Manchester United upgrade contact with Pep Guardiola, sources say

m1tch said:
The only chance we have of Pep is through the respect and admiration he has for Sir Alex. We can't compete with what City can offer in terms of strength of squad and unlimited investment in every aspect of the club. Chelsea can offer similar but with a current squad not as strong as City's.
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We can compete with City everywhere except for the youth facilities, I keep hearing about this wonderful squad they have but they are struggling away just like us, our squad is a lot better than people give it credit for, yes City have their owners money to spend in the transfer market, but they are hardly going to blow us away spending wise.

Is a heck of a lot of defeatism going on with Cty right now, we can also offer many things they can't, a full passionate stadium, a global following, a rich history, soon to be the richest club in the world etc, they can't get close to that and we need to use it to our advantage before people finally give in.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
We can compete with City everywhere except for the youth facilities, I keep hearing about this wonderful squad they have but they are struggling away just like us, our squad is a lot better than people give it credit for, yes City have their owners money to spend in the transfer market, but they are hardly going to blow us away spending wise.

Is a heck of a lot of defeatism going on with Cty right now, we can also offer many things they can't, a full passionate stadium, a global following, a rich history, soon to be the richest club in the world etc, they can't get close to that and we need to use it to our advantage before people finally give in.
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Their squad pisses on ours, yes they're hardly playing great at the moment but that'd be Pep's job to sort. They spent over £100 million on two players this summer. Of just their attacking players Sterling, De Bruyne, Silva, Toure, Aguero and possibly Bony, all get into our first 11.

They're a fast growing club in all areas.
 
m1tch said:
Their squad pisses on ours, yes they're hardly playing great but that'd be Pep's job to sort. They spent over £100 million on two players this summer. Of just their attacking players Sterling, De Bruyne, Silva, Toure, Aguero and possibly Bony, all get into our first 11.
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Not saying their squad isn't better but it hardly 'pisses' on ours, if it did they would be away and gone in the prem, and actually had a go at beating us earlier this season.

Yes most of those players you said would get into our team, but equally DDG, Smalling, and Shaw would get into their starting 11, plus personally I'd put Schweinsteigier in, and give Martial a run in Sterlings's position, wouldn't mind betting Herrera would get a few starts too, my point is we're not as far behind as you would have us think, and even then we aren't through lack of spending, we have just bought a few wrong players and let a few too many go.

Pep been the intelligent man he is will know this.
 
Member 5225 said:
Apparently Roman has thrown him a blank cheque :nervous:

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Hate the blank cheque bs. So Pep writes 9 billion per week. Since it's a blank cheque ya know. Heh heh heh. Means you can write any given number ya want, ya know. Heh heh heh.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Not saying their squad isn't better but it hardly 'pisses' on ours, if it did they would be away and gone in the prem, and actually had a go at beating us earlier this season.

Yes most of those players you said would get into our team, but equally DDG, Smalling, and Shaw would get into their starting 11, plus personally I'd put Schweinsteigier in, and give Martial a run in Sterlings's position, wouldn't mind betting Herrera would get a few starts too, my point is we're not as far behind as you would have us think, and even then we aren't through lack of spending, we have just bought a few wrong players and let a few too many go.

Pep been the intelligent man he is will know this.
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Not forgetting his old Barca pals behind the scenes at city too.

All this hope that'll he'll come and return us to the top is gonna end in the pain and embarrassment of him choosing City instead.
 
m1tch said:
Not forgetting his old Barca pals behind the scenes at city too.

All this hope that'll he'll come and return us to the top is gonna end in the pain and embarrassment of him choosing City instead.
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More than likely, but it would be pure theatre if we then got Mourinho who, on sombre reflection, I am quite sure would play to the attacking traditions of this club with a budget to buy the best players in the world. It would mean a departure from possession football and a return to a more energetic and direct game. I am trying to come to terms with it, because it's what's probably going to happen. I would love the press conferences and the atmosphere around the games, at least...
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
All LVG has ever needed is 3 very good players yet he's spent £200 million on either rubbish players or failures. He's building nothing and completely wasted every single penny he's spent. On rooneys contract I take it you've missed every United game because LVG loves Rooney so it's entirely possible he'd give him a contract.

