Manchester United view sidelining Marcus Rashford as key to cultural reboot

After seeing him imitating a rapper at the basketball game recently, I thought he had to go.
You can only behave like that if doing fantastic things on the pitch.
He is an average player, on huge wages, with a huge ego.
Gotta get rid of him ASAP!!!!
 
sunama said:
After seeing him imitating a rapper at the basketball game recently, I thought he had to go.
You can only behave like that if doing fantastic things on the pitch.
He is an average player, on huge wages, with a huge ego.
Gotta get rid of him ASAP!!!!
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Why?
 
sunama said:
After seeing him imitating a rapper at the basketball game recently, I thought he had to go.
You can only behave like that if doing fantastic things on the pitch.
He is an average player, on huge wages, with a huge ego.
Gotta get rid of him ASAP!!!!
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If you said imitating a fop level footballer you'd have a case

Imitating a rapper is meaningless, let's face it, I bet many of us on here have done an air guitar impression at one time or another, same sort of thing
 
This thread is at this point a way for people to air their grievances with Rashford, United, society, music genres, and everything under the sun.

It’s simple. He’s paid a lot of money and hasn’t performed at the level required for a long time and it is very unlikely he suddenly will start performing.

All the other crap about what he wears, if he feeds the kids because he is altruistic or because of PR, the music he likes, where he travels to and who he travels with and if he smiles or not, is irrelevant and confuses the point and honestly smacks of a weird obsession with vilifying him all around as a person.
 
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Rolaholic said:
Maguire too and we weren't magically better when he was exiled to the bench either. It's all part of the same pattern and culture. All cautionary tales that will likely fall on deaf ears by the time the next target has been decided upon (looking like Garnacho soon).

It's why I'm personally done with all the scapegoating, I've seen this song and dance far to many times to think this is any different. The club has been a mess for a long time and it's not down to individual players or managers. No player on the planet, no matter how good, would succeed/thrive long term in such a consistently chaotic environment. The best clubs are typically very stable and operated well, United have been everything but.

Most fans have known all of this very well but we still continue to dish out all that frustration at the feet of the managers or players we don't like as if the things we are frustrated about just happen in a vacuum. Also as much as people would prefer robots for managers/players, they're very much all human and all the vitriol can very realistically impact their work.

When it gets to the point where someone can't even post simple condolences for a dearly departed club servant without dogs abuse in the replies, that becomes a problem that has little to do with football honestly.

Just hoping that in the future, we start affording similar grace that we do early on with managers, to the players entrusted with executing the managers plan. They're all intertwined and any disillusionment will always adversely affect the team as a whole.
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Great post.
 
Rolaholic said:
Maguire too and we weren't magically better when he was exiled to the bench either. It's all part of the same pattern and culture. All cautionary tales that will likely fall on deaf ears by the time the next target has been decided upon (looking like Garnacho soon).

It's why I'm personally done with all the scapegoating, I've seen this song and dance far to many times to think this is any different. The club has been a mess for a long time and it's not down to individual players or managers. No player on the planet, no matter how good, would succeed/thrive long term in such a consistently chaotic environment. The best clubs are typically very stable and operated well, United have been everything but.

Most fans have known all of this very well but we still continue to dish out all that frustration at the feet of the managers or players we don't like as if the things we are frustrated about just happen in a vacuum. Also as much as people would prefer robots for managers/players, they're very much all human and all the vitriol can very realistically impact their work.

When it gets to the point where someone can't even post simple condolences for a dearly departed club servant without dogs abuse in the replies, that becomes a problem that has little to do with football honestly.

Just hoping that in the future, we start affording similar grace that we do early on with managers, to the players entrusted with executing the managers plan. They're all intertwined and any disillusionment will always adversely affect the team as a whole.
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We have significantly improved since dropping Rashford though, and we defensively improved when we dropped Maguire.

Getting rid of Rashford, Pogba, and Martial as all been progress, we would not become a good team again with any of them. Holding onto them is what stopped us from progressing and finally it looks like the current decision makers understand that.

Maguire might work out in a formation like our current one, where he's protected a lot.
 
Imagine working with weak minded higher paid colleagues, not going help your team achieve success is it. Get rid, and do a proper reset.
 
RDCR07 said:
And?

Wasn’t McTominay our top scorer for a while last season?
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And...it's remarkable that our top scorer is simultaneously underperforming so much.

As for McTominay, I always thought it was a mistake to sell him, so using him as an argument I'm not going to understand.
 
Rashford has never scored more than 17 PL league goals. Only 3 times in ten years has he scored more than 10.

17
17
11

He’s got 87 in 287 games.

He’s just about a top 10 club player based on stats.
Hammondo said:
Big if true.
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its true. Squad is on MEN
 
That's him out I think. 3 games out of the squad is a big statement. Considering that it's late Dec I believe a decision has been made to move him on in Jan even on a loan.
 
Steve 007 said:
Rashford has never scored more than 17 PL league goals. Only 3 times in ten years has he scored more than 10.

17
17
11

He’s got 87 in 287 games.

He’s just about a top 10 club player based on stats.

its true. Squad is on MEN
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Damn
 
I presume he isn't putting in the required work in training and therefore isn't being selected.

If that's the case and amorim and his staff are setting the standards and raising the bar to meet them, then more power to them.

It's about time. Don't perform in training, you don't play in the next game.
 
I'm so happy the club has finally booted him out. He's been taking the absolute the piss for years now, something simply had to give.
 

Someone needs to ask Ian Wright what his favorite qualities / 'abilities' about Rashford over the course of this season, or last are.

// We should prepare for all the tea once Rashford leaves, both from his camp as well as from inside of the club. I CANNOT wait.

