Side by side comparisons of Neves 23/24 v Ugarte 22/23
Those defensive percentiles!
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Those defensive percentiles!
Mate this is percentiles. Not raw stats
Personally don’t think Yoro and sugary deals are remotely comparable. Yoro is largely considered the best CB prospect in the sport. He’s the type of player that if he does what we think he will he’ll be on the team sheet for a decade.
Ugarte is most likely a cog in the squad for what he does and doesn’t bring.
You don't think he's a starter?
Yeah I love Vitinha. PSG have the makings of the BITW midfield for the near future if WZE keeps ascending. Those 2 with Neves is unreal as a combo.
Neves's ball winning numbers are just as good as Ugarte's, AND he is better on the ball.
No they are worse.
That's a poor deal if true, looks like they've worn us down in negotiations. He's a €45m player.
I think he’s a starter for now yes. I don’t think he’s someone you pencil in at the base of our midfield for the next 5 years (as he currently is. Of course if our staff works wonders with him especially in possession then he could be).
Probably ends up being used how Fred was for us I think.
Maybe this is why Highfather didn't want to show Neves compared to Ugarte at Sporting?
More goals from a less xG
Better pass completion.
One less progressive pass per game
More tackles per game
More interceptions
More blocks
Didn't clear it as much
Buy Gueye, sell Mainoo.
AKA, be sceptical of radar charts generally, radar charts that skew towards specific profiles of midfielders specifically, and contextless stats always.
I wanted us to sign him when he was gettable. PSG played a blinder signing him and Fabian Ruiz around the same time.
I’m miffed they got Neves at that price because I think he’s the ideal partner with Mainoo in front of a true anchor for the next decade. Basically could rotate him with bot Bruno and KM right now and then he replaces Bruno as a more traditional 8 in future years.
But yeah probably not a priority for this years current team considering Casemiro is the only DM we have.
Yeah like it splitting hair though. 99percentile vs 98, 96th percentile vs 90.
While in the almost all the metrics Neves is better at, he blows Ugarte apart, its not even close.
In 2024? That’s just….nonsense. Honestly the discourse over this lad has just gone from extreme to extreme.
We are getting Ugarte. We are not getting Neves. Deal with it. Shitting all over this deal and crying about Neves won’t help you coping with this news.
Nice that you cropped out everything else to make it seem closer
Yes left-back isn't good but who should we sign?
The only "deadwood player" is McTominay and maybe he still leaves.
Lindelöf is injured.
Eriksen could be on his way to Ajax.
Pellistri goes to Panathinaikos.
Hannibal goes to Burnley.
Who else?
At long last, a specialist ball winner. Tired of teams coming here and thinking they can just pop it about at will. We now have a pit bull in the middle of the park who ain't having it !!
Martinez will be sharpening his butcher's knives as I write this!
Ugarte was bought by PSG before they hired Enrique. That has been his main issue at the club.
Also just like Casemiro he is a lot better on the ball than he is getting credit for or stats especially at PSG suggest
Also just like Casemiro he is a lot better on the ball than he is getting credit for or stats especially at PSG suggest
Ugarte/left back(loan if needs be) this window.Wharton,nypan,left back(if still needed) and young left winger next summer. Please.
Jadon Sancho and Antony
You know how little the Caf have seen of a player when every page is just a stat war
As Neves's agent is Jorge Mendes maybe he told United that his client was going to PSG anyway. He will have come out of it very well. He didn't get to be a super agent without knowing which deals are best for him.
We have Harry Amass at left back which is probably why we won’t sign one this summer.
We have done some really good business. After Ugarte if we can bring in one more it should be an attacker not a defender
Thank you for some positivity
Amen!
I see some posters chiming in with price appraisals very matter of factly. Have the appraisers watched, I dunno, maybe 5-10 full matches?
It looks a poor deal to you only because you know we were in negotiations with psg for so long and were expecting to bring down the price considerably. In isolation, £50m is a very good price for him in a market where players like Smith Rowe going for 35m, Gallagher for £40m etc.
Feels like some in here are almost waiting for him to have a bad game so they can bring out his stats, worth remembering Amrabat had some amazing stats but didn't see it much on the pitch.
Neves is too short to partner Mainoo especially when we are trying to sell McTominay and have Martinez at CBSide by side comparisons of Neves 23/24 v Ugarte 22/23
Those defensive percentiles!
I noticed this Quarez who has tweeted saying they are close to agreement is rated in good tier for PSG
Btw thats Ugarte 23/24 not 22/23Side by side comparisons of Neves 23/24 v Ugarte 22/23
Those defensive percentiles!
I don't disagree that Utd especially under Woodward have epically dropped the ball on signings. As was widely reported we had hundreds of scouts under Woodward, reports were coming in on mass and no one was reading them. We missed out on players we should have signed. Even scouts who worked for us at the time, have said they submitted recommendations for the club to prioritise looking at signing player x,y,z and it was ignored because the reports weren't read.
On more than one occasion we sent multiple scouts to scout the same player at the same game and the scouts weren't aware of each other at the game and that they were scouting the same player. Just a farce.
I think both Ole and Mourinho had their own personal scout who reported directly to them as they didnt trust the club scouts under Marcel bout (I think, it was him).
The scouting department has been slimline and has been revamped since Woodward left and was further tweaked to the point, it's believed to be a very good state now. Which is one of the reasons why I'm more personally confident in the clubs recruitment. I dont think Yoro, Zirkzee etc would have happened under woodward and the glazers. We also seem to be doing our homework on players (ETH requests aside). So hopefully we won't get weak feeble personalities like Sancho at the club again.
Agree there is alot of tools for armchair fans to do their own analysis. However it's obviously nowhere near as advanced as the proper licenced tooling the clubs pay for that gives them rich, deep datasets, tooling to adjust the required information parameters. But the tooling is only as good as the analysis of the information it produces.
Warren Buffet famously had a 1 million dollar wager that a robo-manager could produce better results with passive investments than a star hedge fund investment manager with active investments over a period of 10 years. He won the bet.
It would never happen, but it would be so interesting to see the results of a 10 year bet on a clubs scouting team, player selections and subsequent purchases, versus a fans analytics driven selections and purchases. Who would come out on top?
I was totally shocked to hear he was at Wolves in the PL for a season but rarely got any gametime. Wolves REALLY dropped the ball on that one.
It's not. You can see at the top of the first screenshot that it's 22/23.
https://fbref.com/en/stathead/playe...3-2024&player_id4=c2a15a27&p4yrfrom=2024-2025
Please see the detailed defensive action..you will see some different..
But yes, Neves is good on progressive passing, but we need to have a ball winner to stop the gap and we have two CB which able to pass through the line
Fingers crossed
Do people think it will end up being a permanent deal now or loan with obligation to buy?
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