He tracks back sure, but his passing has been absolutely atrocious this season.
Manchester United view sidelining Marcus Rashford as key to cultural reboot
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That's the huge issue in my eyes. I'm fairly confident that Rashford and Pogba would have developed very differently if they'd had the likes of those players surrounding them during their early-to-mid 20's, and then naturally taken over those leadership roles themselves as they got older and the previous generation retired. Instead they, Pogba particularly, were expected to be the examples to everyone else in a poor team while they were still in their early 20's themselves.
That was always my worry as soon as the Amorim links grew strong. Garnacho in theory should be able to be a good wingback if he works on his decision making, but I suspect his ego won't be happy there.
I've never rated him as highly as some others do, but it'd still be a shame. He's the type of player who should be at least a good impact squad player in a top team, with the possibility of being a starter if he really improves his decision making.
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Casemiro is stupid then too?
Garnacho needs an ego check before he turns into Rashford and Rashford needs it to turn back into old Rashford 19.
After Mount and Antony, Rashford's wages are arguably the biggest waste of money in the squad. No club could justify paying what we do to him. Not even Saudi would be daft enough to fork out our levels on him.
Deciding that we want to sell him is the easy part. Finding a club that takes him and matches his wages when there are 3 years left on his contract is the more complicated issue.
I am struggling to see anyone outside PSG in Europe taking him on. Juventus back in the day were not shy of paying big wages but even they seem to be more conservative now.
I am very doubtful whether he wants to / can move to Saudi.
I am struggling to see anyone outside PSG in Europe taking him on. Juventus back in the day were not shy of paying big wages but even they seem to be more conservative now.
I am very doubtful whether he wants to / can move to Saudi.
I’ve said for a long time that he must be sold. It’s simply not healthy for one of the highest earners in the league to consistently perform so poorly and generally be so inadequate in the buildup, at linking up and off the ball output / effort. It should be a high priority to get rid of him and a few other of our duds.
On Garnacho, he should be given some more time to adapt but if the kid can’t learn to pass the football and develop in multiple areas, then he should meet the same fate.
On Garnacho, he should be given some more time to adapt but if the kid can’t learn to pass the football and develop in multiple areas, then he should meet the same fate.
The real problem for Rashford is that he's 27. Generally that's the peak year. Except he seems to have peaked a couple of years ago and all his bad habits (unprofessionalism) are catching up to him. There is no reasonable expectation that he's suddenly going to wise up and start doing everything right AND return to form. That's going to be harder than his ego can handle.
Garnacho is still young and has time to turn himself into something here.
Garnacho is still young and has time to turn himself into something here.
Exactly. It’s only football, a game. If you love the game you’ll try just as hard as the opposition. If you’re paid a lot it means you’re really good. Like, how does this get lost on our players who repeatedly lose pride? It’s a simple thing surely? Just run like feck and enjoy yourself and get paid and laid
Haha! Nice one. Also.."Do I really look like a guy with a plan?"
Conte would have him frozen out of the team before his plane even landed in Naples
Our signings have been shit for 10 years. Arguably, Bruno has been the only signing in the period post Fergie that fans can agree on being a real, long lasting, success.
Over this period, Rashford, like it or not, has been one of our best players. Who else has scored 138 goals 10 season (9 really as we are only halfway into this season and he made his debut in Feb 2016).
Far more talented players have been signed in this period for huge amounts of money (Sanchez, Di Maria, Lukaku, Sancho to name but a few).
My point is that he gets so much more stick than others who have cost the club tens of millions, had a ruge reputation and been utter flops.
Yes, he has been poor for a year and a half now, his attitude does seem off, he may not be suited to Amorims system, or a more modern style of football, but take what he has done over a 10 year span and he has been one of our brightest lights.
I think far too many people forget this. Beyond wages, he has cost us nothing when we have signed many duds for 60+ million.
Over this period, Rashford, like it or not, has been one of our best players. Who else has scored 138 goals 10 season (9 really as we are only halfway into this season and he made his debut in Feb 2016).
Far more talented players have been signed in this period for huge amounts of money (Sanchez, Di Maria, Lukaku, Sancho to name but a few).
My point is that he gets so much more stick than others who have cost the club tens of millions, had a ruge reputation and been utter flops.
