Manuel Ugarte | Romano - he’s signed | Awaiting Club announcement

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So many red flags in all the videos I’ve watched about him. Signing a player with major limitations on the ball just seems like such a backwards step. Especially when we’re slowly starting to get rid of those kind of players or at least replace them in the starting XI. The lack of technique in the squad compared to the likes of City & Liverpool has been an issue for years. We just don’t have enough players they are comfortable on the ball.

Just being able to win the ball back (no matter how good you are at it) just isn’t enough at the top level anymore. You don’t just need to be comfortable on the ball, you have to be good on it. That’s the level we need to get to. The fact that PSG have been actively trying to get rid after just 12 months, despite all his impressive defensive numbers last season, should set real alarm bells ringing.

I hope he comes in and absolutely smashes it and forms an incredible partnership with Kobee, but of all our summer signings, he’s the one I’m most worried about.
 
Caf reactions right after a herewego:

-so many red flags
-paid too much
-bad lyrics
-obsessed with planes all of a sudden
 
Bunch of weirdos in this thread.

We’ve been crying out for a ball winning midfielder for ages that will allow our more creative midfielders to push forward in confidence without leaving our defence exposed. Even if he supposedly does have passing limitations; which some of you who have barely seen him play are sudden experts on (based on YouTube videos and absolute dickheads on Twitter who are fecking clueless about real football).

And before you start defending yourselves with stupid stats that you’ve ripped off from some website, just don’t. feck off with that garbage. I don’t need arbitrary non-contextual stats thrown my way to promote your narratives and agendas. I have eyes and actually watch the game. I’ll reserve my judgment until after watching him play a full game, not some watered down biased YouTube compilation from some 14 year old “content creator”.
 
lex talionis said:
How does Ugarte compare to Gattuso?
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Very differently:

- Ugarte can never play for the Italian national team while Gattuso has never played for Uruguay
- Ugarte has never played in Scotland or Switzerland and Gattuso has never played in France
- Ugarte is almost exactly half of Gattuso's age
- Ugarte is taller than Gattuso by a couple of inches
- Ugarte has never played alongside Pirlo
- Ugarte has never managed a professional football team
- Ugarte is clean shaven unlike Gattuso who usually displays facial hair growth
 
Leethal said:
Bunch of weirdos in this thread.

We’ve been crying out for a ball winning midfielder for ages that will allow our more creative midfielders to push forward in confidence without leaving our defence exposed. Even if he supposedly does have passing limitations; which some of you who have barely seen him play are sudden experts on (based on YouTube videos and absolute dickheads on Twitter who are fecking clueless about real football).

And before you start defending yourselves with stupid stats that you’ve ripped off from some website, just don’t. feck off with that garbage. I don’t need arbitrary non-contextual stats thrown my way to promote your narratives and agendas. I have eyes and actually watch the game. I’ll reserve my judgment until after watching him play a full game, not some watered down biased YouTube compilation from some 14 year old “content creator”.
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Kudos good sir, wish I could upvote this.

The amount of confidence with which people have been going on about his deficiencies and declarations on how he'll turn out, by many who admit to never watching him too, has been amazing to see.

We've cried out for years for his exact profile as a midfielder yet once we zero in on one of the more productive ones at the position around Europe at a great age as well, it's not nearly good enough and we automatically require an entirely different skillset instead.
 
Malone_Post said:
So many red flags in all the videos I’ve watched about him. Signing a player with major limitations on the ball just seems like such a backwards step. Especially when we’re slowly starting to get rid of those kind of players or at least replace them in the starting XI. The lack of technique in the squad compared to the likes of City & Liverpool has been an issue for years. We just don’t have enough players they are comfortable on the ball.

Just being able to win the ball back (no matter how good you are at it) just isn’t enough at the top level anymore. You don’t just need to be comfortable on the ball, you have to be good on it. That’s the level we need to get to. The fact that PSG have been actively trying to get rid after just 12 months, despite all his impressive defensive numbers last season, should set real alarm bells ringing.

I hope he comes in and absolutely smashes it and forms an incredible partnership with Kobee, but of all our summer signings, he’s the one I’m most worried about.
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I think the big midfield signing will come next summer. He's not perfect. He has potential and he's very young. I think he's an upgrade on McTominay for very little outlay. His signing is pretty much 20m give or take with McTominay's sale. I really hope he's better than what we have for when we are out of possession. United aren't that bad with the ball in the last couple games, it's when we are defending.

Ugarte should hopefully do solid for this season and if he adapts quickly, it will be a good signing.

In reply to bolded comment. 100% agree! The level we need to get to. This signing might improve upping to a better level. We have to accept how far behind we are. I really do think the big midfield signing is going to be the priority next summer.

Hopefully he does come in and smashes it. There shouldn't be too much worry in the sense that he is an upgrade.
 
