Manchester United view sidelining Marcus Rashford as key to cultural reboot

I am glad he is not in our team. He has gotten away with half hearted effort for the past 3 years. Doesn't even try.

Please go away, Marcus. You are a good human being but not someone who can form the spine of the club's return.
 
He is becoming Amorim’s Sancho. We don’t know the details but I would hazard a guess that to simply be part of the squad, the manager isn’t asking for too much from Rashford. This likely represents Rashford’s stubbornness and unprofessionalism. Like I said earlier, I feel Sancho has had a bad influence on him.
 
Red in STL said:
If you said imitating a fop level footballer you'd have a case

Imitating a rapper is meaningless, let's face it, I bet many of us on here have done an air guitar impression at one time or another, same sort of thing
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If he was ripping up the league or even performing around his own max no one would care. But at least 2 seasons of dross make people look at the whole of the player and draw judgement.
 
It’s an interesting timeline:

Sunday - Rashford not selected for City match.

Monday - club apparently briefs media that Rashford is up for sale as part of a cultural reboot.

Also Monday - Melissa Reddy article that Rashford is a “serial offender” and that United have been trying to sell him all year, but there are no buyers, in part due to his off-field behaviour.

Tuesday - Rashford interview saying that he doesn’t want to make a bad situation worse and that he won’t make it difficult (presumably meaning if the club want to sell him).

Sunday - Melissa Reddy article repeating claims Rashford is a “poor trainer” and how his approach (of wanting to ”move on” - from his interview on Tuesday - being the day after she’d explained how the club has been trying to sell him all year) is contradictory to his image.

Now, all the above doesn’t make much sense to me. Rashford’s interview seems fine - he’s been told the club wants him out and doesn’t intend to make it difficult. However, why is someone briefing to try and seemingly drive down his price/reputation? If he’s the feckless layabout that seems to be being portrayed, isn’t he just going to sit tight for the next 4 years taking his £300k a week?
 
Going to be interesting when he leaves. Not only to see if he can get back to form but if he does, just what exactly caused him to turn to absolute turd.
 
Doracle said:
It’s an interesting timeline:

Sunday - Rashford not selected for City match.

Monday - club apparently briefs media that Rashford is up for sale as part of a cultural reboot.

Also Monday - Melissa Reddy article that Rashford is a “serial offender” and that United have been trying to sell him all year, but there are no buyers, in part due to his off-field behaviour.

Tuesday - Rashford interview saying that he doesn’t want to make a bad situation worse and that he won’t make it difficult (presumably meaning if the club want to sell him).

Sunday - Melissa Reddy article repeating claims Rashford is a “poor trainer” and how his approach (of wanting to ”move on” - from his interview on Tuesday - being the day after she’d explained how the club has been trying to sell him all year) is contradictory to his image.

Now, all the above doesn’t make much sense to me. Rashford’s interview seems fine - he’s been told the club wants him out and doesn’t intend to make it difficult. However, why is someone briefing to try and seemingly drive down his price/reputation? If he’s the feckless layabout that seems to be being portrayed, isn’t he just going to sit tight for the next 4 years taking his £300k a week?
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Makes perfect sense when you factor in it's already been agreed he'll leave. I think the club were just briefing so it's not a total surprise, then Rashford got in a huff because he wanted to announce it himself.
 
I haven't seen anyone make the claim that Rashford is the only problem at the club or the root of our problems over the past decade. The "scapegoat" argument sounds to me like a convenient strawman that's been created to shut down any and all criticism.
 
SilentWitness said:
Going to be interesting when he leaves. Not only to see if he can get back to form but if he does, just what exactly caused him to turn to absolute turd.
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Much like pogba I'm certain the company he keeps won't help.

You just know he's surrounded by people that blow smoke up his arse at every opportunity. It's probably the reason rashford walks around in a dreamworld because he's surrounded by people constantly telling him how great he is.
 
