Manchester United view sidelining Marcus Rashford as key to cultural reboot

Doesn't seem to have galvanized the rest of the squad yet.

Hopefully we can make some clever buys if we get a good fee for him and long term look better off.

I think the issues with Sancho and Rashford are linked to the managers. Rashford was really onside with ETH in the beginning, in the best form but when Sancho was sent away for training and also called out in the press he's been quiet quitting for ETH since then. Amorim comes in, I expected him to get Rashford onside with his reputation for getting on with players and get a good run before selling but we have the manager talking openly about his training standards, dress type and questions by Amorim about the people around him. For Rashford this would be step too far and time to go.

For me I would look to manage the players better and then sell to get a higher fee if still not pulling 100% rather than banish them or call them out or you can look at it another way at least for Amorim possibly better off long term easing him out quickly. He's our only peak age player with proven quality and really could've done with him.
 
MancunianAngels said:
What standards? People decide they don't like a player and say he's to blame for the all the major issues like they did with Ashley Young, like they did with Fellaini, like they did with Di Maria, Pogba, Sanchez, Lukaku, Lingard, Maguire, McTominay, Fred and then wonder why nothing changes when that player is replaced with another scapegoat.
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It is clear as day that Rashford had huge problems in the past years. You kbow what happened under Fergie when he felt the player was not up to it anymore? Exactly
 
So there are 2 main theories circulating about him:

1. The board want him out, for that reason he was sidelined in order to alienate him and make him want to leave.
2. Amorim does not like the way he plays/trains and he was the one who sidelined him for competence reasons.

I am missing anything?
 
lsd said:
Nothing at United makes any sense anymore. It just seems to me the decision has been made to force him out as soon as possible and I'm just hoping it's too raise funds to bring in players that will make the difference for us.

I do feel bad that we are doing this to a a guy who's been here since he was ten years old and is a decent person.

However as we have seen time and time again it's very easy for the media and people in charge to make people believe what they want and follow them blindly.
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Maybe we do want to cut our losses. But his fall from grace has gone on for so long, with so many different reports about his poor attitude over that long period of time for this to be some sort of hatchet job from within. If anything I’m sure the club has been doing everything possible to shut down all those stories, as it will cost them millions. We’ll probably hear a whole load more dirty laundry being aired when he’s gone.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Is it worth reminding everyone that this lad scored twice in his last Premier League game in the last time we played ok as a team?
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LO.L. Fair point

I saw someone on X/Twitter say it might be like when we sold Ruud. Ignoring the fact he had Rooney/Ronaldo about to emerge and that team had finished 2nd not 8th.

Escobar said:
It is clear as day that Rashford had huge problems in the past years. You kbow what happened under Fergie when he felt the player was not up to it anymore? Exactly
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Fergie would have probably not killed him when was in his early 20s by playing him every week then leaked rumours to the press about his alleged lack of commitment
Jericholyte2 said:
Melissa Reddy did a great job going through Rashford, can we have someone do similar for Bruno?
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LO.L.

So Fernandes is the next scapegoat. Who's after him? Saw Mainoo smile on his Instagram story last week....
 
MancunianAngels said:
What goods it doing though? Like genuinely?

We made a statement about dropping two of our attacking players and ultimately nothing has changed.

The fact this thread is top of the forum when he hasn't played suggests a weird dynamic of people who still see Rashford as the main problem
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You don’t need to remind me—I’m a well-known Rashford supporter here. However, anyone who sees Rashford as the sole problem, or still insists he is, can only be described as shortsighted. That’s why I made the point about sidelining other players; this situation clearly extends beyond just Rashford.

That said, from Amorim’s perspective, he needs to establish authority and set clear expectations. He’s done that with Rashford and a few others, and while the results haven’t been favourable so far, I don’t think he should reverse course. Amorim himself acknowledged that things might get worse before they improve, and I believe there will be many more moments this season that leave us frustrated and questioning the process. But progress takes time, and we have to be patient.
 
We desperately need to balance the books and have an underperforming star who isn't getting any younger on silly wages.

It clearly makes sense to get rid.
 
MancunianAngels said:
LO.L. Fair point

I saw someone on X/Twitter say it might be like when we sold Ruud. Ignoring the fact he had Rooney/Ronaldo about to emerge and that team had finished 2nd not 8th.


Fergie would have probably not killed him when was in his early 20s by playing him every week then leaked rumours to the press about his alleged lack of commitment

LO.L.

So Fernandes is the next scapegoat. Who's after him? Saw Mainoo smile on his Instagram story last week....
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Who said the next scapegoat? I’ve been saying this about Bruno for the last 2.5yrs.
 