A better manager would've had us challenging for every honour we could by now not putting in terrible performances week after week and not failing one of the easiest champions league groups
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If it's in Rooney contract he plays when fit, obviously he's not going to be slated. A better manager? Who like Mourinho?
Jeez some of you guys & keeping with the how terrible the manager has been line. It's more boring than our current brand of football.
 
Kevin said:
Hate the blank cheque bs. So Pep writes 9 billion per week. Since it's a blank cheque ya know. Heh heh heh. Means you can write any given number ya want, ya know. Heh heh heh.
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Still writing in indecipherable quatrains.
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
All LVG has ever needed is 3 very good players yet he's spent £200 million on either rubbish players or failures. He's building nothing and completely wasted every single penny he's spent. On rooneys contract I take it you've missed every United game because LVG loves Rooney so it's entirely possible he'd give him a contract.

A better manager would've had us challenging for every honour we could by now not putting in terrible performances week after week and not failing one of the easiest champions league groups
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What a load of nonsense.

Lose Rio, Vidic, Giggs, Evra, Rvp, Nani, Cleverley and Anderson, (with Rafael, Hernandez, Evans, Welbeck this past summer) in recent times and all you need is "3 very good players". Pure delusion.

Wasted every penny? Shaw, Martial, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger and Herrera were complete wastes then?
 
more press saying city are confident he is going to them.

nothing certified but getting into the no smoke without fire stage imo.
 
I would say that if he has the choice of City, United, Chelsea (and possibly Arsenal), he knows all of them stand a chance of winning things to a certain extent (City most likely). The question is how much he values his former colleagues that are now at City. Does he see that as added insurance he'll get everything he needs?

It makes sense to go to City, if we remove our bias.
 
Minimalist said:
I would say that if he has the choice of City, United, Chelsea (and possibly Arsenal), he knows all of them stand a chance of winning things to a certain extent (City most likely). The question is how much he values his former colleagues that are now at City. Does he see that as added insurance he'll get everything he needs?

It makes sense to go to City, if we remove our bias.
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Agreed. There are many reasons that speak for City.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Is a heck of a lot of defeatism going on with Cty right now, we can also offer many things they can't, a full passionate stadium, a global following, a rich history, soon to be the richest club in the world etc, they can't get close to that and we need to use it to our advantage before people finally give in.
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Yeah, I agree with this. You'd think we were already six feet under going by some of the lamentations on here.

And this Peppery is getting a bit too much as well. We're not doomed for ever if he goes to City. Football isn't that predictable.
 
Well

We should know next week what Peps plans as a he promised to make public his decision then

He could still decide to fulfill his contracted final year at Bayern

I can't see him going to Chelsea for all the tea in China

So looks a straight match up between City and United with the former likely with the edge

Funny thing though, a lot of newspaper noise this morning suggesting he might bide his time waiting to take over from Wenger in 2017

Who knows?

You pays your money........
 
pocco said:
Pep said he's making a decision next week? Might aswell close this thread. No way on earth he'd say he's coming here, nor would we allow it,whilst Van Gaal is under contract. City or Chelsea it is, most likely City.
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It's a bit strange though in all scenarios. Are City going to announce he's coming while Pellegrini is still under contract? How is that going to effect City this season?

It's a lot easier for Chelsea to announce it than for either Manchester clubs.
 
pocco said:
Pep said he's making a decision next week? Might aswell close this thread. No way on earth he'd say he's coming here, nor would we allow it,whilst Van Gaal is under contract. City or Chelsea it is, most likely City.
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I expect him to just confirm whether or not he'll stay at Bayern. Nothing else.
 
Minimalist said:
It's a bit strange though in all scenarios. Are City going to announce he's coming while Pellegrini is still under contract? How is that going to effect City this season?

It's a lot easier for Chelsea to announce it than for either Manchester clubs.
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He said he would confirm whether he would fulfil his remaining year at Bayern or whether he would leave

I doubt he'd mention another club mid season because that is potentially destabilising and could adversely affect said club

I would be surprised if he's agreed to go any where else at this stage though I suspect his agent has been dealing with 'expressions of interest'
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Yeah, I agree with this. You'd think we were already six feet under going by some of the lamentations on here.