SilentWitness said:
Going to be interesting when he leaves. Not only to see if he can get back to form but if he does, just what exactly caused him to turn to absolute turd.
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Rashford has averaged around 8 PL goals per season in 9 seasons though he has had standout performances in 22/23 with 30 goals in all competitions. I am curious which version of Rashford form you are referring to.

season (games) goals
24/25 (15) 4
23/24 (33) 7
22/23 (35) 17
21/22 (25) 4
20/21 (37) 11
19/20 (31) 17
18/19 (33) 10
17/18 (35) 7
16/17 (32) 5
15/16 (11) 5
 
red.knight said:
Rashford has averaged around 8 PL goals per season in 9 seasons though he has had standout performances in 22/23 with 30 goals in all competitions. I am curious which version of Rashford form you are referring to.

season (games) goals
24/25 (15) 4
23/24 (33) 7
22/23 (35) 17
21/22 (25) 4
20/21 (37) 11
19/20 (31) 17
18/19 (33) 10
17/18 (35) 7
16/17 (32) 5
15/16 (11) 5
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He was getting 20+ goal contributions a season in 18/19, 19/20 and 20/21. Dipped and then fired back in 22/23. Since then though he's been rubbish. I'd say he had a pretty good 3-5 years.
 
red.knight said:
Rashford has averaged around 8 PL goals per season in 9 seasons though he has had standout performances in 22/23 with 30 goals in all competitions. I am curious which version of Rashford form you are referring to.

season (games) goals
24/25 (15) 4
23/24 (33) 7
22/23 (35) 17
21/22 (25) 4
20/21 (37) 11
19/20 (31) 17
18/19 (33) 10
17/18 (35) 7
16/17 (32) 5
15/16 (11) 5
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Have many other left wingers in the premier league era averaged more than that from the ages of 18-26?
 
SilentWitness said:
He was getting 20+ goal contributions a season in 18/19, 19/20 and 20/21. Dipped and then fired back in 22/23. Since then though he's been rubbish. I'd say he had a pretty good 3-5 years.
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I included his assists. Rashford recorded 20+ goal contributions only in 3 seasons in 19/20, 20/21 and 22/23. Even if we focus solely on his best seasons (18/19, 19/20, 20/21 and 22/23) his average output is approximately 14 goals and 7 assists per season. I raise my question again. Which version of Rashford form should we consider as the benchmark to determine how good he is.

season (games) (goals) assists
24/25 (15) (4) 1
23/24 (33) (7) 2
22/23 (35) (17) 5
21/22 (25) (4) 2
20/21 (37) (11) 9
19/20 (31) (17) 7
18/19 (33) (10) 6
17/18 (35) (7) 5
16/17 (32) (5) 1
15/16 (11) (5) 2
 
red.knight said:
I included his assists. Rashford recorded 20+ goal contributions only in 3 seasons in 19/20, 20/21 and 22/23. Even if we focus solely on his best seasons (18/19, 19/20, 20/21 and 22/23) his average output is approximately 14 goals and 7 assists per season. I raise my question again. Which version of Rashford form should we consider as the benchmark to determine how good he is.

season (games) (goals) assists
24/25 (15) (4) 1
23/24 (33) (7) 2
22/23 (35) (17) 5
21/22 (25) (4) 2
20/21 (37) (11) 9
19/20 (31) (17) 7
18/19 (33) (10) 6
17/18 (35) (7) 5
16/17 (32) (5) 1
15/16 (11) (5) 2
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Nope. He had 20 goal contributions in 18/19.

Sorry but if you're looking at a 14 goals and 7 assists average over 4/5 seasons and saying that isn't good then you're an idiot.

Like I said - he had a good 3-5 years. If he can get back to that form, he will have a good career at his next club.
 
Doracle said:
Have many other left wingers in the premier league era averaged more than that from the ages of 18-26?
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Whether left or right, all the top wingers I can think of have better goal/assist stats than Rashford. How many of them are on £350k/week?

Cristiano Ronaldo
Mohamed Salah
Sadio Mane
Son Heung-min
Eden Hazard
Cole Palmer
 
Big Ben Foster said:
I haven't seen anyone make the claim that Rashford is the only problem at the club or the root of our problems over the past decade. The "scapegoat" argument sounds to me like a convenient strawman that's been created to shut down any and all criticism.
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Yeah, somewhat. It's absolutely undeniable we've had a problem with player culture as well as managers. I read an interview with Phil Jones who said Martial was the worst trainer at the club and just couldn't care less about picking up fines for being late- he was at the club for 9 years. Sums it up.
 