Garnacho Libre said:
I think the big midfield signing will come next summer. He's not perfect. He has potential and he's very young. I think he's an upgrade on McTominay for very little outlay. His signing is pretty much 20m give or take with McTominay's sale. I really hope he's better than what we have for when we are out of possession. United aren't that bad with the ball in the last couple games, it's when we are defending.

Ugarte should hopefully do solid for this season and if he adapts quickly, it will be a good signing.

In reply to bolded comment. 100% agree! The level we need to get to. This signing might improve upping to a better level. We have to accept how far behind we are. I really do think the big midfield signing is going to be the priority next summer.

Hopefully he does come in and smashes it. There shouldn't be too much worry in the sense that he is an upgrade.
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Do you reckon the big signing will be more of a number 8 or someone who is more of a DLP
 
sglowrider said:
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That’s my worry about him as well. To alleviate it, I think it may make sense in the build up phase to hage Ugarte drop into defence and Martinez step out or have Mainoo as the focal point to start moves from deeper in midfield. Espefially away from home we definitely don’t want panicky performances where we keep losing it easily which is already an issue with our team.

Or maybe these fears are just being exaggerated
 
croadyman said:
Do you reckon the big signing will be more of a number 8 or someone who is more of a DLP
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I think a number 8. I think Fofano is the type of player that is needed. He just signed for AC Milan, though. We need backup for Bruno. Not everyone agrees but I think United struggle a lot more when he's not playing. Back up and dept is needed in that position.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
That’s my worry about him as well. To alleviate it, I think it may make sense in the build up phase to hage Ugarte drop into defence and Martinez step out or have Mainoo as the focal point to start moves from deeper in midfield. Espefially away from home we definitely don’t want panicky performances where we keep losing it easily which is already an issue with our team.

Or maybe these fears are just being exaggerated
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There are videos highlighting his good points and ones highlighting his bad points so taking no notice
 
Garnacho Libre said:
I think a number 8. I think Fofano is the type of player that is needed. He just signed for AC Milan, though. We need backup for Bruno. Not everyone agrees but I think United struggle a lot more when he's not playing. Back up and dept is needed in that position.
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We need a playmaking CM much more than a box to box one.
 
So many people here seem to be hyper focused on Ugarte’s limitations on the ball. But Ten Hag’s successful Ajax teams of the past have had players of a similar ilk (Alvarez, Schone) - so the whole notion that you need a defensive midfielder with elite technical ability in Ten Hag’s system is false.

I am pretty excited to see Ugarte’s impact on the team as a whole - I really feel his presence will have a big positive impact on Kobbie, Bruno and subsequently the front 3.
 
sglowrider said:
Oh well...since you were triggered, you missed out on his analysis of what Ugarte has been poor at whilst at PSG -- and what ETH needs to work on/develop or have a structure to compensate. In addition to what his strengths are. Then what your expectations ought to be in the near term.
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I don't particularly care for his time at PSG as he was a square peg in a round hole for what Enrique wants to do. I saw enough of him at Sporting to understand what his strengths and weaknesses were to believe him to be a good signing then.

If you see how we set up with Casemiro last season as the deepest and just swapped him out for Ugarte, it would already be an upgrade. I think If you played them together, it would be great too - although that shifts your problem further up the field as to who you play, but still.

The idea that he'd be a bad signing for Liverpool is just ridiculous, they're currently playing Gravenberch/Endo and wasting MacAllisters strengths having to play him deeper.
 
SaboTaj said:
So many people here seem to be hyper focused on Ugarte’s limitations on the ball. But Ten Hag’s successful Ajax teams of the past have had players of a similar ilk (Alvarez, Schone) - so the whole notion that you need a defensive midfielder with elite technical ability in Ten Hag’s system is false.

I am pretty excited to see Ugarte’s impact on the team as a whole - I really feel his presence will have a big positive impact on Kobbie, Bruno and subsequently the front 3.
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Exactly. Provided he can pass it to full backs who can progress the ball, or a CB, or even the odd progressive pass himself, he just needs to do his ultimate job of recycling possession quickly and winning the ball back. The rest of the team is set up to go forward at every opportunity, we need one player who's not.
 
Leethal said:
Bunch of weirdos in this thread.

We’ve been crying out for a ball winning midfielder for ages that will allow our more creative midfielders to push forward in confidence without leaving our defence exposed. Even if he supposedly does have passing limitations; which some of you who have barely seen him play are sudden experts on (based on YouTube videos and absolute dickheads on Twitter who are fecking clueless about real football).

And before you start defending yourselves with stupid stats that you’ve ripped off from some website, just don’t. feck off with that garbage. I don’t need arbitrary non-contextual stats thrown my way to promote your narratives and agendas. I have eyes and actually watch the game. I’ll reserve my judgment until after watching him play a full game, not some watered down biased YouTube compilation from some 14 year old “content creator”.
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Standard behaviour on here. Unless the CM is a "high volume progressive passer who can play penetrative passes then", they aren't happy.

