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Manchester United view sidelining Marcus Rashford as key to cultural reboot
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Neville stumbled on it when back and forth with Richards.
Why, just a month in, would this manager who is full of enthusiasm have just randomly picked rashford as an issue? Hes been crap for almost 2 years and seemingly isn't doing the basics where we can't see. There is no sense including that it's literal deadweight
Why, just a month in, would this manager who is full of enthusiasm have just randomly picked rashford as an issue? Hes been crap for almost 2 years and seemingly isn't doing the basics where we can't see. There is no sense including that it's literal deadweight
Yup... I doubt it's a done deal but it's definitely a "shape up or ship out" to the 2 of them.
Rashford in particular, given his age and status at the club, should be thinking long and hard about how he's managed to convince a new manager that he might be better off without him after 4 weeks.
Garnacho needs an ego check, plenty of talent but a LOT to prove.
This is part of the cultural problem the club has, young players trading on reputation & ego rather than on performance; Pogba, Lingard, Rashford, Garnacho (albeit to a lesser extent, but there's a pattern).
Then, add to that, and ask who are the senior pros setting an example to the younger guys? The days where we had the likes of Robson, Giggs, Keane, Neville etc are gone and the "senior" players we've brought in in the last decade have mostly come for a pay day.
I doubt Rashford has it in him at 27 to readjust to what RA is going to want from him, a fresh start somewhere else is probably best for all concerned (hope I'm wrong), Garnacho, well it all depends on how far down the "I'm a superstar" rabbit hole he's gone.
Since when did he become a club legend?
Well his salary at 520000 per week is legendary.
With Garnacho, I wonder is it more he’s looked at the new system and thought ‘I cannot play, where am I meant to play? I’m not a wingback’ and his ego is telling him he’s a good winger, and he shouldn’t have to be flexible.
The mad thing is that Rashford is the same age now as Keane et al when they were senior pros, setting standards for the youngsters. For him to be bundled in alongside a teenager as the two squad members who most need to raise their standards is such a damning indictment of his professionalism.
along with the week of debate everywhere you had Keane saying its maybe time to move, and Neville not defending him anymore. Just feels like the tide has turned on him
We really do not have bigger fish to fry. Rashford has been treated bigger than the club itself for years now and his performances do not justify it. Selling Rashford is indeed crucial to setting the culture of expected high standards. He needs to go, and we can wish him best of luck but there will be no rebuild if he is kept on astronomical wages while he is not even a bench player for England squad and deservedly is not there
Don't underestimate the impact of a power vaccum. Not just from SAF but David Gill too. On top of that you had their brilliance hiding the sting of the Glazer ownership.
Arrested development... he's had smoke blown up his hole, earned a couple of hundred grand a week since he was in his early 20s, and had no one around him to tell him anything he hasn't wanted to hear.
fecking off to the States for a few days when your team is 13th, with a new manager days away from coming in... probably not a decision anyone with an ounce of self awareness would make.
Haha great shout but I tend to think you’d get all the negative posts about how much keeping him would cost the club and the thread would be even busier.
Rashford is the same age now that Keane was when he captained United to the Treble. Standards.
Maybe yeah, then contrast that with Amad, who I'm also now conscious that shouldn't be seen as the great new hope.
Similar aged players, but Amad hasn't had all the smoke blown up his hole yet, has come into the team worked hard, done what's been asked of him and is now starting while Garnacho is left out of the squad....
That's a signpost Garna... as I said, it all depends how much he's bought into his own hype.
Rashford is no club legend.
He needs removing from the club urgently, before the good memories of him as a decent player in his youth become soured.
Amad has always struck me as humble. I’ve never seen that from Garnacho
Nah he’s worth a lot to a club for his brand, even if he just is average in a weaker league. Reckon he’d tear it up in Serie A, it’s a bit slower and his decline in pace won’t be an issue. I’d like to see him do well, maybe he’ll go join McT.