SilentWitness said:
Nope. He had 20 goal contributions in 18/19.

Sorry but if you're looking at a 14 goals and 7 assists average over 4/5 seasons and saying that isn't good then you're an idiot.

Like I said - he had a good 3-5 years. If he can get back to that form, he will have a good career at his next club.
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Me, an idiot? Nope.

First, he scored 10 goals and provided 6 assists in the PL during the 18/19 season. Second, he averages 14 goals and 7 assists in his 4 best seasons. Meanwhile, in his other 6 more typical seasons, he has averaged only 5 goals and 2 assists. Oh and he's earning £350k per week.

I ask you one last time. Which version of Rashford form should we use as the benchmark to assess how good he really is. 14 goals and 7 assists in his 4 best seasons or 5 goals and 2 assists in his more typical seasons?
 
red.knight said:
Me, an idiot? Nope.

First, he scored 10 goals and provided 6 assists in the PL during the 18/19 season. Second, he averages 14 goals and 7 assists in his 4 best seasons. Meanwhile, in his other 6 more typical seasons, he has averaged only 5 goals and 2 assists. Oh and he's earning £350k per week.

I ask you one last time. Which version of Rashford form should we use as the benchmark to assess how good he really is. 14 goals and 7 assists in his 4 best seasons or 5 goals and 2 assists in his more typical seasons?
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I'm not talking about the PL. I'm talking about seasons. Other competitions exist.

His wage is irrelevant. The argument was about form.

I think it's fair to assess the period between 18/19 and 22/23 as his best and that was a very good player. That's his benchmark to get back to. His talent and best level is that. It's up to him at his next club to work hard and achieve that.
 
SilentWitness said:
I'm not talking about the PL. I'm talking about seasons. Other competitions exist.

His wage is irrelevant. The argument was about form.

I think it's fair to assess the period between 18/19 and 22/23 as his best and that was a very good player. That's his benchmark to get back to. His talent and best level is that. It's up to him at his next club to work hard and achieve that.
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His wage is very relevant in my opinion. Players earning such salaries are expected to make important contributions that justify the financial investment. Rashford is among the PL highest earners. At that level, there is a certain expectation not just for consistent performances but also for significant contributions in terms of goals and assists.
 
red.knight said:
His wage is very relevant in my opinion. Players earning such salaries are expected to make important contributions that justify the financial investment. Rashford is among the PL highest earners. At that level, there is a certain expectation not just for consistent performances but also for significant contributions in terms of goals and assists.
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It has nothing to do with the argument you first presented in response to me.
 
SilentWitness said:
It has nothing to do with the argument you first presented in response to me.
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Okay, fair enough. Time will tell how Rashford performs in the coming years whether at United or elsewhere. As a United lad who came through the academy, I wish him nothing but success.
 
SilentWitness said:
Going to be interesting when he leaves. Not only to see if he can get back to form but if he does, just what exactly caused him to turn to absolute turd.
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Same thing with Sancho, Garnacho on today’s and many other performances, Elanga similar. Things are not right within the club. Fans will never know the reasons, but happy players play better.
 
Champ said:
Yup, read my post and you'll understand
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I read and understood fine the first time. You're not in agreement with the OP and think that view is a minority and think I'm a, using your own words, "fool" for engaging them.

Can I just enjoy a discussion with someone here with alternate viewpoints without being called a fool for it?
 
Get Rashy out he's clearly the reason we're so crap.
Even though he's not played in the last 2 tepid defeats.
 
SilentWitness said:
Going to be interesting when he leaves. Not only to see if he can get back to form but if he does, just what exactly caused him to turn to absolute turd.
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Like with Sancho, I couldn't care less.
It is evident that he is not up for it anymore. We have a new manager and are in a shitty situation, yet he continues with his poor training performances and attitude. Zero effort or push to get us out of our misery. That to me is unacceptable and better to sell
 
Sandikan said:
Get Rashy out he's clearly the reason we're so crap.
Even though he's not played in the last 2 tepid defeats.
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Do you think that things would have been different if Rashy was on the pitch jogging around like he usually does? Shouldn't we expect Salah like performances from a player whose being paid like Salah?
 