We've been crying out for the type of player Ugarte is for a long while. Adding grit, determination and a toughness to our midfield that's it's sorely lacked.

But cause he can't pass the ball like toni Kross, or dictate play like Rodri he ain't good enough.
 
Blood Mage said:
The big question will be is he a square peg in a round hole (a number 8 that we're bringing in to play as a number 6) but his quality as a footballer isn't in question. Statistically in the top 2% of ball winning midfielders.
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I think he's the perfect round peg in a round hole in this current midfield. He'll do alot of work rate, a lot of tackling and will allow Bruno and Mainoo to shine. His legwork might even provide mileage for Casemiro and Eriksen just as Cleverley did with an ancient Scholes and Giggs.

My only concern is that Ugarte is extremely specialized in what he does. We're not talking of a player with a huge skillset like Keane, Scholes Carrick or Mainoo here who can transform and adapt to play in a different role. Therefore if United sign a player or changes their style of play then we'll have a similar situation to what happened to him at PSG. That's not uncommon with United either. AWB, Maguire and Lindelof struggled to adapt in a high line while Pogba's career at United was doomed the moment Bruno stepped in.
 
Lash said:
Exactly. Provided he can pass it to full backs who can progress the ball, or a CB, or even the odd progressive pass himself, he just needs to do his ultimate job of recycling possession quickly and winning the ball back. The rest of the team is set up to go forward at every opportunity, we need one player who's not.
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Yeah I'm really interested in a setup where he partners up with Casemiro and Bruno, I think it'll give some of our lineups more options. Dalot could now push up even more often and deliver crosses while Amad acts as the inside forward who can still playmake. I think it would also help if we get decimated in the backline again, I'd feel more comfortable with Maguire/Evans/Lindelof playing with Ugarte to solidify out backline when needed.

Am I worried about the attack? Yes, but if we're gonna struggle to score, then at least let's have one of the best and most consistent defenses to make up for it. Last two seasons we scored similarly, but EtH's first year our defense was more solid and got us into CL. So maybe that's how we can get closer to those highs again. The big thing will be it'll let Casemiro play more without being as liable. Which might be better for him long-term and opens up him staying longer than expected
 
dinostar77 said:
Standard behaviour on here. Unless the CM is a "high volume progressive passer who can play penetrative passes then", they aren't happy.

We've been crying out for the type of player Ugarte is for a long while. Adding grit, determination and a toughness to our midfield that's it's sorely lacked.

But cause he can't pass the ball like toni Kross, or dictate play like Rodri he ain't good enough.
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That last paragraph sums up some people's views
 
He will do for me. He can like Carrick was, an underated midfield who was bascially the water carrier of them but he allowed Scholes, Ronaldo, Rooney to flourish. Just my opinion
 
dinostar77 said:
Standard behaviour on here. Unless the CM is a "high volume progressive passer who can play penetrative passes then", they aren't happy.

We've been crying out for the type of player Ugarte is for a long while. Adding grit, determination and a toughness to our midfield that's it's sorely lacked.

But cause he can't pass the ball like toni Kross, or dictate play like Rodri he ain't good enough.
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I am sure even when we sign a CM that is a "high volume progressive passer who can play penetrative passes", this place will instead moan and cry about how poor are his defense.

We can sign a superhuman clone that is a combination of prime Keane + Scholes this place will still moan and whine and cry. It's just the default mode here.
 
dinostar77 said:
We've been crying out for the type of player Ugarte is for a long while. Adding grit, determination and a toughness to our midfield that's it's sorely lacked.

But cause he can't pass the ball like toni Kross, or dictate play like Rodri he ain't good enough.
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Well said. Not to mention, there’s isn’t a single player who has it all exist. So even if we get a high volume passer and dictator by some chance, I can assure you same people would be moaning about the lack of steel in midfield.
 
Red_Manc_M15 said:
He will do for me. He can like Carrick was, an underated midfield who was bascially the water carrier of them but he allowed Scholes, Ronaldo, Rooney to flourish. Just my opinion
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You are really selling Carrick short here .
 
Kent13 said:
Our composition capable of winning the LDC and the PL in 2 years:
Onana
Dalot - Ugarte - Lisandro - Amass
Wharton - Mainoo
Amad - Bruno - Kvara
Hojlund

Coach: McKenna

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(I am giving you at the same time our two recruits for next summer).
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:lol:
 
Lash said:
I don't particularly care for his time at PSG as he was a square peg in a round hole for what Enrique wants to do. I saw enough of him at Sporting to understand what his strengths and weaknesses were to believe him to be a good signing then.