And this Peppery is getting a bit too much as well. We're not doomed for ever if he goes to City. Football isn't that predictable.
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Agree re the hysteria around Pep. I know good managers have always been fêted but things are completely over the top these days.
 
Varun said:
I expect him to just confirm whether or not he'll stay at Bayern. Nothing else.
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Yup.. I too think the same.. It's going to be speculation till the end of the season after that..
 
Barca84 said:
Agree re the hysteria around Pep. I know good managers have always been fêted but things are completely over the top these days.
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Thing is that you just know that a considerable portion of those who now proclaim him an absolute genius who "guarantees" trophies, will change their stance radically at the first dent in the armour. So far, there aren't any dents to speak of - but Pep is a very young manager. There will be dents. If he should come here, he will face a very different challenge from the ones he has handled so far.

The same is true for City, I suppose - very different league compared to both Spain and Germany. Poorer, perhaps, in one sense - but that doesn't mean easier.
 
Guardiola to City would make sense. Their squad is full of Quality and based on the Players they are up there with the very best in Europe. Maybe just 1 or 2 Players short.
They just Need the right System and Guardiola might be the better fit compared to Pellegrini.
 
Cnaiür urs Skiötha said:
Guardiola to City would make sense. Their squad is full of Quality and based on the Players they are up there with the very best in Europe. Maybe just 1 or 2 Players short.
They just Need the right System and Guardiola might be the better fit compared to Pellegrini.
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Maybe that's why they have won so many UCLs and are way ahead of others in the PL this season.
 
Cnaiür urs Skiötha said:
This is what I say. They have not yet played to their full potential. Guardiola could Change that.
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What is their potential? Their midfield and defence are nowehre near top level quality.
Dont forget this is the weakest top 4/5 for years, a top side should be dominating this league like Chelsea did last year. This is not a new City side, I have no idea why people keep ignoring their present for some mythical future thats in posters minds.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
What a load of nonsense.

Lose Rio, Vidic, Giggs, Evra, Rvp, Nani, Cleverley and Anderson, (with Rafael, Hernandez, Evans, Welbeck this past summer) in recent times and all you need is "3 very good players". Pure delusion.

Wasted every penny? Shaw, Martial, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger and Herrera were complete wastes then?
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Shaw and herrera were players Moyes identified it's just woodward completely fecked up that window and didn't get either, the "Sch-midfield" has hardly been impressive either

Of the players you listed we didn't lose (as you put it) nani, RVP, Evra, rafael, Evans, welbeck , Hernandez and maybe a few others, these were players LVG deemed not good enough and sold himself leaving our squad too light.

All we've ever needed since Moyes left is a world class spine to our team, we've got the keeper sorted so we needed a top CB, a box-box midfielder and a proper goalscorer. £200 mill should've been more than enough to cover that, Whichever way you look at it LVG has completely fecked up our team ironic he always bangs on about team balance but he's built a team that has none whatsoever.
 
cyberman said:
What is their potential? Their midfield and defence are nowehre near top level quality.
Dont forget this is the weakest top 4/5 for years, a top side should be dominating this league like Chelsea did last year. This is not a new City side, I have no idea why people keep ignoring their present for some mythical future thats in posters minds.
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Agreed and you can add their strikeforce too. One world class but injury prone striker, a kid, and Wilfred Bony.

It's a very average (particularly defensively) and ageing squad and one that isn't even good enough to lead a frankly dogshit league this year. I don't see a huge amount of potential to be unlocked there by anyone.
 
Cnaiür urs Skiötha said:
Guardiola to City would make sense. Their squad is full of Quality and based on the Players they are up there with the very best in Europe. Maybe just 1 or 2 Players short.
They just Need the right System and Guardiola might be the better fit compared to Pellegrini.
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Agreed. They have a quality squad and with two or three additions, the PL would finally have a squad that is up there with the euro big 3.

City offers the best opportunity for success in the PL and CL for Pep. They have a quality squad and will give him as much money to spend as he wants.

I would expect a big summer spree from them if they get Pep. I dare think of the calibre of player they will be able to bring in.

I wouldn't rule out Chelsea. Abramovich has proved persuasive in the past. He obviously has the resources.

United's squad is quite poor but I think he is a purist and might be attracted by the tradition and prestige.