Yes, he has been poor for a year and a half now, his attitude does seem off, he may not be suited to Amorims system, or a more modern style of football, but take what he has done over a 10 year span and he has been one of our brightest lights.
I think far too many people forget this. Beyond wages, he has cost us nothing when we have signed many duds for 60+ million.
Could have been a space GOAT, oh well
I think you pretty well understand why he has to go (and it's been more than a year and a half - he had a couple of bright spots and that's it, only one really great season), but you're not getting past sentimentality. That's what brought Ronaldo back and sank Ole. That's why way too many players have stayed way too long. And over that 10 year span of which you speak, we have struggled. We have to look at the now, and the recent past, and make decisions with our brains, not our hearts. Otherwise, we'll have another 10 years like the last.
1) Take 350k pw and suck it up in the sidelines.
2) Buckle up and earn the spot.
3) Leave.
Your move Marcus.
2) Buckle up and earn the spot.
3) Leave.
Your move Marcus.
SAF always said no one is bigger than the club. If he’s not putting a shift in and sulking and dragging other players into his routine, he’s not being a good role model he needs to go. He’s not a kid anymore others look at him now
He takes 100% of the blame. We are here because of many poor decisions he took in the past 3 years.
I also think we need a much stronger dressing room that holds players accountable, not just a manager. Like under Fergie, you just know the team would have never accepted that
I also think we need a much stronger dressing room that holds players accountable, not just a manager. Like under Fergie, you just know the team would have never accepted that
I think one of the under the radar comment made by Amorim is when he talked about Amad and say something like he's doing well, but let's not overhype him too much , push him down a bit. Don't make the same mistake as previous young players.
He didn't say what players that got overhype but he did this in the match where he dropped 2 of our biggest former and current young players from the squad
He didn't say what players that got overhype but he did this in the match where he dropped 2 of our biggest former and current young players from the squad
Idk why we always do this thing where we put out hitpieces against the players to publicly shame/criticise them, and then wonder why dont we have any buyers lined up, or clubs are lowballing us.
We did it with AWB, did it with Sancho.
Look at Chelsea, did they put out hitpieces against Mount or Havertz? Nope they sold them at a huge price, although they were not wanted, because they didnt publicly put down the players and make them look like damaged goods.
We did it with AWB, did it with Sancho.
Look at Chelsea, did they put out hitpieces against Mount or Havertz? Nope they sold them at a huge price, although they were not wanted, because they didnt publicly put down the players and make them look like damaged goods.
I think we probably tried this mentioned strategy in the summer with no suitors. Lots of stories that we were willing to listen to offers if the right offer came in.
Sheesh
The only shocking thing is that it's taken this long
United should have had a homegrown core of players that could rival the class of 92. I am referring to the likes of Rashford, Pogba, Lingard and Greenwood. Yet every single one of them kind of lost his way. Which throw serious doubt of how kids had been managed at United to make sure that we're grounding them and making sure that they'll getting the correct game/development ratio.
Rashford is the prime example of what's going wrong on that front. He was bled prematurely by LVG in a bid to rescue his career after foolishly opting for a ridiculously small pool of players. Soon enough United made him the face of the brand while successive managers relied on him for goals with no care in the world on keeping him grounded or to further develop his skills. Thus Rashford became this one dimensional players whose only effective in one style of football (counter attacking football) and is ridiculously reliant on pace. Ole ran the kid to the ground and the idiots at the club gave him a contract which, back in the day, made him better paid to the likes of Salah. At one point Rashford became so untouchable that the manager himself had to publicly apologize to him because he dared criticizing him. Can you imagine SAF doing that?
I am in favor of Rashford being sold and I am not denying his share of fault either. He's 27 FFS and he should act as a senior player. However there's so many lessons for us to learn from it especially since we've got such a great bunch of players coming through, one of which is already showing similar traits to those shown by Rashy. I am glad that United had finally implemented a system were kids who aren't making the grade NOW are being sold immediately with a buy back clause attached to it. That's something many clubs had done or are doing (Real, Juventus, Barca) as it acts as a huge motivator for players to get their shit sorted and work hard to go back and prove the club wrong.