Was it the shaved eyebrows, turkey teeth, or the full sleeve tattoos @ 19 that first aroused your suspicions?
The platinum blonde look for me. Being cool comes at a price.
Kindly, please check with Ed Woodward.
Stephen Howson the youtuber is saying that the story has leaked about what happened with atleast one of these players. And it's not exactly a secret anymore. Wonder if any local fans know what happened that led to them being dropped. Gta be something scandalous and not just training poorly to be dropped from the squad altogether.
Hoped at the start that rashford was gonna end up a club legend get goals record etc.
He should be the one fighting in the changing rooms with those not being disciplined and putting effort in etc. should basically be his club but clearly no pride in the club or himself.
Fair play the gaffer no saying it’s for discipline reasons to try keep things in house but we all know it is. Not first time.
He should be the one fighting in the changing rooms with those not being disciplined and putting effort in etc. should basically be his club but clearly no pride in the club or himself.
Fair play the gaffer no saying it’s for discipline reasons to try keep things in house but we all know it is. Not first time.
I just don't see how Rashford and Garnacho fit into this system. They are only good at running at defenders. The 2 AMs must be good at retaining possession, good passers, and have a good football IQ. Those two have never consistently shown those skills.
I agree with most of the comments here about Rashford, but Garnacho. I think he's improved greatly this season in passing to people in a better scoring position, he tracks back and defends.
There is something that I'm not seeing with him.
There is something that I'm not seeing with him.
The rumour going around is a club/nightclub visit that impacted training. Just not sure how we’d know … thought it was just SAF with a network of spies.
Best thing for all.
The moment he wasn't in the matchday squad you just knew this was in the cards for the rest of the week.
Is it the club fueling it? Doesn't make much sense to run down the asset. Kudos though for not doing the opposite and insisting he has to be on the bench at worst.
Is it the club fueling it? Doesn't make much sense to run down the asset. Kudos though for not doing the opposite and insisting he has to be on the bench at worst.
Me neither. I think Garnacho will last another season but he's not a 10.
A city fan told me this at work today
It's the only place I can see him going to. PSG could afford him but let's be honest he just isn't worth it. Even Beckham can't justify that pay check !!
If only someone at the club had the brains to spot he was a toxic presence back when he had sky high value, and before we'd offered a £90m new contract to someone who cant be arsed to run.
In fairness, many had been advocating for Amad to evolve into a 10 and not a winger. With Bruno there, I thought he was toast and would never get such a responsibility placed on his shoulders.
Now we have two inside forward slots, which works great for him. In the meantime, that doesn't work great for Garnacho at all.
The way I see it, there's still room for one of Rashford or Garnacho to have a role in this squad, but not both and not as a definite starter.
It may well be neither is up for it, but if I had to pick one or even expect one to find his way around it, it sure as feck would be Garnacho.
He has to go. Hes on 18m a year. Does naff all. Sets a bad tone.
You need Salah, Kane or better numbers to justify that wage.
Every contract negotiation will use him as a reference point. Its untenable for INEOS to keep him.
Problem is, nobody will pay money for him. Our only choice is to let him leave on loan and even then we may not get someone to fully cover his wages.
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You may be joking, but it really is though. £425k a week is crazy money.
His value is probably closer to £100k a week at the moment, instead of the £445k he’s reportedly on.
Rashy was amazing when breaking into first team for us. Wish we knew what happened to him, but perhaps pay and fame has him satisfied enough to not care. PSG or Chelsea would be great for him, but £465k is a juicy salary to pay for any club.
But who will take him on £475k a week? We can hope Saudi come in for him
The club can only blame themselves after handing those contracts and setting very low standards by making someone like Rashford one of their top earners. No wonder the culture has been so toxic over there for so long, it's the right call but I wonder if you're going to be able to sell him.
He’s far from “club legend” he’s been awful and has been given more chances then he deserves. Sell him and move on!!!
Best TV show ever. Maybe he's Job?