Manchester United vs. Wigan Athletic

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Annoys me this is against Wigan rather than a top 6 club.
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I see where you're coming from, but to me it's easy silverware.

I know it's only a glorified friendly, but it's also a bit of a morale boost to lift a 'cup' (well, a shield). Just playing devil's advocate, but were we to play City and lose, our morale would drop a little - and so early in the season. That and the press would start on about how Moyes isn't up to the job.

Nice easy start for David, I'm hoping it's in the bag.
 
Wigan are the perfect opponents IMO. Especially when you consider how difficult our start to the season is and the tough pre-season.

A convincing win could do a lot for our confidence going into the Swansea game.
 
17 Van Der Gouw said:
I see where you're coming from, but to me it's easy silverware.

I know it's only a glorified friendly, but it's also a bit of a morale boost to lift a 'cup' (well, a shield). Just playing devil's advocate, but were we to play City and lose, our morale would drop a little - and so early in the season. That and the press would start on about how Moyes isn't up to the job.

Nice easy start for David, I'm hoping it's in the bag.
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Totally agree. Win the community shield and that monkey of Moyes having never won anything is off his back. It may not be anything major but at least it's something. Though if we don't play relatively well, even if we win, I can see that being something to beat him with unfortunately.
 
Mystry said:
Totally agree. Win the community shield and that monkey of Moyes having never won anything is off his back. It may not be anything major but at least it's something. Though if we don't play relatively well, even if we win, I can see that being something to beat him with unfortunately.
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If United do not win the any of the 4 trophies on offer, CL, PL, F.A Cup and League Cup, he will still have that '
monkey on his back. The Community Shield is not even a minor trophy.
 
psychdelicblues said:
If United do not win the any of the 4 trophies on offer, CL, PL, F.A Cup and League Cup, he will still have that '
monkey on his back. The Community Shield is not even a minor trophy.
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It is a minor trophy. It's a competitive match.
 
I'd like it if they made the Community Shield a 4 team tournament; 'Premier League Winner' vs 'FA Cup Runner Up' and the 'FA Cup Winner' vs the 'Premier League Runner Up' in the semis (over two legs)...

I mean firstly I think it's stupid when a team qualifies through the back door. If it is going to stay in this format (and its been this way for 100 years so it will), when a team does the double give them team a celebration day against a Premier League XI or England XI or anyone rather than pointlessly play against the runners up. But at least in my proposal it adds an element of competition to the thing. It becomes a legitimate trophy in its own right, albeit a very minor one still with an element of fun attached. And what better way to kick off the season than a United vs City double header. Last year we'd have had Chelsea vs United and Liverpool vs City two legged ties. Can't ask for more than that. If a team is winner or runner up in both competitions, but them straight into the final and allow the other two remaining teams to fight in the only semi.

Anyway

Wemberrrley. Wemberrrley. We're the greatest Man Utd and we're going to Wemberrrley.
 
rcoobc said:
I'd like it if they made the Community Shield a 4 team tournament; 'Premier League Winner' vs 'FA Cup Runner Up' and the 'FA Cup Winner' vs the 'Premier League Runner Up' in the semis (over two legs)...

I mean firstly I think it's stupid when a team qualifies through the back door. If it is staying like it is, give the team a celebration day against a Premier League XI or England XI or anyone when they do the double. But at least in my proposal it adds an element of competition to the thing. It becomes a legitimate trophy in its own right, albeit a very minor one still with an element of fun attached. And what better way to kick off the season than a United vs City double header. Last year we'd have had Chelsea vs United and Liverpool vs City two legged ties. Can't ask for more than that. If a team is winner or runner up in both competitions, but them straight into the final and allow the other two remaining teams to fight in the only semi.

Anyway

Wemberrrley. Wemberrrley. We're the greatest Man Utd and we're going to Wemberrrley.
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That is not a bad idea.
 
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Manchester United manager David Moyes faces no-win Community Shield clash
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Or it's an opportunity for Moyes to make a big statement, with an emphatic 5-0 rout. That'd be a 'win'.
 
Mystry said:
It may be a glorified friendly but it's still something.
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In the grand scheme of things the CS is as important as the emirates cup. It's only importance is gearing up for the start of the season and making a psychological statement of intent for the new season.
At the end of the 2011/2012 season it was acknowledged by all and sundry that United had won nothing. The fact United won the CS in the previous August did not change that.
 
psychdelicblues said:
In the grand scheme of things the CS is as important as the emirates cup. It's only importance is gearing up for the start of the season and making a psychological statement of intent for the new season.
At the end of the 2011/2012 season it was acknowledged by all and sundry that United had won nothing. The fact United won the CS in the previous August did not change that.
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I consider the Community Shield a continuation of the season before, and that's the only time it really counts. The best and only example of this is the 2007-08 season and the 2008 year. In one we did the European Double, and in the other we did the Quadruple, or Quintuple with the League Cup, if you don't mind stretching the year to February.

The other time it really counts is when counting trophies. We've won 20 League titles, 3 European Cups, 11 FA Cups, etc. Soon that becomes meaningless and we move to;

54 Domestic trophies, 5 European and 2 Worldwide. Compare that to Liverpool's 48 Domestic trophies, 11 European and 0 Worldwide. Suddenly those extra Community Shields are important.

Still, it's just a glorified friendly. It would be nice if it had a bigger serving of respect, but it understandably doesn't.
 
A good team performance, no injuries and a narrow defeat would be better than a bumbling win and a couple of injuries in the Charity Sheild.