Unless Rashford is being really toxic behind the scenes, this feels quite badly handled. There's clearly something wrong with Rashford (seems more pertinent him getting subbed by ETH at HT vs Porto despite looking very dangerous etc, due to his work rate) but unless we have a permanent transfer lined up in January, why now?

SAF didn't do a "cultural reboot" when Rooney said the squad was shit and put in a transfer request to join City. I'm not comparing them as players, but I'm highlighting the pragmatism. Would be interested in how Arteta dealt with Aubmeyang too in terms of timeline.

Why not give him the same treatment as Garnacho. Dropped, but back in the squad and still in the dog house clearly without everyone asking every week. As it stands it's basically a self inflicted battle which Amorim has to "win" and can only be won by Rashford being sold. Unfortunately we actually need him even with his relative lack of form and work rate.

I know Amorim says it's his choice only, but I wonder if that's because Ineos are saying unless you get him off the books you have no money to spend.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Who said the next scapegoat? I’ve been saying this about Bruno for the last 2.5yrs.
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But it's the genuine pattern amongst our support.

Slightly flashy attacking player leaves. Fans say it's the "start of our new era". Team performs slightly better for a period. Results return to their inconsistent past. Fans decide on a new scapegoat and decide he's the main problem.
 
Eugenius said:
Unless Rashford is being really toxic behind the scenes, this feels quite badly handled. There's clearly something wrong with Rashford (seems more pertinent him getting subbed by ETH at HT vs Porto despite looking very dangerous etc, due to his work rate) but unless we have a permanent transfer lined up in January, why now?

SAF didn't do a "cultural reboot" when Rooney said the squad was shit and put in a transfer request to join City. I'm not comparing them as players, but I'm highlighting the pragmatism. Would be interested in how Arteta dealt with Aubmeyang too in terms of timeline.

Why not give him the same treatment as Garnacho. Dropped, but back in the squad and still in the dog house clearly without everyone asking every week. As it stands it's basically a self inflicted battle which Amorim has to "win" and can only be won by Rashford being sold. Unfortunately we actually need him even with his relative lack of form and work rate.

I know Amorim says it's his choice only, but I wonder if that's because Ineos are saying unless you get him off the books you have no money to spend.
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I don't think Amorim has any say in this and the decision has been taken out of his hands and he is under orders to go along with it.

I keep going back to the banner a few weeks ago and how he was completely silent about it.

Anyone who grew up under Fergie would know what his reaction would be if United fans unveiled a banner like that about their own player.

Whether he's asked about Rashford he gives the same answer with no real conviction at all
 
Eugenius said:
Unless Rashford is being really toxic behind the scenes, this feels quite badly handled. There's clearly something wrong with Rashford (seems more pertinent him getting subbed by ETH at HT vs Porto despite looking very dangerous etc, due to his work rate) but unless we have a permanent transfer lined up in January, why now?

SAF didn't do a "cultural reboot" when Rooney said the squad was shit and put in a transfer request to join City. I'm not comparing them as players, but I'm highlighting the pragmatism. Would be interested in how Arteta dealt with Aubmeyang too in terms of timeline.

Why not give him the same treatment as Garnacho. Dropped, but back in the squad and still in the dog house clearly without everyone asking every week. As it stands it's basically a self inflicted battle which Amorim has to "win" and can only be won by Rashford being sold. Unfortunately we actually need him even with his relative lack of form and work rate.

I know Amorim says it's his choice only, but I wonder if that's because Ineos are saying unless you get him off the books you have no money to spend.
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SAF sold a Stam, RVN without hesitation, ffs he even got rid of a world class Beckham.
 
As mentioned before, Rashford is still one of the better forwards in the club. Besides Bruno who is also inconsistent, there isn't any forward who is definitely better than him at the moment.
 
fergiewherearethou said:
So there are 2 main theories circulating about him:

1. The board want him out, for that reason he was sidelined in order to alienate him and make him want to leave.
2. Amorim does not like the way he plays/trains and he was the one who sidelined him for competence reasons.

I am missing anything?
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Does he have a clause in his contract that if he is in the squad he starts a high percentage of games?
 
Escobar said:
SAF sold a Stam, RVN without hesitation, ffs he even got rid of a world class Beckham.
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He got rid of them on his terms is what I'm saying. He didn't completely banish them immediately or publicly (despite Beckham apparently leaking team news to Madrid when we played them, RvN being toxic in training etc). And really the underlying reason he got rid was because he thought they were past their best.
 
When asked today, Anorim implied that Rashford remains out of the squad due to there being no improvement in the facets that caused him to be dropped initially e.g. training performance.

More power to Amorim, imo.
 
I'm David Moyes damnit said:
When asked today, Anorim implied that Rashford remains out of the squad due to there being no improvement in the facets that caused him to be dropped initially e.g. training performance.

