[Highfather_24]

Blame the DM, and not the 10s and striker for being generally useless.

Our strikers are useless, everybody knows that already.

We have one good #10(Bruno), and we are moving him away from where he's best(closer to goal), because we need a playmaker deep because Ugarte is dogshit on the ball.

Its not about him being a bad player. Its about the net negative impact on the team.

 

[ROFLUTION]

He's been a great buy overall for me. Least of our problems. We've needed that consistent and safe physical player that had a lot of presence in midfield for a long time.

You need these players even more, when the attacking players are throwing the ball away easily.

 

[MaxZorin]

Good player, not great and booked far too much.

 

[Kostov]

Our strikers are useless, everybody knows that already.

We have one good #10(Bruno), and we are moving him away from where he's best(closer to goal), because we need a playmaker deep because Ugarte is dogshit on the ball.

Its not about him being a bad player. Its about the net negative impact on the team.

Ugarte is dogshit on the ball? Have you watched him play for us actually? He is better on the ball than most of our squad, can sustain pressure in possession and just scored a great goal the other week.

We are moving Bruno away from the 10 position because we don't actually have a 10 position and Bruno has been crap in his own regard, nothing to do with Ugarte.

 

[DWelbz19]

We routinely start matches with 5 defenders and at least one DM. The DM is usually Ugarte who is somewhat comfortably our least creative midfielder and the one who wants the ball the least. Then the three attackers (or sometimes even two when Fernandes or Eriksen play there) we do have are normally two strikers.

The squad set up is atrociously imbalanced. Part of that is the horrible squad the predecessor created, part of it is on the new manager’s tactical setup.

 

[Solius]

Yeah maybe it's the lack of a real physical DM for the past 20 years but I think he's been quite good.

 

[Dannn411]

I like him and think he's an important piece in our squad but I see the point his detractors are making on his negativity. Its like he's petrified to pass forward sometimes. He'll be in acres of space and still go sideways or backwards. That has to be coached out of him.

 

[sullydnl]

He is one of the rare players we signed recently that is performing exactly the same as he did with his previous teams, which is a sign that we did our due diligence on scouting for this one, for change.

Again we all knew that he was not a creator or had any attacking output, but his defensive stats are second to none in the league in his position, which is EXCATLY why we signed him.

Pair him with a solid passer on a double pivot and we would have a solid midfield two for years to come. And no, I don't think Mainoo in his current stance would be that.

100%.

He obviously has his limitations on the ball. But that's why he cost us €50m+ and not the €100m+ players like Rice, Caicedo, Enzo, etc went for, or even the €70m+ other players like Rodri and Casemiro were deemed to be worth. And even those players are/were not without their own weaknesses.

We bought a young B-tier DM with elite defensive ouput for a B-tier price. And he's immediately translated what he was doing in other leagues to the PL, giving us exactly what we paid for. That's a good buy.

There may well come a point where we've improved the rest of the starting eleven to a level where his limitations make him a relative weakness. But based on the current state of the team, we're literally years away from that point. In the meantime, the team is obviously better with him in it.

 

[Olecurls99]

Been fantastic in and out of possession. Not everyone on the team has to be Pirlo. Fabinho wasn't a progressive passer nor was Fernandinho. Ugarte's job is to find the 5 creative players ahead of him.

If they're not creating, it's not his fault.

 

[Crimson King]

This is absolute bollocks. He scored the equaliser against Everton

 

[JohnnyLaw]

I like him and think he's an important piece in our squad but I see the point his detractors are making on his negativity. Its like he's petrified to pass forward sometimes. He'll be in acres of space and still go sideways or backwards. That has to be coached out of him.

He’s still only just turning 24, his passing technique looks really good actually and I don’t think it’s uncommon for midfielder to develop their vision and creativity with age.

Either way I think it’s clear as has been for some time that we need a playmaking 8/6 next to him who can progress the ball either through passing or ball carrying. Someone like Wharton or Hackney for example would be an interesting partner for both Ugarte and Mainoo.
I’m sure there’s more and better options out there though.

 

[Big Andy]

This is absolute bollocks. He scored the equaliser against Everton

He's generally taken off as he's consistently on a yellow card.

 

[Crimson King]

He's generally taken off as he's consistently on a yellow card.

He's taken off because he's the only midfielder we don't have a ready replacement for, especially with Collyer out, and so he's trying to avoid completely burning him out and losing him to injury

 

[FrankDrebin]

He starts the games relatively brightly but then he gets booked, plays within himself there on and is then eventually hooked off.

He's a OK player. Certainly limited in possession but hopefully, over time, he comes alot more influential.

 

[Lay]

He starts the games relatively brightly but then he gets booked, plays within himself there on and is then eventually hooked off.

He's a OK player. Certainly limited in possession but hopefully, over time, he comes alot more influential.

Yeah, basically the same opinion as yours. I can see why PSG didn't want to keep him. Doesn't fit possession based sides but he has his qualities which are useful against the bigger sides

 

[Highfather_24]

Ugarte is dogshit on the ball? Have you watched him play for us actually? He is better on the ball than most of our squad, can sustain pressure in possession and just scored a great goal the other week.

We are moving Bruno away from the 10 position because we don't actually have a 10 position and Bruno has been crap in his own regard, nothing to do with Ugarte.

Yeah, in terms of progressing the ball, or in terms of keeping the attack alive, he is. His one goal the other day doesnt negate any of that.

We have 2 10s/inside forwards now, not just one. Bruno has been "crap" because he's being asked to play 20 yards deeper because we have no one in midfield that can take the ball from the defense and progress it

 

[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

Ugarte seems older than he is.

Has a lot of years to improve his game especially if he spends it in one team and one league.

 

[Kostov]

Yeah, in terms of progressing the ball, or in terms of keeping the attack alive, he is. His one goal the other day doesnt negate any of that.

We have 2 10s/inside forwards now, not just one. Bruno has been "crap" because he's being asked to play 20 yards deeper because we have no one in midfield that can take the ball from the defense and progress it

In order to progress the ball you need to have capable wingers/fullbacks, and much better attackers than we have in general. Ugarte is pretty good at what he is supposed to do, good under press, can switch play with very good long range passes and has a good shot on him.

Bruno has been crap long before he was asked to play deeper, and one of the reasons we are so crap in progressing the ball is his inconsistent bottom level. He losses so much balls on wasteful passes, couple of goals here and there obviously cloud the judgement on here. What we lack in midfield is a partner for Ugarte, and long term better playmaker than Bruno.