Hillarious you think the criticism of Rashford and the idea of getting rid is just a recent bandwagon thing. He’s been widely criticised on here for years, the only difference now is we (finally) have a manager who seemingly also agrees and a media who is now picking it up as a result.
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Hillarious you think the criticism of Rashford and the idea of getting rid is just a recent bandwagon thing. He’s been widely criticised on here for years, the only difference now is we (finally) have a manager who seemingly also agrees and a media who is now picking it up as a result.
Completely agree. When I see Rashford running at a defender from the wing I have no optimism because I know he’s about to lose the ball or be completely thwarted.
The difference is the likes of Salah has far more technical ability which allows him to play in more progressive systems designed to win football games. Rashford has limited technical ability, and is reliant on pace in a specific, counter attacking system that typically isn’t going to win you leagues and CLs. He would do better for a mid table counter attacking side, that’s his game and about his level. Salah would walk into most big clubs and systems in the world.
The least he can do is work hard for the team and he blatantly refuses to do that. He is notoriously lazy off the ball and that's the gripe most folks have with him. He's still one of our most reliable strikers of the ball anywhere near the box and still has the ability to be a serious problem for opponents. An engaged Rashford is a genuine goal threat. Problem is he hardly looks engaged and plays like he's being forced - that's unforgivable for most fans.
He just doesn’t fit the system nor type of player Amorim demands.
He doesn’t have the strength or hold up play to be the #9, he doesn’t have the skill or footballing brain to play the #10, and he doesn’t have the work rate or determination to play as a wingback.
He’s a very expensive luxury player that has lost his way and needs to move or be moved on for the best of both us and him.
He doesn’t have the strength or hold up play to be the #9, he doesn’t have the skill or footballing brain to play the #10, and he doesn’t have the work rate or determination to play as a wingback.
He’s a very expensive luxury player that has lost his way and needs to move or be moved on for the best of both us and him.
He doesn't have the determination or work rate for any position in any system. Gone are the days top teams can carry a player.
It's very rare for a player of his calibre, earning his wages to be consistently questioned on his mentality on and off the pitch.
Only we could be so unlucky as a club.
Only we could be so unlucky as a club.
Agreed. Think his body and mind is done. Retired by 30/31.
Some of It was directed at 2 players
Some of It directly at Rashford
Rashford was in both cases
We can debate Salah quality in another thread but this one is about Rashford who is nowhere near Salah level. What are Rashford attributes? He can’t dribble effectively more often than not the full back comes out on top. His first touch is poor and he lacks passing and crossing range. His shots are frequently aimed straight at the keeper and its been ages since he scored a free kick. The only strengths he possesses are his pace and power which occasionally allow him to beat a defender or score but such moments are rare. Beyond his lack of goals, Rashford hasn’t pressed, track back or worked hard enough for years and that reflects his overall effort. He will regret it when he looks back on his career and it will be entirely his own doing.
The club decision to give him a huge contract on the back of one good season has only made things worse and making it difficult to move him on despite his poor and inconsistent performances. If you ask me we should have sold Rashford instead of McTominay because while McTominay may be less skilful he has the right attitude. Look at Maguire. Despite facing immense pressure and stripped of the captaincy, hounded by english fans when playing for England and United fans when playing for United, he has managed to bounce back and deliver a better return than Rashford. Maguire isn’t elite but his resilience puts Rashford struggles into perspective.
he's already made his move mate
because firmly in the sit on his arse and take the money camp
Haaland is joint top goalscorer in the premier league and 3rd top goalscorer in the champions league, if that's "cant score and looks average" then sign me up.
Rashford's best ever premier league season he managed 17 league goals which Haaland is likely to equal before new years.
It seems Henry Winter has been enlisted as PR for Rashford:
He awoke this morning to headlines detailing United’s desire to sell him. I ask Rashford if he’s staying or going? “For me, personally, I think I'm ready for a new challenge and the next steps.”
Sounds like he's ready to leave as well. While he gave us some good moments, he's a disgrace and is actively taking the piss out of the fans with his pathetic work ethic. Such a shame.
Can something be done in January...
He awoke this morning to headlines detailing United’s desire to sell him. I ask Rashford if he’s staying or going? “For me, personally, I think I'm ready for a new challenge and the next steps.”
Sounds like he's ready to leave as well. While he gave us some good moments, he's a disgrace and is actively taking the piss out of the fans with his pathetic work ethic. Such a shame.
Can something be done in January...
And like clockwork, he and his people give a puff piece to Henry Winter to post, two days after Gary Neville put the boots to him in the Sky post match analysis.
I said this in his performance thread. It feels like every time someone of reputable standing in football gives criticism on a big platform, there always seems to be some PR spin from his camp not too far away, and here we are again.
Whoever is advising him is fecking it up.
I said this in his performance thread. It feels like every time someone of reputable standing in football gives criticism on a big platform, there always seems to be some PR spin from his camp not too far away, and here we are again.
Whoever is advising him is fecking it up.
To be fair all the talk is of United deciding to sell rather than Rashford wanting to leave. There’s definitely been briefing from the club and being left out of the squad speaks for itself.
