Marcus PRashford
Manchester United view sidelining Marcus Rashford as key to cultural reboot
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What I worry about with Rashford isn't so much his tendency to mentally check out of games as much as his overreliance on pace. He's not exactly a flat track bully as I believe that term as used in the British lexicon (I'm an American) means someone who beats up on inferior opponents but crumbles before superior opposition, but he does tend to perform well only against inferior opposition, which I believe was explained earlier in this thread, and overcomes opposition with his pace and not much else.
When the pace isn't there, there isn't much there. He's of no use in tight spaces and her zero aerial ability. He did used to have a free kick but he's no longer a viable option on free kicks. His best attribute is hitting on the counter where his pace can be used to advantage. But most opponents will sit back on us.
If we can find a club willing to bring him in, we should sell him. It will be a sad day, but a day that either has to come or he runs down in his contract more or less in the manner of Gareth Bale.
Can we all stop pretending that Rashford is the only one that does this?
It's also worth saying that his original crime in the eyes of many was launching a campaign to help feed children.
Let's have a bit of perspective ffs.
Can't wait for this circus to end
whole day on city's win was about him, everything was about him being dropped who to me is just average overpaid player. too much media hype
whole day on city's win was about him, everything was about him being dropped who to me is just average overpaid player. too much media hype
It is all big words and PR - but zero work or results. No wonder people joke about it
The circus has only increased because people have become obsessed with hating the guy.
The likes of Mark Goldbridge and the other YouTube cranks have only made it worse.
well the media are just obsessed with him period
all the talk was him being dropped, who quite frankly I didn't care about, he shouldn't even be a first 11 player for us simple as
He really isn't good enough of a player for this to be the headline news it is. It is shit that it has come to this, I'd even be happy for him to stay if he was on half the wage he is on. But his output versus his wage coupled with his disciplinary issues means it simply makes sense for him to be sold.
Zero results? That's just not true is it. He's been a great player at times, if a little (or very) inconsistent.
He's been among our top 10 players since Fergie retired.
I'm all for balance or analysis etc but the criticism he gets has been insane.
The media have been all over him since he led the campaign during lockdown.
I know for a fact that some journalists were ringing his family, old school friends and teachers trying to get dirt on him after that. That was, again, in response to him having a campaign helping kids in poverty. Just think about that for a second.
In response to both posts, it's not that surprising that he maybe tried to be proactive with his PR.
It's a case of the chicken or the egg, are those team great because their star players perform or their star players perform because of the team? The thing is he's earning like a worldclass player and he's not remotely performing as one.
If you want to make the case about Rashford being worldclass but not delivering due to the team, then any player in our squad is granted the same wages. Even average players in average teams, thats not the way it works. Players are paid that much to perform, if Haaland continues to underperform he'll be questioned, there's no way he'll be granted years of mediocrity blaming City's poor performances.
The online football fan moulded on the Arsenal Fan TV success really is one of the worst things to appear as a by-product of football.
No one should hate Rashford, he seems a good bloke, but it's more than to criticise him for footballing reasons.
The muppet in me is sad that Ineos actually have a recruitment plan, if Woodward were here I'd be hopeful of some ill fated swap like Rashford for Neymar.
There's really nothing wrong with that retort from Rashford.
Things are a bit clearer, he's happy for a new challenge but will continue to fight for his place. He's definitely gone by the summer.
Things are a bit clearer, he's happy for a new challenge but will continue to fight for his place. He's definitely gone by the summer.
I’d agree that Rashford has lost the top end pace that made him so explosive when he was younger and that it almost became his signature attribute but i do feel there is more to his game than just pace. I think he is an instinctive player and when things go wrong he looks to things that have served him in the past. When they don’t work he loses confidence further. We have seen him perform against top teams before and I’m sure he has a pretty good record against the top 6.
His game isn’t about work in tight spaces but I’ve seen him play neat one twos and also spread the play as he did well when we beat City last season. He has the capacity but can get very sloppy, but this is a team trait at the minute.