If you see how we set up with Casemiro last season as the deepest and just swapped him out for Ugarte, it would already be an upgrade. I think If you played them together, it would be great too - although that shifts your problem further up the field as to who you play, but still.

The idea that he'd be a bad signing for Liverpool is just ridiculous, they're currently playing Gravenberch/Endo and wasting MacAllisters strengths having to play him deeper.
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i think he is an important signing. But ultimately, our biggest issue from last season has been our inability to score goals. Its not for the lack of chance creation. We still arent addressing that. A Toney would help.
 
sglowrider said:
i think he is an important signing. But ultimately, our biggest issue from last season has been our inability to score goals. Its not for the lack of chance creation.
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whilst this is true, we have plenty of players capable of creating and scoring, making the midfield and defence solid and improving the ability of the team as a whole to regain, retain and use the ball will improve the ability of our attack to do its job
 
I’m actually amazed reading this thread at the number of people thinking Ugarte is the wrong profile of midfielder. It’s almost as if they haven’t watched the giant hole in the midfield these past two years and every fecking team stem roller through it.

Ugarte is exactly the profile we have desperately needed
 
Leethal said:
Bunch of weirdos in this thread.

We’ve been crying out for a ball winning midfielder for ages that will allow our more creative midfielders to push forward in confidence without leaving our defence exposed. Even if he supposedly does have passing limitations; which some of you who have barely seen him play are sudden experts on (based on YouTube videos and absolute dickheads on Twitter who are fecking clueless about real football).

And before you start defending yourselves with stupid stats that you’ve ripped off from some website, just don’t. feck off with that garbage. I don’t need arbitrary non-contextual stats thrown my way to promote your narratives and agendas. I have eyes and actually watch the game. I’ll reserve my judgment until after watching him play a full game, not some watered down biased YouTube compilation from some 14 year old “content creator”.
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Yep, with casemiro’s legs completely gone and no one else in the squad remotely capable of playing this role, oppos have been waltzing through our midfield all season, last year. This is not to say a DLP (or Mainoo continuing his development to fulfill that role better) isn’t a priority in the future (as we look to offload Case) but to shit on this transfer and player, before he’s even stepped foot on the field, is weird.

Also, there clearly aren’t many/any DLP’s available in the market. Luverpool ended up on the same player we were linked to (Zubimendi) and he didn’t want to move - and Liverpool haven’t been linked to anyone else either. Excited to see how this transfer pans out, and how Ugarte settles!
 
Leethal said:
Bunch of weirdos in this thread.

We’ve been crying out for a ball winning midfielder for ages that will allow our more creative midfielders to push forward in confidence without leaving our defence exposed. Even if he supposedly does have passing limitations; which some of you who have barely seen him play are sudden experts on (based on YouTube videos and absolute dickheads on Twitter who are fecking clueless about real football).

And before you start defending yourselves with stupid stats that you’ve ripped off from some website, just don’t. feck off with that garbage. I don’t need arbitrary non-contextual stats thrown my way to promote your narratives and agendas. I have eyes and actually watch the game. I’ll reserve my judgment until after watching him play a full game, not some watered down biased YouTube compilation from some 14 year old “content creator”.
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Absolutely spot on.

I get sick to death of reading nonsense like 'double pivots...false number 9s...false number 6....High press....inverted this and that'...we've literally been crying out for ten years that we need a midfielder with bite, to plug the holes and win the ball back. We've now got one and all people can do is start with the stats like armchair Fergies, to try and find a weakness.

I honestly think some people in their heads want every player we buy to secretly be a 'Messi' deep down.

This guy has been brought in for one reason and one reason only, to be a royal pain in the arse to opposition attacks. That's it.
He's there to disrupt...he's not there to find a Beckham-like, cross-field, 60yrd pass.
He's there to break up play...he's not there to dribble around 8 players like Pele.
He's there to stop an attack forming from the edge of their penalty box from our corners....hes not there to score a worldie 30yrd header like Ibrahimovic.
He's there to physically put off the oppositions creative playmaker in front of our defenders...he's not there to donut as many players as he can and lob the keeper from the halfway line.

He's there to run, disrupt, push, bundle, tackle, slide in, win the ball, quickly pass it off. I'll say it again, run, disrupt, push, bundle, tackle, slide in, win the ball, quickly pass it off...get it?

He's a pitbull, he's Declan Rice on crack.
 
I dont know how long it will be until people realize that ETH is not going to turn us into a possession based side. He literally said transition football and it won't be like his Ajax team. Either our whole new backroom team who kept ETH on gave lost thier minds or he is exactly tge profile of player they were after. Same as people having a go at Mount. He is exactly the profile ETH wants. High press, dynamic, win the ball back quickly, hit the forwards quickly. Aka transition football.
 
Seems like a lot of people here have been watching PSG and Sporting matches in the last two seasons. Unpaid scouts as far as the eye can see.
 
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