It's not fair to say Rashford put in less effort than others unless there are evidences proving so.
Overall, Rashford still have more goals and assists than most forwards in united this season.
Manchester United view sidelining Marcus Rashford as key to cultural reboot
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Overall, Rashford still have more goals and assists than most forwards in united this season.
Let's see if we finish where we should without rashford, a few points off top four
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c4gpj9drn0do
BBC partly quotes the Henry Winter piece, and has Simon Stone with some other comment from sources close to or friends
It is being suggested to me by sources close to Rashford that he is in an emotional frame of mind as far as his Manchester United career is concerned, that he has no desire to leave Old Trafford and in an ideal world would return to Ruben Amorim's starting line-up, stay there and move on.
However, Rashford is a realist.
He watched Sunday's victory at Manchester City in front of a TV at home.
Amorim might have massaged the situation by saying this was a new week, but Rashford and the people closest to him have been around long enough to know new bosses can make a big impact by leaving out a big name. And the big name tends to be someone who is not pivotal to their plans.
A January move is not straightforward. Paris St-Germain are the club most linked with Rashford. They are also the club to distance themselves from a transfer the most often.
Aside from Casemiro, Rashford is United's highest earner. Not many clubs in the world could match his wages.
At 27 and theoretically in the prime stage of his career, Rashford might be someone of major interest to the Saudi Pro League - but would that appeal to Rashford? Some who know the player suggest not.
Rashford has witnessed a shining example of someone who has turned a bleak situation around. Erik ten Hag didn't want Harry Maguire. Had Maguire been ambivalent about his situation he would be long gone by now.
But Maguire stuck it out, won his place back and ended up lasting longer than Ten Hag.
Rashford has the ability to turn this situation around - but his words suggest very strongly that is not his current mindset.
He is ready for a new challenge but the secondary part remains. Where?
That encapsulates it. Will he come back in like Maguire, or just shrug?
I'm working my way down the reader comments below. Not many expressing undying support for the player
BBC partly quotes the Henry Winter piece, and has Simon Stone with some other comment from sources close to or friends
It is being suggested to me by sources close to Rashford that he is in an emotional frame of mind as far as his Manchester United career is concerned, that he has no desire to leave Old Trafford and in an ideal world would return to Ruben Amorim's starting line-up, stay there and move on.
However, Rashford is a realist.
He watched Sunday's victory at Manchester City in front of a TV at home.
Amorim might have massaged the situation by saying this was a new week, but Rashford and the people closest to him have been around long enough to know new bosses can make a big impact by leaving out a big name. And the big name tends to be someone who is not pivotal to their plans.
A January move is not straightforward. Paris St-Germain are the club most linked with Rashford. They are also the club to distance themselves from a transfer the most often.
Aside from Casemiro, Rashford is United's highest earner. Not many clubs in the world could match his wages.
At 27 and theoretically in the prime stage of his career, Rashford might be someone of major interest to the Saudi Pro League - but would that appeal to Rashford? Some who know the player suggest not.
Rashford has witnessed a shining example of someone who has turned a bleak situation around. Erik ten Hag didn't want Harry Maguire. Had Maguire been ambivalent about his situation he would be long gone by now.
But Maguire stuck it out, won his place back and ended up lasting longer than Ten Hag.
Rashford has the ability to turn this situation around - but his words suggest very strongly that is not his current mindset.
He is ready for a new challenge but the secondary part remains. Where?
That encapsulates it. Will he come back in like Maguire, or just shrug?
I'm working my way down the reader comments below. Not many expressing undying support for the player
He's been criticized but you can't tell me there hasn't been a spike in media articles? 5/6 a day is normal ? And he has become by far the most criticized player over others since the other scapegoats left the team. Ten hag was the focus of articles until he left, now rashford. Who will it be after he leaves if he leaves?
Absolutely terrifying if Wilcox was involved in team selection. Genuinely worse than anything that has come before. Please please tell me you read that from some rubbish source.
Stop referring to players as scapegoats, it renders everything you say as meaningless
Something tells me it's not up to Rashford anymore. He has been told to go find a new club.
I think you’re misremembering. There was relentless press leak drama. From the Greenwood SNAFU, to the Sancho mess, to all the usual dressing room leaks that accompany a failing manager.