He’s come out and said he’s ready for a new challenge. It does seem like a move is closer than we think.
I agree with this.
But would Salah have thrived at United like he has at Liverpool? Likely not as we haven't be able to play progressive football.
Mainoo would be dumb to sell, considering the weaknesses in his game can be improved and built around.
Garnacho I think might be a shrewder move if another club is willing to pay a Julian Alvarez level fee for him.
I certainly don't think it's "too early to know" with young players who have had 2-3 years of consistent minutes at the top level. Part of running a club well is identifying players who will and won't make it beforehand and capitilizing on it instead of just "waiting and seeing" and then when a player flops you get very little benefit from it. Garnacho is someone who has serious weaknesses to his game that I'm not sure will suddenly fix themselves, and there's a real possibility the hype/reputation is above what his true potential probably is.
I mean he probably wouldn't have hit the consistent elite numbers he has at Liverpool, but he has enough quality that he still would have been our best player anyways and probably raised some of our better sides in recent years up a level.
Rashford isn't near the level of Salah, clearly. Rashford has a lot of technical deficiencies not suited to playing for a top team. And im not saying that we should keep him, although we may not have a choice.
But the point is, Rashford has been playing in a poor team for a long time. At the times when the team were functioning well, as did he.
And very easy to say we should have sold him rather than keep him, but i have explained the context of that situation. It would have been mad to not extend his contract and risk letting him run it down for a year.
Were you criticising Rashford post 30 goals in the summer of 2023? Were you critishing the renewal? No, you seemed surprised that others were still critical...
Still think Rashford is better than Gakpo in any position?
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/rasmus-højlund-signed-for-united.476325/post-30866479
Because as to my point, put Gakpo on a functional side and he looks great.
Easy to be wise after the fact!
Maybe. But there have been other good players that have come to United and been dragged down by the malaise. We will never know.
And the majority of those goals came before City's slump.
Read the post....
"Look at Haarland for example. City are playing like crap and all of a sudden Haarland can't score and looks very average."
What had Haarland done since City have been wobbling? 3 goals in 10 Premier league games.
The point is, even the best players can look like crap when the team isn't functioning. So why expect Rashford to shine when United have been disfunctional the majority of the time that he has been in the first team?
It’s time to move, he needs a fresh start somewhere else. A huge part of this is the financial element, paying him the reported 300k a week for another three and a half years doesn’t make any sense.
So much money is still tied up in Casemiro for 18 months, Antony for 2 and half years, Mount for 3 and a half. Something has to give to try and speed up the rebuild.
So much money is still tied up in Casemiro for 18 months, Antony for 2 and half years, Mount for 3 and a half. Something has to give to try and speed up the rebuild.
Rashford isnt a striker. So even if he isnt scoring he should be helping the team do better in trying to score.
This kid needed better people around him. The club has failed him and he has failed the club.
He'd have been a potent attacker in our more direct setups due to his pace but we'd be wasting his broader creative/general footballing ability.
Rashford simply became a product of what the club was at the time he was developing and, in many ways, United failed him as much as he failed United. Striker under LVG, god that feels so long ago, Mou comes in completely changes things and wants him as a direct/fast wide man, Ole uses him in a similar way, ETH ends up doing the same. Really his whole career he has been asked to be what he is now.
Now that's how you do a puff piece properly.
Mind you don't choke on his bellend there Henry.
Man, he tapped out of Amorim’s regime quick!
Hope we get a big fee for him.
Shame it has come to this, but I think it’s the right decision.
Shame it has come to this, but I think it’s the right decision.
Agree he needs better people around him.
Fact is, he has been our best academy player since the class of 92. Given us 10 years of service. He has been up and down but its has been a crap 10 years for the whole club.
Oh feck off.
Quite sad how it’s ending but only has himself to blame. If he was that arsed, he’d get his head down and put some effort him. Would it kill him to stop going to nightclubs and do some tracking back?
Finally he wants to go great news , what team can afford him with 320,000£ a week wages !
Part of me is gutted. When he broke through, the way he did, the way he lead the line, played above his years and his social workings but in the last couple of years, he’s fallen off the face of the earth from a football perspective and a move is the best thing for all parties.
Totally agree.
I think Rashford is a bit of a throwback player. I could imagine him being brilliant in a 442 as a forward who could burn any center back. But football has changed and that change has not suited him.
A club legend? Blimey.
If longevity warrants legend status then I don't know what.
If longevity warrants legend status then I don't know what.
Players that have assaulted their partners have received less stick than Rashford has at times. Our support is an absolute shambles.
Nah, being left out of that squad for players very much on the fringe was a massive decision. Amorim would not have done that lightly.
Disappointing that he is saying he is ready for a change after only a few weeks under Amorim. Maybe his mind has been made up for a while.
Even though he is probably not suited to the Amorim system, it would have been good to see him reenergized under Amorim.
Yes, he is only 27, but a lot of players that enter top level football early burn out quick.
Even though he is probably not suited to the Amorim system, it would have been good to see him reenergized under Amorim.
Yes, he is only 27, but a lot of players that enter top level football early burn out quick.
Rashford and legend shouldn't be in the same sentence.
Yeah, it is true. Very Sad.