There's always a problem with a big player. Di Maria, Schweinsteiger, Ronaldo, Sancho, Rashford. Something is very wrong within the club.
 
devilish said:
Do you think that things would have been different if Rashy was on the pitch jogging around like he usually does? Shouldn't we expect Salah like performances from a player whose being paid like Salah?
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It's the other way around.

We shouldn't have paid someone Salah wages when he's not on that level. That's on the club.

But I agree that adding him into the mix these last games wouldn't have helped one bit.
 
SilentWitness said:
I'm not talking about the PL. I'm talking about seasons. Other competitions exist.

His wage is irrelevant. The argument was about form.

I think it's fair to assess the period between 18/19 and 22/23 as his best and that was a very good player. That's his benchmark to get back to. His talent and best level is that. It's up to him at his next club to work hard and achieve that.
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Even within that “best” period you mention he was wildly inconsistent. In 2022/22 he played 25 league games and scored 4 goals. That is not the return of a “very good player”. He averaged 12 league goals per season in that period. Which is ok but nowhere near the return you’d see from the best players in his position in the league. And believe me, without the goals he brings nothing to the team. He’s always been a complete nonentity when we’re not in possession of the ball.

Even in his best ever season he had a long spells where he was absolutely useless. On fire before and after the WC but hopeless in the season run in. So again, “very good player” is an exaggeration. And those were his best seasons! His last two have been woeful.
 
erikcred said:
It's the other way around.

We shouldn't have paid someone Salah wages when he's not on that level. That's on the club.

But I agree that adding him into the mix these last games wouldn't have helped one bit.
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it cuts both ways mate. If a player is paid 360k a week then he has to play like a 360k a week player. Its as simple as that. On those ridiculous salary everything he does off the pitch pales in comparison. He's paid to play as a 360k a week player and anything less makes that player a liability.

There were bigger players then him who learnt that the hard way (ex Keane) while others who simply played the game, he racked as much money as possible and then rode off the sunset (ex Vieri)
 
cultural reboot maybe but I'd say there's a fair chance this is an economic reboot with Rashford representing pure profit and his c200k a week off the wage bill
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Even within that “best” period you mention he was wildly inconsistent. In 2022/22 he played 25 league games and scored 4 goals. That is not the return of a “very good player”. He averaged 12 league goals per season in that period. Which is ok but nowhere near the return you’d see from the best players in his position in the league. And believe me, without the goals he brings nothing to the team. He’s always been a complete nonentity when we’re not in possession of the ball.

Even in his best ever season he had a long spells where he was absolutely useless. On fire before and after the WC but hopeless in the season run in. So again, “very good player” is an exaggeration. And those were his best seasons! His last two have been woeful.
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I don't think it's an exaggeration to name him a very good player at his best.
 
SilentWitness said:
I don't think it's an exaggeration to name him a very good player at his best.
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At his best.

We don’t see his best very often.

The inconsistency has dialled up since his injury. I think he’s lost his explosiveness and a yard of pace.

he of course doesn’t even try to distract by increasing the amount of pressing or tracking back

As Baz would say he’s been dining out of past success for a long time now
 
golden_blunder said:
At his best.

We don’t see his best very often.

The inconsistency has dialled up since his injury. I think he’s lost his explosiveness and a yard of pace.

he of course doesn’t even try to distract by increasing the amount of pressing or tracking back

As Baz would say he’s been dining out of past success for a long time now
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I think during that 3-5 year period you did though. In the last two years he's definitely lost his way, and it remains to be seen if that's purely personal, the club or a mix of both. His next club will indicate that.
 
CG1010 said:
He is becoming Amorim’s Sancho. We don’t know the details but I would hazard a guess that to simply be part of the squad, the manager isn’t asking for too much from Rashford. This likely represents Rashford’s stubbornness and unprofessionalism. Like I said earlier, I feel Sancho has had a bad influence on him.
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Birds of a feather flock together.
 
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