Only a complete moron would be on Moyes' case if he does not win tomorrow.
 
rcoobc said:
The other time it really counts is when counting trophies. We've won 20 League titles, 3 European Cups, 11 FA Cups, etc. Soon that becomes meaningless and we move to;

54 Domestic trophies, 5 European and 2 Worldwide. Compare that to Liverpool's 48 Domestic trophies, 11 European and 0 Worldwide. Suddenly those extra Community Shields are important.
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Only a dick would count charity shields when adding up domestic trophies won.

Suddenly those charity shields are only important if you're a dick.
 
duffer said:
A good team performance, no injuries and a narrow defeat would be better than a bumbling win and a couple of injuries in the Charity Sheild.

Only a complete moron would be on Moyes' case if he does not win tomorrow.
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I'm his staunchest supporter, but we have to win tomorrow. It would be the biggest upset in, I dunno. I really don't know. Going back in FA Cup and Community Shield history, when would have been the last upset on that scale. A championship club takes down the Premier League Champions at Wembley.

We have to win tomorrow. If not the united cretins will have maggots crawling under their skins
 
Ciderman90210 said:
Only a dick would count charity shields when adding up domestic trophies won.

Suddenly those charity shields are only important if you're a dick.
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Every statistic that gets chucked about on tv about the number of trophies Fergie has won, for example, includes Community Shields.

They aren't major trophies, but they get included. I'm not arguing the CS is a major trophy, Rio was talking about doing a Premier League vs Premier League game instead 2 years ago. But they still get included. They are a domestic trophy.
 
rcoobc said:
I consider the Community Shield a continuation of the season before, and that's the only time it really counts. The best and only example of this is the 2007-08 season and the 2008 year. In one we did the European Double, and in the other we did the Quadruple, or Quintuple with the League Cup, if you don't mind stretching the year to February.

The other time it really counts is when counting trophies. We've won 20 League titles, 3 European Cups, 11 FA Cups, etc. Soon that becomes meaningless and we move to;

54 Domestic trophies, 5 European and 2 Worldwide. Compare that to Liverpool's 48 Domestic trophies, 11 European and 0 Worldwide. Suddenly those extra Community Shields are important.

Still, it's just a glorified friendly. It would be nice if it had a bigger serving of respect, but it understandably doesn't.
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I don't understand how you can say the CS is continuation of the previous season when they are virtually 3 months apart, but a week before the first league game of the season.

Most people consider the CS as the start of the beginning of the new season. That's why it's always referred to as the 'curtain raiser', for the season ahead, being in August and that. I never count it as part of the trophy count so I'm not bothered about adding it on the total of trophies won, just for the bragging rights with Liverpool.
 
duffer said:
A good team performance, no injuries and a narrow defeat would be better than a bumbling win and a couple of injuries in the Charity Sheild.

Only a complete moron would be on Moyes' case if he does not win tomorrow.
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You've seen the caf this summer, and the newbies has unsurprisingly been as bad.

When we were managed by Fergie, nearly every time we failed to win, or looked a bit dodgy, there were various threads made worrying about it. If Moyes doesn't win tomorrow, this ain't gonna be a pretty place.
 
It's the first time Moyes will probably pick a relatively strong team that will play in the style he wants United to play in.

I'd say it is a pretty significant game in that sense.
 
17 Van Der Gouw said:
A number of media outlets say he played in the behind-closed-doors friendly vs Betis last weekend.
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Yeah and after that in the game in Sweden he felt his groin a bit and came off as a precaution. So did Evans but he came on at end of Rio game so hopefully Nani in same boat that he is fine and just needed to be safe.
 
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de Gea​
Rafael Vidic Evans Evra​
Zaha Carrick Cleverley Giggs​
Welbeck​
van Persie​
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Nani in for Zaha if fit, and Giggs and Welbeck maybe to switch positions.​
 
duffer said:
A good team performance, no injuries and a narrow defeat would be better than a bumbling win and a couple of injuries in the Charity Sheild.

Only a complete moron would be on Moyes' case if he does not win tomorrow.
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Sadly, seeing at its his first competitive game vs a recently relegated team, I don't see a different outcome if Utd lose tomorrow. I think a win would not only be vital for the team's confidence only, but also for Moyes'.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
It's the first time Moyes will probably pick a relatively strong team that will play in the style he wants United to play in.

I'd say it is a pretty significant game in that sense.
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Exactly. This will be our first opportunity to see our (Moyes') real team and what he has in mind. Really looking forward to this. First significant game. As I said earlier, real football.
 
BahamaRed said:
Exactly. This will be our first opportunity to see our (Moyes') real team and what he has in mind. Really looking forward to this. First significant game. As I said earlier, real football.
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Agree with this. Glorified friendly or not, it's our first competitive game and Moyes will be keen on getting the win. You can't read too much into pre-season lineups as they can be largely experimental, so up until now it's been hard to tell just what he's got in mind for a strongest XI. I think tomorrow however, will give us a pretty good idea.
 
I don't expect to see much difference from what we've seen the past month. If any. Next Saturday is the first real test.

It's funny because Moyes has to win this game, has to. If Ferguson was still in charge tomorrow would mean feck all, even a loss. It's up to the players anyway, they've to do Moyes justice in his first competitive game.
 
Kid Cunto said:
It's up to the players anyway, they've to do Moyes justice in his first competitive game.
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...and I think they will. Should be a great atmosphere from the United support too, if the Daily Fail's numbers are correct, we've got 38,000 attending, compared to <6000 from Wigan. We'll shout the house down for Moyes' first competitive match.

Aye, it would be a no-pressure walk in the park if it were Fergie - he'd probably see it as a bit of a jolly and start Januzaj.
 
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