Did he fook.
Just last night Ugarte showed a range Herrera was never capable of. The latter could barely ping a ball to save his life.
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Did he fook.
Just last night Ugarte showed a range Herrera was never capable of. The latter could barely ping a ball to save his life.
Neither can Ugarte. He's a very safe passer. Short and simple. If he tried to be progressive or expansive, his accuracy would fall apart.
If that is correct, can you explain how he had 85% accuracy (97th percentile) when he averaged nearly 5 long passes (72nd percentile) per 90 minutes for PSG last season? Those seem pretty good to me.
It's funny how two people can remember things so differently as I remember Herrera being a pretty competent passer and Fred being a bit erratic but if you compare their best seasons at the club- Herrera 16/17 vs Fred 20-21 - they both hit exactly the same accuracy (a very decent 87%). Herrera's overall stats are a lot better though but at his best Fred was a pretty consistent passer of the ball.
I think Ugarte will be a very useful player when he's up to speed. Amorim seems to think so judging by the quotes.
Doesn't matter about the details, the same thing was said.
I think only comparing such numbers can lead to wrong conclusions. It all depends on the role you have, the type of passes you attempt, the space you are operating in. For me personally, it would be some sort of misrepresentation to call Fred a consistent passer of the ball. It just paints a picture that feels wrong to me, I remember him as quite erratic and it isn't something, I'd necessarily beat him with I mean, he probably ran 1.3 times as much as anybody else and was intense all the time. Herrara was a very technical player, very good passer but also somebody who attempted more challenging things and succeeded more often than not.
Even considering similar passing accuracy, I’d have Herrera over Fred. So far Ugarte hasn’t been anywhere near as useful as Herrera. If anything, he’s been a foul machine like Iqbal. I hope he steps it up soon.
Ander had the ability to pull of a through ball, something I'm not sure for now, that Ugarte has in his locker.
Fred played way more deadly passes than Herrera.
Herrera was a progressive passer but not necessarily a chance creating player. Im not saying Fred was De Bryune but the Fred Mctominay midfield Fred was more creative with his passes than Herrera.
Herrera was kind of like the player Mount is whenever he plays as a CM.
Ugarte is clearly bought because his numbers showed that he was clearly the best tackler we could buy.
Hopefully in the right system he can do almost a combination of both McFred by himself, which allows us to have another style of player next to him & i can see him doing that.
Herrera was a progressive passer but not necessarily a chance creating player. Im not saying Fred was De Bryune but the Fred Mctominay midfield Fred was more creative with his passes than Herrera.
Herrera was kind of like the player Mount is whenever he plays as a CM.
Ugarte is clearly bought because his numbers showed that he was clearly the best tackler we could buy.
Hopefully in the right system he can do almost a combination of both McFred by himself, which allows us to have another style of player next to him & i can see him doing that.
Laughable opinion especially when being compared to Ugarte.
Herrera was a good passer. He often played those inside right crosses that Casemiro does and was pretty good at through balls whenever he did attempt them. He was largely pretty safe with his passing and limited it to short passes, the frustration was that he wouldn’t be more expansive.
Fred was the complete opposite. He was a poor passer but had ultimate belief in himself so could play some pretty impressive passes but would have some of the worst unforced passes you’d ever see.
To think Herrera was like Fred in his carelessness with passing is just wrong.
Ugarte has less passing ability than both and that’s pretty obvious. I don’t even think the comparison to them even makes much sense. Fred and Herrera came here with expectations as 8s that were good in the opponents half. Ugarte was pretty much just seen as a destroyer with very limited but efficient use of the ball.
Herrera was a better passer imo, Ugarte doesn't seem to have much in his locker at all.
I think you’re 100% wrong about Hererra. He regularly made a balls of simple passes. He was capable of good passes too. But then so was Fred.
I can’t be arsed trying to convince you of this. So I’ll leave it at that.
Herrera was both safe as feck, AND inconsistent with his passing.
Add to that he had absolutely no ping technique whatsoever in his locker; last night alone Ugarte showed the kind of ping Herrera simply wasn’t capable of.
We had Herrera in his “prime” too, 25-30.
One day on your death bed you will remember the time you debated who was the better passer between Fred, Ander Herrera and Ugarte and smile warmly.
For those still lying about Ander after all this time, in his career he averaged 0.9 key passes. Fred averages 0.9. Ugarte averages 0.4, under half of both.
Kante averaged 1. The most by a slight amount. Schneiderlin averaged 0.4 same as Ugarte. Mascherano 0.4. Makelele 0.4 - For Makelele thats just his final 2 seasons at PSG
Casemiro 0.7, with his most coming during his time here and pushing his average higher but it was usually 0.4-0.6 before coming to United
Kante averaged 1. The most by a slight amount. Schneiderlin averaged 0.4 same as Ugarte. Mascherano 0.4. Makelele 0.4 - For Makelele thats just his final 2 seasons at PSG
Casemiro 0.7, with his most coming during his time here and pushing his average higher but it was usually 0.4-0.6 before coming to United
A life well lived!!
Is ”key passes” the only metric we can use? Or just the one that after just 10 games for Ugarte, suits your argument best ?
I do for example know that after 132 PL games, Ander had created a ”massive” 17 big chances. He clearly wasn’t some extremely creative passer, and he spent his first years at United in a much advanced role.
The very fact he beats Cas in this metric should be evidence of how little it means, considering Cas is absolutely light years ahead of Herrera with his passing technique and ability.
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Correct. Stats back up your memory too. While at United Hererra completed <60% of his long passes. For Fred it was 74%. Their stats are actually fairly similar across the board otherwise. Both decent players for us on their day and often at their best in big games, which is a good quality to have . But never quite as good or consistent as we needed them to be.
Hopefully Ugarte goes on to become a better player than either of them.
Doesn’t surprise me, I found Herrera’s passing frustrating as hell as he had no ability to switch the play or dictate any tempo by fizzing balls around; everything was simple, short and one paced. When you saw him attempt a long ball, you understood quickly why.
Yes Herrera is safe and Ugate is not.
Man Utd 3:0 Leicester
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Absolutely monsterous performance today.
Very good on the ball too.
Bodes well.
Very good on the ball too.
Bodes well.
Excellent game.
Fantastic performance today
Regaining some hope after his last performances, I'm sure under Amorim he'll perform.
A few nice turns, a dribble and some nice passes on top of 8 tackles and 3 interceptions for the team who average the most tackles and interceptions. He'll fit right in
He’s getting better!
Starting to see what we expected. It’s like having an extra man in there. Some really good forward passes that make Carl Anka look a bit silly too.
MotM for me. Destroyed Leicester's play and had a few good moments with the ball as well.
Best player on the park today. If he keeps it up he will be key in the next month or 2
Must be frustrating playing against him.
Trending the right direction! Really good today.
He was good, been improving.
He has arrived
Do we finally have a proper young Midfielder?
His best match so far.
Edit: forgot Mainoo
His best match so far.
Edit: forgot Mainoo
Silky mofo.
Mainoo
I see it.
Remember we were watching players running through our midfield last season and queuing up at the edge of the box for a shot? He seems exactly what we were missing then
His best performance in red. Long may it continue!
Fantastic game from him. Nice to have someone in there that can read the game like that and be assured.