As I’ve said if he does go it is what it is but id still find issue in the fact we couldn’t develop a talented young player who grew and I believe tried hard for this club. The anger and hate some exhibit for him I just find sad.
Yeah. I feel like this could be a good thing.
A move to Italy would be good for him and he'd be an icon over there.
Greenwood had no or little support on the forum and most agreed with the decision for him to go. If Greenwood is the yardstick, we’re never supposed to criticise any player ever. Rashford is our highest paid player and has performed poorly over an uncomfortably long period. If it was any other signing, the decision to sell him wouldn’t warrant any debate. This one should be as well.
The only problem is who will buy him and at what price. Everyone knows we’re skint and desperate to sell.
Loan with obligation.
Both have to be working together. It is rare we see forwards in a team performing to a high level in stuggling teams. I dont remember seeing United clicking in all 10 other positions and Rashford letting us down.
Yes, he is earning top money because he plays at United, a club with nearly $800mil a year in revenue. Every player at United is overpaid for what they are acheiving.
We gave Mason Mount £250k a week and paid Chelsea £60m to buy him when he only had a year left on his contract. We paid him as if he was a free agent and paid a transfer fee.
Antony, Maguire, De Ligt are on £200k a week. And lets not mention Casemiro on £350k plus a transfer fee. You think that represents value?
We pay massive wages, so expect a player that just scored 30 goals, that is on his 3rd or 4th contract of his United career to receive the same.
Never said he was world class.
It is not as simple as a player getting paid what they are worth. As i explained, it is what it would take to replace Rashford at the time. A time when he was coming off his best season and there was positive vibes around him and Ten Hag.
Go back to summer 2023 when he signed.
You have two options....
You give Rashford a contract for 5 years on about £80m for the term of the contact.
Or you find a replacement and risk Rashford running down his contract and leaving on a free like Mbappe did.
What do you do? And who do you bring in? You aint getting a replacement for that money. And the club looks very stupid if the let him go on a free to a rival.
And the chance of a sale in 2023 would have been slim as we would have wanted £80+mil for the transfer and he would have wanted a £80+mil contact from his next club, thus costing any potential suitor £160mil+. No one is paying that money anymore.
What would that be?
What a load of bollocks. Without Rashford we actually have 11 players on the pitch and performances have improved.
Fail to see what we are going to miss.
Yes he was a talented youngster but the reality is he didn’t live up to it. One good season two years ago is about the height of it.
If we want to get back to the top we need someone who does that 5,6,7 years on the bounce.
Taking all emotion out of this we aren’t gonna miss anything here
Yes he was a talented youngster but the reality is he didn’t live up to it. One good season two years ago is about the height of it.
If we want to get back to the top we need someone who does that 5,6,7 years on the bounce.
Taking all emotion out of this we aren’t gonna miss anything here
Think he'll be leaving in January. Thought that anyway but feel even more sure of it after his comments. All of Barcelona, Bayern and PSG are reportedly interested. Rashford contributed far more than people on here give him credit for. Acting like he had only 1 good season is frankly nonsense. Nonetheless, 3 of the last 4 seasons now have been poor. He clearly wants to leave (thought this was obvious in the last EL game) and club wants to move on too. Hopefully we get a good fee for him. I think he'll do well wherever he goes.
He's been "ready for a new challenge" for years now. Even before his 30 goals season. He couldn't wait to feck off but I guess no one came even close to offering him what we did and he chose the money (of course).
Let's see if he's really ready for a challenge and accepts lower wages somewhere else. I highly doubt that.
Let's see if he's really ready for a challenge and accepts lower wages somewhere else. I highly doubt that.
Reminds me of when Pogba said he would prove the club wrong elsewhere
I take it you disagree
I'm glad this is coming to a head. Time for him to move on. I will hope for him to do well if he leaves the Prem.
Come off it, Rashford deserves all the stick he is getting.
