Manchester United vs. Wigan Athletic

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Rafael Vidic Evans Evra

Carrick Anderson/Cleverley

Zaha Kagawa Nani

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Lindegaard, Smalling, Fabio, Anderson/Cleverley, Januzaj, Young, Welbeck
 
Cleverley hasn't been excellent in any game of the pre-season (haven't seen the second game against Japanese teams though), has been good/okay in most of them, mediocre at some others and awful against Sevilla. Ando has been much better during the entire pre-season and I always have said that a fit Ando is much much better than Cleverley, though a fit Ando isn't something that happen many times.

:wenger:, he bossed the game in Sydney.
 
I don't understand how you can say the CS is continuation of the previous season when they are virtually 3 months apart, but a week before the first league game of the season.

Don't be dense. It's the curtain raiser to the new league season. He's not saying anything continues it is the maker to mark the new season is officially underway. This whole 'nothing but a glorified friendly' is a bit silly. It's an important fixture to the manager and the players in which the teams officially mark the season has started.

I am sure Moyes will be really wanting the lads to fire and start to click as they look to a tricky opening list of fixtures.

I agree counting it in trophy haul is silly, the prestige of the event to me is still the same as it has ever been despite every man and his dog climbing over each other to tell us all how shit it is. If it means feck all to them it doesn't necessarily mean feck all to the club.
 
This CS has some meaning for the coaches and players and even some fans. First trophy game for Moyes with a mixed pre season behind him he will want this for sure. The players will also be wanting it, they are still looking to impress the new manager. Wigan will want it because it would be great for them to knock over the reigning champions and win a trophy. Lots on this game despite its status.
 
I don't understand how you can say the CS is continuation of the previous season when they are virtually 3 months apart, but a week before the first league game of the season.

Most people consider the CS as the start of the beginning of the new season. That's why it's always referred to as the 'curtain raiser', for the season ahead, being in August and that. I never count it as part of the trophy count so I'm not bothered about adding it on the total of trophies won, just for the bragging rights with Liverpool.

Don't be dense. It's the curtain raiser to the new league season.

Is that not what I stated in the post you quoted that you decided to cut?

Most people consider the CS as the start of the beginning of the new season. That's why it's always referred to as the 'curtain raiser', for the season ahead,

He's not saying anything continues it is the maker to mark the new season is officially underway.

Well he was.

I consider the Community Shield a continuation of the season before.



This whole 'nothing but a glorified friendly' is a bit silly. It's an important fixture to the manager and the players in which the teams officially mark the season has started.

I am sure Moyes will be really wanting the lads to fire and start to click as they look to a tricky opening list of fixtures.

I agree counting it in trophy haul is silly, the prestige of the event to me is still the same as it has ever been despite every man and his dog climbing over each other to tell us all how shit it is. If it means feck all to them it doesn't necessarily mean feck all to the club

I've never questioned the importance of the match, I just questioned the importance of the trophy which to me in the grand scheme of things, has zero status. That's why I refer to it as a 'glorified friendly.'

In the grand scheme of things the CS is as important as the emirates cup. It's only importance is gearing up for the start of the season and making a psychological statement of intent for the new season.
At the end of the 2011/2012 season it was acknowledged by all and sundry that United had won nothing. The fact United won the CS in the previous August did not change that.
 
I don't understand how you can say the CS is continuation of the previous season when they are virtually 3 months apart, but a week before the first league game of the season.

Most people consider the CS as the start of the beginning of the new season. That's why it's always referred to as the 'curtain raiser', for the season ahead, being in August and that. I never count it as part of the trophy count so I'm not bothered about adding it on the total of trophies won, just for the bragging rights with Liverpool.

No, it is obviously part of the season to come in position, but come the end of the season no one cares. It counts as part of the Calendar year collection of trophies won.

It would be nice if it was a bit more important, but it isnt
 
Fair fecks Psych. Just shits me when people talk shit about things like this and the COC and more about the Europa League being a waste of time and all that.