More power to Amorim, imo.
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There's definitely more issues than just Rashford, and I'm not blaming him for our woes. But when you're in 14th place, desperate for someone to make a difference, and you can't rely on a lifelong United fan with tonnes of ability, who instead would rather brief the press, then we're kind of fecked.
 
As shit as he has been, he’s still the clubs best option for scoring goals. Which just shows how utterly catastrophic our recruitment has been.
 
Captmfla said:
As mentioned before, Rashford is still one of the better forwards in the club. Besides Bruno who is also inconsistent, there isn't any forward who is definitely better than him at the moment.
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When half the time he looks like he would rather be at home in front of the TV, it isn't really saying much. He might have talent, but his attitude is questionable. If there are issue going on his life then he needs to discuss it with someone at the club.
 
Eugenius said:
Unless Rashford is being really toxic behind the scenes, this feels quite badly handled. There's clearly something wrong with Rashford (seems more pertinent him getting subbed by ETH at HT vs Porto despite looking very dangerous etc, due to his work rate) but unless we have a permanent transfer lined up in January, why now?

SAF didn't do a "cultural reboot" when Rooney said the squad was shit and put in a transfer request to join City. I'm not comparing them as players, but I'm highlighting the pragmatism. Would be interested in how Arteta dealt with Aubmeyang too in terms of timeline.

Why not give him the same treatment as Garnacho. Dropped, but back in the squad and still in the dog house clearly without everyone asking every week. As it stands it's basically a self inflicted battle which Amorim has to "win" and can only be won by Rashford being sold. Unfortunately we actually need him even with his relative lack of form and work rate.

I know Amorim says it's his choice only, but I wonder if that's because Ineos are saying unless you get him off the books you have no money to spend.
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Maybe because one of them spouted some bullshit about wanting a new challenge and created all the drama.
 
Captmfla said:
As mentioned before, Rashford is still one of the better forwards in the club. Besides Bruno who is also inconsistent, there isn't any forward who is definitely better than him at the moment.
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Short memories in here. He’s beyond useless, doesn’t even do the basics ie put some effort in. Doesn’t fit anywhere in the system, seems more interested in his off field activities. He needs to be kept away, it’s took us far too long to take him to task and the club and fans have enabled his bullshit.

If he were playing, everyone would still be complaining about him.
 
Hopefully going forward the club can learn from this episode and the likes of the Sancho one last season. That these things are best handled much more low key and behind closed doors. The media live for this shit, and whether some will admit it or not once they spin something like this into a huge drama. There's a decent chance it does affect the club and team to some extent.
 
The Serpent said:
Yeah taking our leagues top gaol scorer out of the team is really showing the world cultural reboot. If only Rashford dressed like a hobo and drove a Honda or Fiat maybe he would get in the team.

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face just to appease fans. Reminds me of the sancho situation the needless attempt to assert authority in order to try and endeavour yourself to the rapid fans who need a scapegoat
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He’s told us that he wants to leave. Why are you wasting your time defending someone who doesn’t want to be at United anymore? I don’t understand the mentality
 
stevoc said:
Hopefully going forward the club can learn from this episode and the likes of the Sancho one last season. That these things are best handled much more low key and behind closed doors. The media live for this shit, and whether some will admit it or not once they spin something like this into a huge drama. There's a decent chance it does affect the club and team to some extent.
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The club are within their rights to drop him (and rightly so). The coach has been saying the right things about him which differed from ETH and Sancho. Rashford made this bigger than it needed by his interview effectively saying that he wanted to go. Most players who are dropped keep their head down and work to get back in. Not him. Can’t wait to see the back of him at this stage, he just brings unwanted media pressure / circus
 
MF1138 said:
Everyone but the idiots running the club at the time knew not to give him that contract. I don't know how we'll manage to move him on easily. This could get messy for a while.
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They really thought he was English Mbappe. Clueless idiots
 
Whilst I’m fully in the camp for selling Rashford, there is a small part of me that is desperate for him to turn it on in training and make himself unsellable. I’d much rather Casemiro sold and free wages that way.
 
soapythecat said:
Whilst I’m fully in the camp for selling Rashford, there is a small part of me that is desperate for him to turn it on in training and make himself unsellable. I’d much rather Casemiro sold and free wages that way.
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He’s had years to do that, I doubt he’s going to change now
 
soapythecat said:
Whilst I’m fully in the camp for selling Rashford, there is a small part of me that is desperate for him to turn it on in training and make himself unsellable. I’d much rather Casemiro sold and free wages that way.
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If this is his first chance, maybe. But he has had multiple of it. And this time it looks like something irreversible. People move on with their lives one way or another.
 
golden_blunder said:
He’s told us that he wants to leave. Why are you wasting your time defending someone who doesn’t want to be at United anymore? I don’t understand the mentality
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He really hasn't said he wants to leave
 
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