When Mourinho used the word virus, he knew what he was talking about. Marcus may not have been the source but you know how a virus can spread :lol:.

Tara.
 
Someone said:
That's him out I think. 3 games out of the squad is a big statement. Considering that it's late Dec I believe a decision has been made to move him on in Jan even on a loan.
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I suspect it's more Rashford's decision than the club's. Amorim gave him an easy way back in, the same for Garnacho who did come back into the squad.

Either way, it does look like he's on his way out. Clearly he's either been unable or unwilling to do what Amorim wants
 
Hester_manc said:
And...it's remarkable that our top scorer is simultaneously underperforming so much.

As for McTominay, I always thought it was a mistake to sell him, so using him as an argument I'm not going to understand.
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I guess we sold him because there was little interest in the rest of our squad - I still feel we let him go for next to nothing, compared to what some other players in similar positions who don't have his goal threat are going for.
 
Someone said:
That's him out I think. 3 games out of the squad is a big statement. Considering that it's late Dec I believe a decision has been made to move him on in Jan even on a loan.
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If he's out of the squad again, this is getting strange and there has to be something they're not telling us.

Or is he just not arsed in training because he wants away, now? Nobodies going to take him on those wages though so I'm not sure where he thinks he going in that case.
 
Hammondo said:
So this is what it is like to have standards? Feels good.
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Rashford don't know what he's done
Team now know that's Amorim
He can't say, they can't see
Putting it down to another bad play

So this is how it feels to have standards
This is how it feels to be accountable
This is how it feels
When your salary means nothing at all
 
Ibi Dreams said:
I suspect it's more Rashford's decision than the club's. Amorim gave him an easy way back in, the same for Garnacho who did come back into the squad.

Either way, it does look like he's on his way out. Clearly he's either been unable or unwilling to do what Amorim wants
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I agree. Amorim was a fresh slate for these players, at least to a certain degree. He's holding players to a higher standard, and from the limited information we're getting it feels like Rashford isn't willing to train to the level Amorim requires.

Shame, as I think if he applied himself he'd gain the most, but this is the same old rashford who doesn't track back or press nearly hard enough
 
Rolaholic said:
Maguire too and we weren't magically better when he was exiled to the bench either. It's all part of the same pattern and culture. All cautionary tales that will likely fall on deaf ears by the time the next target has been decided upon (looking like Garnacho soon).

It's why I'm personally done with all the scapegoating, I've seen this song and dance far to many times to think this is any different. The club has been a mess for a long time and it's not down to individual players or managers. No player on the planet, no matter how good, would succeed/thrive long term in such a consistently chaotic environment. The best clubs are typically very stable and operated well, United have been everything but.

Most fans have known all of this very well but we still continue to dish out all that frustration at the feet of the managers or players we don't like as if the things we are frustrated about just happen in a vacuum. Also as much as people would prefer robots for managers/players, they're very much all human and all the vitriol can very realistically impact their work.

When it gets to the point where someone can't even post simple condolences for a dearly departed club servant without dogs abuse in the replies, that becomes a problem that has little to do with football honestly.

Just hoping that in the future, we start affording similar grace that we do early on with managers, to the players entrusted with executing the managers plan. They're all intertwined and any disillusionment will always adversely affect the team as a whole.
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Well said

If we are poor again today people might move on from taking frustration out on rashford, or they might give it another week to see if the last few years really have been his fault.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
Well said

If we are poor again today people might move on from taking frustration out on rashford, or they might give it another week to see if the last few years really have been his fault.
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Again? We haven't even been poor at all in our general performances, far from it. Our attack hasn't looked better for a very long time. Defensively, we have been due to rotation.

Also, why make stuff up. The general consensus on here is that most are finished with Rashford and actually want to stop discussing him now, not what you're portraying.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
Well said

If we are poor again today people might move on from taking frustration out on rashford, or they might give it another week to see if the last few years really have been his fault.
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Posts like this are brain dead.

You create some stupid, imaginary argument that everyone who criticises Rashford is doing so in the belief he's the sole problem at the club, and once he's gone we'll be winning titles.

No one is saying such things. Rashford is criticised for his own poor contribution to the team. He's criticised for not putting in sufficient effort. He's criticised for his attitude. Could we replace Rashford with a better player? Yes, obviously we could. Will it solve all of our problems? No, obviously not. So when the likes of you snd @Rolaholic waffle on naively about scapegoating, try actually understanding the root cause of people's issues with the player in question without resorting to childish nonsense words like scapegoating and "haters"
 
Crashoutcassius said:
Well said

If we are poor again today people might move on from taking frustration out on rashford, or they might give it another week to see if the last few years really have been his fault.
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We will likely be poor with or without Rashford, the squad needs wholesale changes and moving Rashford on is just one of them.

All the scapegoating needs to stop just as all the building players up to be something they are not or better than they are needs to stop as well. We have massively over valued players in terms or fees, contracts and contract renewals.

Players get kept on too long and we need to move on much quicker. I have no ill will towards Rashford but it’s time to move on and he won’t really be missed.
 
Someone said:
That's him out I think. 3 games out of the squad is a big statement. Considering that it's late Dec I believe a decision has been made to move him on in Jan even on a loan.
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I’d agree. The timing also makes sense considering it was reported he was up for sale just before he was first dropped, seems like the club have made their decision.
 
He’s pretty much done. Amorim and the hierarchy aren’t having it and good on them. Best case scenario he’s keeping himself healthy for the move in January and he’s currently speaking to clubs.

Getting him and Casemiro off the wages by next summer will be huge for us. That’s like £700k a week freed up.
 
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