If his performances have been shit as you say, why would you even consider keeping him?
Is that enough to offset his on-pitch laziness or off-pitch antics such as his Belfast piss up/late for training episode?
IMO, no it isn't.
Marcus Rashford, the cultural robot.
It’s enough to be confident he’s a good guy. Which has feck all to with all the other stuff you clearly enjoy ripping into him for.
The hate is over the top, although it's not hard to see why the hate is there. Marcus grew up in extremely humble circumstances and now carries himself like a prima donna off the pitch and like someone who doesn't care on the pitch.
But if he produced the end product, Marcus Rashford can carry on like a pre-Madonna for all I care. But the end product has evaporated and it's not just a run of poor form. When Forlan was missing chances on goal at least he ran his socks off. When Rooney would go cold, you knew he would get hot again. Both gave it everything they had, even on days when they had nothing. Rashford just gives up too easily and it's weird to watch. But above all he never bothered to learn a new skill, a new trick or anything to advance his game beyond what it was when he was 20 years old.
Hard for us to relate, pressure of United must be horrendous when things aren’t going well and he can’t live a normal life even when it is. People like us will say ‘well I’d love that life for the money he’s paid’ but it doesn’t stop the constant abuse and likely lonely existence. The fact he’s been doing positive things outside of football, has never done anything at all that’s ‘bad’ points to a solid character, as does everything we know about him. United has broken him, you can see it in how he plays, how he hides under the pressure but it doesn’t reflect poorly on him as a person. Sure, you can argue it shows he does not have the mental grit of Keane or Stam etc. but why would that reflect poorly on him as a person in general?
Peraps there is more to the situation than is being admitted, perhaps somesport of disciplinary which would entail Wilcox being involved?
Why is it enough? He's obviously not such a "good guy" as you're trying to make him out to be.
No, I don't like ripping into him as you put it, but he certainly deserves it for his woeful attitude he's shown on the pitch.
It is definitely too early to tell as has been evidenced time and again in the past. Salah was older than Garnacho when Chelsea sold him. Ronaldo was a "one trick pony" who was mocked constantly by rival fans and pundits when he was 20, and went through sustained spells of being frustratingly crap.
It's an absolutely ridiculous thing to claim. Garnacho has had a poor run of form and been dropped for 1 game. He's 20 years old and has no right to even be playing at the level he is. He's also an age where inconsistency and emotional petulance comes as standard.
Unless he instigates it, selling him would be insanely stupid. It won't raise enough money to build a team it will raise money to try and get a replacement who we might not get and even if we do probably won't have nearly the same potential.
Rashford is 27, has performed poorly for ages, drives around everywhere in a solid gold car, doesn't seem to treat bettering himself as a footballer as any kind of priority, hides behind a pr machine instead of knuckling down, and is on massive wages. I don't get how Garnacho or Mainoo manage to make their way into a discussion about the club considering selling him. There is no comparison at all.
Lack of work ethic ,arrogance, and laziness reflects poorly on any person's character. You can make excuses for him if you like, but we can only judge on what we see, and that's what we've been seeing on the pitch for a long time
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Dropped from the squad for the Manchester derby.
Within a couple of days, he's handing out presents to school children with one of the most reputable sports journalists coincidentally present. Before you know it, this arranged PR takes all the focus away from a fantastic derby victory, to all about poor Marcus Rashford again. There's even a line in the article about being shown online 'abuse'. Heaven forbid, don't forget the sympathetic line about abuse.
This feels like Rashford's holding babies for the camera moment.
Within a couple of days, he's handing out presents to school children with one of the most reputable sports journalists coincidentally present. Before you know it, this arranged PR takes all the focus away from a fantastic derby victory, to all about poor Marcus Rashford again. There's even a line in the article about being shown online 'abuse'. Heaven forbid, don't forget the sympathetic line about abuse.
This feels like Rashford's holding babies for the camera moment.
So sell our two most promising young players, to enable us to sign some promising young players?
Apparently not.
I suppose the big difference with Maguire and Rashford is that when Maguire was going through his worst period and at rock bottom you could still never question his effort.
Regardless of what you thought of Maguires ability you could never question how hard he was trying.
