with Pirlo, Seedorf & Kaka which outclassed one of Fergie's best teams in the CL

How was that same person running around against Dundee at one point
 
Delighted with this. For fun I started a thread on the transfer window back in early July. I think 4/5 signings went through, including this guy. Hopefully he puts more backbone in our midfield. Glad to see most fans being patient around results etc. Obviously the patient will require some rehab after this first phase of open heart surgery. Good luck to him. Welcome to the theatre of dreams and the land of bad name puns in songs, Ugarte!!
 
Bunch of weirdos in this thread.

We’ve been crying out for a ball winning midfielder for ages that will allow our more creative midfielders to push forward in confidence without leaving our defence exposed. Even if he supposedly does have passing limitations; which some of you who have barely seen him play are sudden experts on (based on YouTube videos and absolute dickheads on Twitter who are fecking clueless about real football).

And before you start defending yourselves with stupid stats that you’ve ripped off from some website, just don’t. feck off with that garbage. I don’t need arbitrary non-contextual stats thrown my way to promote your narratives and agendas. I have eyes and actually watch the game. I’ll reserve my judgment until after watching him play a full game, not some watered down biased YouTube compilation from some 14 year old “content creator”.
I sort of agree with what you've said but because you've said it the way you've said it all I have to say is; oh shut the feck up will ya.
 
Same. I think of him as part of that Milan team with Pirlo, Seedorf & Kaka which outclassed one of Fergie's best teams in the CL

How was that same person running around against Dundee at one point
Plenty of quality players played for the Old Firm sides at one stage or another. The likes of Gascoigne, B. Laudrup, Van Bronckhorst, Arteta, Larsson, Di Canio, Van Dijk, etc. (And Dundee themselves had Claudio Caniggia at one point!)

The biggest difference with Gattuso is that the others were recognised as top quality all the time, whereas when Dick Advocaat arrived at Rangers he didn't rate Gattuso and even played him at right back before selling him to a smaller Italian side. Huge error in judgement.
 
His success ultimately depends on the system.In a normal system with positionally disciplined midfielders who play close to each other, he can be more than excellent. But in this our suicide kamikaze system, I have no clue how he will turn out.
 
Bunch of weirdos in this thread.

We’ve been crying out for a ball winning midfielder for ages that will allow our more creative midfielders to push forward in confidence without leaving our defence exposed. Even if he supposedly does have passing limitations; which some of you who have barely seen him play are sudden experts on (based on YouTube videos and absolute dickheads on Twitter who are fecking clueless about real football).

And before you start defending yourselves with stupid stats that you’ve ripped off from some website, just don’t. feck off with that garbage. I don’t need arbitrary non-contextual stats thrown my way to promote your narratives and agendas. I have eyes and actually watch the game. I’ll reserve my judgment until after watching him play a full game, not some watered down biased YouTube compilation from some 14 year old “content creator”.

Aye. But he can't do a double-pirouette after he wins the ball back. So put that in your pipe and blow it.
 
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