Armchair care factors are grating at times.
 
It is scrumpet. It's an important thing.

If you win the treble (plus League Cup) and add the Community Shield, Uefa Super Cup and Club World Cup and boom. You've won everything there is to win. Does it not count because you've won them in the wrong order. As you literally hold medals of all 7 competitions around your neck, as all 7 trophies sit in the stadium is someone going to say to you: "sorry, you've done them in the wrong order. You'll need to win the League Cup, Champions League, FA Cup and Premier League again to be the champions of everything."

No you are the Champion of everything the game offers.
 
I seem to remember that one of the new features on the xenforo site would be some sort of real time match day thread. Are we going to see that today?
 
No, it is obviously part of the season to come in position, but come the end of the season no one cares. It counts as part of the Calendar year collection of trophies won.

It would be nice if it was a bit more important, but it isnt

No one gives a toss about trophies won in a calendar year. The footballing calendar year is August to May.
 
No one gives a toss about trophies won in a calendar year. The footballing calendar year is August to May.

Thats genuinely not true in that, no one gives the toss about the Community Shield come May. In 2008, did we do the European Double, or the Treble?

The Community Shield counts for a strange brief period in August, September, or beyond depending. As you say, it is the "season opener," the "curtain raiser", the "cliche maker". But in terms of an actual trophy it doesn't count come the end of the season, it counts before the end of the calendar year only.

The basic question is, did Barcelona win everything there is in 2009?

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Try telling Barcelona that, actually, they didnt win 6 trophies at the same time. What they did was win the European Treble one year, and then a lesser Quadruple the next. No, they won 6 trophies, the sextuple?. Everything there is to win. Champions of everything.

It all depends though. I am willing to concede anything. In my mind you have the big 3 trophies/big 4 trophies, and then the extra 3 you have to clean up to win everything. And thats it, you're done.
 
It's nice to win but matters not a jot if you lose. If the choice was win the Shield or have just 1 extra premiership point, every manager would take the point.

Suspensions / goals don't count towards anything, fans won't be in tears or dancing though the streets if you win or lose. It's a friendly.
 
The performance matters. A big performance from the lads and goals galore will be a huge boost to the start of the season. A bit of a weight off in the media I think they will swim away after circling before this fixture.
 
The performance matters. A big performance from the lads and goals galore will be a huge boost to the start of the season. A bit of a weight off in the media I think they will swim away after circling before this fixture.

I said earlier that a good performance, no injuries and a narrow defeat would be prefer than a limp win with a knock for a couple of players. I really do believe that.
 
I hope to see directness and improvement in the defence. Will be very happy if our forward going players can score 3 or more goals.
 
I would like to see:


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Rafael.........Vidic..........Rio..............Evra


................Carrick....Anderson...............


Valencia...........Kagawa...............Zaha

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Don't think this will be easy, Wigan will be up for this , and with our pre season preparation don't rule out a win for Wigan.
 
Oh no.

- Lose sound
- Lose picture
- Cut to ads during the game
- Garath Southgate

We'll have to put up with at least of these disasters then.

We've got it on ESPN in Aus. My crap SD cable is already crap but add on top of that US feed decoded and then recoded which means it's like watching an Atari Lynx.
 
Apart from Arouna Kone, Maynor Figueroa and Antolin Alcaraz, have they sold any more first team regulars so far? If not, it's basically the same Wigan team that played some great stuff at times last season, even though they're managed by Owen Coyle now.

Considering the fact that they're fitter than us at the moment, combined with our unconvinsing pre-season displays, this could be a closer contest than one would imagine.
 
Oh no.

- Lose sound
- Lose picture
- Cut to ads during the game
- Garath Southgate

We'll have to put up with at least of these disasters then.



It's worse watching ITV online. The times it loses connection so you get to view those oh-so-lucrative adverts again...and again. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
 
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