Rashford is the prime example of what's going wrong on that front. He was bled prematurely by LVG in a bid to rescue his career after foolishly opting for a ridiculously small pool of players. Soon enough United made him the face of the brand while successive managers relied on him for goals with no care in the world on keeping him grounded or to further develop his skills. Thus Rashford became this one dimensional players whose only effective in one style of football (counter attacking football) and is ridiculously reliant on pace. Ole ran the kid to the ground and the idiots at the club gave him a contract which, back in the day, made him better paid to the likes of Salah. At one point Rashford became so untouchable that the manager himself had to publicly apologize to him because he dared criticizing him. Can you imagine SAF doing that?
I am in favor of Rashford being sold and I am not denying his share of fault either. He's 27 FFS and he should act as a senior player. However there's so many lessons for us to learn from it especially since we've got such a great bunch of players coming through, one of which is already showing similar traits to those shown by Rashy. I am glad that United had finally implemented a system were kids who aren't making the grade NOW are being sold immediately with a buy back clause attached to it. That's something many clubs had done or are doing (Real, Juventus, Barca) as it acts as a huge motivator for players to get their shit sorted and work hard to go back and prove the club wrong.
It's such a pita
Nothing can make me detest Marcus, he is one of us through and through but he's not a kid anymore. Sometimes in life you have to make tough decisions you never thought you'd ever have to make and this is that time with Marcus. He needs to move on, we need to move on, for the betterment of both parties. He needs to leave England preferably and rekindle his love for the game. He'll be more appreciated outside the PL and maybe he can get some joy playing again. Under this new ownership and Amorim, we have the chance to clean up for most part, a mess of a decade. Marcus leaving will be a start, we need a new culture not filled with sentiment but one with an elite mindset towards winning again. Beckham left, Keane left, Ince left, Sharpe left, Hughes left, Stam left, why can't Rashford leave? SAF was ruthless and we need that back.
Who says he'll leave?
Rashford said that he knocked back bigger money to sign his current contract with us.
If that is the case then maybe he won't hang around for the money and go to the club (clubs) that were prepared to cough up the cash.
His form hasn't really changed since he signed his current contract.
If that is the case then maybe he won't hang around for the money and go to the club (clubs) that were prepared to cough up the cash.
His form hasn't really changed since he signed his current contract.
Good post
Makes sense then that he plays like he's doing the club a favour by just being on the pitch.
Doubt it many clubs, if any, would offfer the same salary anymore.
If money is our sole aim, then the strategy is wrong indeed.
Tips hat.
given the age, wages, performances, number of games he plays, general output and his attitude, he's one of the worst players, if not actually the worst, that I've seen at club. the whole deal is simply a nightmare for club.
he's a Brighton/Villa level player being paid and treated like prime Salah. you rarely see a case of such low return being so expensive. it's an insane deal.
he's a Brighton/Villa level player being paid and treated like prime Salah. you rarely see a case of such low return being so expensive. it's an insane deal.
"Everything burns!"
I doubt if any would have back then but that is what he said.
Excellent post. Agree completely.
Having this out in the public domain is one to way to diminish the value of an asset. Probably, just the journalist adding two and two plus a lot of color together to come up with twenty two.
Yes, he needs to move on for the sake of his career and we need to get fresher, hungrier players in. However, I am not comfortable with this public campaign or the fans pinning the entire blame of the mess that we have been at his doorstep. Sometimes things stagnate and you can't find a way out of the rut, it's as simple as that. There is no need for vitriol towards anybody.
Yes, he needs to move on for the sake of his career and we need to get fresher, hungrier players in. However, I am not comfortable with this public campaign or the fans pinning the entire blame of the mess that we have been at his doorstep. Sometimes things stagnate and you can't find a way out of the rut, it's as simple as that. There is no need for vitriol towards anybody.
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You may be right there, GB. Shame to see.
Think we have completely mismanaged his career
and now are openly discussing discarding him as a statement.
He's not exonerated, either, but it's Robbie Fowler style indulgence of a precocious talent and a warning sign for posterity.
Harsh, myopic attitude which seems to conceal your real intent.
Anyway, it's all a bit ten Hag, again. Fair enough we ditch a misfiring member but who is the replacement?
That's the difficult bit.
Gyokeres? Kolo Muani? Good, solid players who'd cost a packet with Rashford levels of return.
Bother.
To be fair we've hardly any players left from the squad that ended the 2022 season.