He's only got himself to blame, if he can't even be arsed to try, why should the fans give him any support?
That's not the praise you think it is. It's only because the quality of the other players is nowhere near what it used to be.
Probably been said already but I wonder if there was pushback from Ashworth over selling Rashford and that’s part of the reason why he ended up in the bin too.
Does he say that if he doesn’t already have a club interested?
Either way I’m glad and hope he does move on. Was a great prospect, along with martial, rashford delivered much more, but ultimately time is up.
Either way I’m glad and hope he does move on. Was a great prospect, along with martial, rashford delivered much more, but ultimately time is up.
he did seem very pro English core from what we read (although I still struggle to believe anyone actually thinks Southgate was a good shout).
He has lost some pace, and was never very technical or worked very hard. Clearly in decline. If I can see it so can the very few potential suitors.
I don't care that I seem to be in the minority but I'm really unhappy about this. I was at Rashford's debut against Midtjylland, will never forget being like "who?" when his name was read out. I love the guy, he's a United man and always will be. Sentimental nonsense? Yeah, sure.
His performances have been shit, I'm not disputing that, but I really wish it wasn't ending like this.
His performances have been shit, I'm not disputing that, but I really wish it wasn't ending like this.
There's nothing really that earth shattering in this situation though, is there?
This is the first time in a long time a coach has implemented an cultural change with the full backing of the board at United. But this is the expectation of a top club.
Even the best will tell you they had to fight for their place every day at this club in days gone past. Every training session meant something. This is not a circus, or a negative thing. This is a good thing.
Either Rashford rediscovers himself, or he is sold. It's a cold reality that was not all that unusual in times gone by. Even his comments seem to accept that. The fact that this has been lost is the problem.
Amorim has played this brilliantly (or luckily) too. Dropped two underperforming stars, put his faith in a rising star who delivers, yet has managed to not ostracise Rashford & Garnacho. There's no fued. There's no exile like under previous managers. It is on the players now. Amorim has thrown the gauntlet down, come out the right side and now he's saying "are you good enough to be here?" This is what it should be like.
This is the first time in a long time a coach has implemented an cultural change with the full backing of the board at United. But this is the expectation of a top club.
Even the best will tell you they had to fight for their place every day at this club in days gone past. Every training session meant something. This is not a circus, or a negative thing. This is a good thing.
Either Rashford rediscovers himself, or he is sold. It's a cold reality that was not all that unusual in times gone by. Even his comments seem to accept that. The fact that this has been lost is the problem.
Amorim has played this brilliantly (or luckily) too. Dropped two underperforming stars, put his faith in a rising star who delivers, yet has managed to not ostracise Rashford & Garnacho. There's no fued. There's no exile like under previous managers. It is on the players now. Amorim has thrown the gauntlet down, come out the right side and now he's saying "are you good enough to be here?" This is what it should be like.
Think many United fans would be scared to actually see what that list looks like, because it’ll be filled with a few who aren’t liked much at all around here.
Pre back injury for sure.
I do miss that rashford who, whilst not the best technically, was fun to watch, played without fear and tried something other than getting the ball, stopping with it and trying to pass it through the eye of the needle or passing it back.
Just curious, what do people mean when they say Rashford seems like a good guy? Is it just the charity stuff?
He hasn't had any major off-field scandals, which is a good start. But having (at least somewhat) poor effort and attitude doesn't scream "great guy" to me. He comes off somewhat poorly in my opinion given his position, although it's nothing too serious.
I can see a very odd eventuality that we sell Garnacho, not because he isn't a great talent but because he is and he's like to bring in a huge offer which would give us insane wiggle room with PSR. Not saying I think it's likely or that I even agree with it but I don't think the chance is 0.
I can't see any way we sell Mainoo, we're gonna need someone to be the face of United with Rashford's impending transfer.
“just the charity stuff”. That isn’t enough?
How about we keep him because he's a great player, not this fecking face of United bollocks.... I feel so old sometimes