Still, we are about £250m of players at market rates off of City's squad. Double that from the euro 3. It's quite hard to see us in a CL challenge for a good while.
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
Shaw and herrera were players Moyes identified it's just woodward completely fecked up that window and didn't get either, the "Sch-midfield" has hardly been impressive either
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Your statement that all we needed was "3 very good players" after we finished 7th and had lost almost an entire squad of players is laughable, and highlights a lack of understanding of what was actually happening. Schneiderlin, Herrera and Schweinsteiger are three very good players. Shaw and Martial are another two very good players. Blind is a very good player. Did we need only three of them? Nah, because anyone who knew where we were at the end of 13/14 can tell that "3 very good players" was not all we needed.

dannyrhinos89 said:
All we've ever needed since Moyes left is a world class spine to our team, we've got the keeper sorted so we needed a top CB, a box-box midfielder and a proper goalscorer. £200 mill should've been more than enough to cover that, Whichever way you look at it LVG has completely fecked up our team ironic he always bangs on about team balance but he's built a team that has none whatsoever.
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Oh sure, because:

1. We had a great midfield of Cleverley, Anderson and Carrick, which people had been moaning about for half a decade. Herrera, Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger were totally not needed.

2. Without Evra, Evans would have made a brilliant left back. Who needs Luke Shaw?

3. There's no need for players with magical ability on the ball. I wish we hadn't signed Martial.

4. Rafael was such a fit player. Who needed Darmian?

5. Who needs utility players? I'd totally turn down the opportunity to sign Blind.

And he's not completely fecked up our team unless you look at it in a fecked up m anner. We've overspent a fair bit but the players we've bought were almost all players we needed. We just should have signed a few more attackers.
 
Kevin said:
Hate the blank cheque bs. So Pep writes 9 billion per week. Since it's a blank cheque ya know. Heh heh heh. Means you can write any given number ya want, ya know. Heh heh heh.
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Aren't cheques one time payments? Cant write per week on them.
 
Barca84 said:
Agreed and you can add their strikeforce too. One world class but injury prone striker, a kid, and Wilfred Bony.

It's a very average (particularly defensively) and ageing squad and one that isn't even good enough to lead a frankly dogshit league this year. I don't see a huge amount of potential to be unlocked there by anyone.
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Exactly. City may well get Guardiola but the squad being significantly better than rivals is not going to be the reason. There is plenty of work to do with that squad.
 
Member 5225 said:
Why do I have a feeling Pep will end up at Arsenal?
Likely?
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Not so unlikely but depends if Wenger's going, they have a reputation for playing attractive attacking football and have a much richer history than Chelsea or City. I think Pep will surprise us all and go to PSG.
 
horsechoker said:
Not so unlikely but depends if Wenger's going, they have a reputation for playing attractive attacking football and have a much richer history than Chelsea or City. I think Pep will surprise us all and go to PSG.
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I think he wants a legacy. If he went to PSG, who are 17 points clear at the top of Ligue 1 at the moment, from that point onwards it would be hard to shake the perception that he's just an "easy-option" manager.

Premier League is the natural progression for him now.
 
I think if we are Pep's preferred choice or even an option and he would come at the end of the season it would be barmy to pass up on him. LVG has repeatedly said he'll do 3 years here so you'd be turning down the best coach in the world to have one more year of someone's who said they're off. It'd be like turning down Neuer because DDG said he'd stay for one more year. Got to think of the long term. On one hand you've got someone with a proven track record and still young and on the other you have someone who's maybe not quite as sharp as he was, only committing one more year and his proposed successor (Giggs) is massively un-proven.

It's not even an issue re Giggs. Yes he might be slightly peeved thinking he's next in line but worst case he goes somewhere else as a manager and proves he's a class manager. His first job outside of united isn't going to be somewhere, where if we wanted to bring him in we'd have no chance. He's likely going to have to go down a few steps if he leaves United.

The only thing with Pep though is that he's not yet been in this situation. Taking a team that isn't number 1/2, able to hoover up the best talent it it's country and run with them. We'd be a different challenge for him so as with any manager there's always a risk. But it's got to be worth taking.
 
Pep will take a gap year IMO, and then evaluate his best options. That way if Arsenal / City / United come available he will pick and choose between.
 
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