Rashfords issue isn't just his actual form but his effort levels. At this point he seems incapable of giving 100% consistently, you get it sometimes for a few games but then he quickly drops off again.
Regardless of what you thought of Maguires ability you could never question how hard he was trying.
Rashfords issue isn't just his actual form but his effort levels. At this point he seems incapable of giving 100% consistently, you get it sometimes for a few games but then he quickly drops off again.
These are personality traits that very rarely get turned around. Very few clubs around the world are prepared to accept those traits.
Fairly obvious at this point that was his PR people though tbf.
Driving round in a solid gold Rolls Royce covered head to toe in bling doesn't exactly scream Man of the People to me
Not that I know if he's a nice guy or not. He could be, but I'm past it being any kind of defence for his crappy performances or the ridiculous predictability of the Henry Winter headed PR machine...which is a big part of why he never has to react positively to criticism.
For me he's basically Sancho with slightly better work ethic and good PR instructing him. Like you won't get him being sent off for months away from the squad and he isn't gonna have a go at the manager on social media because he got dropped. He'll just go hand out presents to children and have a journo tag along where he drops quotes 2 days after a great derby win which he was dropped for to make it about himself and how he's ready for a new club. But where the great PR comes in for him was him celebrating on the win on social media. So when you say he's taking away from the win with stuff like this his fan club says "what are you on, he celebrated Amad's goal"
Giggs seemed pretty hard working, down to earth, and hard working (not sure why you said work ethic and laziness as though they are two separate ideas unless you were just super desperate to pad out your list to three things instead of two) and look at what we learned about his character.
Good guys finish last unfortunately. Always annoyed me that, even more so against slow Ipswich defenders.
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Why does it have to be man of the people or horrific c*nt? Maybe he's a decent lad who grew up poor and likes to be a little flash and the clothes he wears and cars he drives have absolutely nothing to do with the content of his character?
To be honest, this seems awfully similar to criticisms of other non-white players over the years but I never read comments about what kinds of cars nor what style of clothing white players have/wear. I am not saying this is racism, nor accusing anyone of racism, but it's pretty clear there's bias showing through that we should all examine.
Doing some charity work, by proxy or otherwise does at least indicate intent. Sadly some people do not even have that. I've met individuals at my own company that do not even want to use paid-for volunteering days (including paid for travel/lunch) where everything is set up by an event organiser in the company beforehand.
As you've said there noodle, we will never really know. To me I think he seems alright. Maybe he doesn't take well to criticism but no one is perfect. Everyone is flawed to some extent and I think it is certainly fair to say there are worst people out there - far worse - than Rashford.
I feel a little saddened by the news. I wanted him to be great here and it hasn't worked out.
Nice to see you've deliberately ignored the second part of my post to take what I've said out of context and casually accuse me of being racist based on absolutely nothing at all.
F*ck off
Can't believe Rashford ignored that dog in the Thames and made the Radio 1 guy jump in instead. Terrible person.
Almost beyond parody that, regular as clockwork, within 2 days of being dropped we can add another one to the list.
Nothing about this walking brand that's remotely genuine...completely shameless.
As we all know, it's impossible for a person to have selfish motives when publicly doing a good deed.
But seriously I see no reason for anyone to ever mention his charity work in the football forum, whether it's to label him a good person or whether it's to suggest it's PR. The fact of the matter is we don't know the guy and should stick to talking about him in the context of football
He might be alright. I don't know him. I don't really care. The school meals thing is still a positive as it resulted in some good being done and was only possible due to his name being behind it.
I just don't think being nice to children is a substitute for not being a crap or lazy footballer. I also do find the PR stuff with him very cringe. Any time there's a hint of negative publicity Henry Winter kicks into gear with some bizarre article about what a great human Rashford is. As if that is at all relevant to whether he's playing well enough for Man Utd
I'd like to believe it will be the former but we'll see.
Only because the threads get locked to be fair.
Same here and i have to hold my hand up. The last few comments from you that I read I all agree with.
I suspect it's more a case of the coach asking for advice on how best to handle whatever the issue was
That’s been the sad thing with Rashford. He absolutely has the talent. His work rate has just died in the last 2-3 years and it’s harder to stomach.