Manchester Arena Bombing 22.05.17

Bottom line is that even if the west have militarily caused devastation and led to the death of innocents.. killing young people like this who have nothing to do with it is an unjust and despicable way of making a point/getting revenge, furthermore what our forefathers done in the name of religion or political strategy shouldn't be held against current or future generations.

This 'Islam is to blame' 'it has more violent people' than christianity is just all immature mud-slinging and isn't going to resolve feck all, it is just further dividing people.

Hiding behind religious doctrine seems to be the strategy ISIS have taken, rather than following it. Its a group of dangerous criminals who instead of getting their hands on nuclear weapons, have got their hands on a more dangerous chemical.. 'religion' and utilising it to wreak terror. I doubt they give two fecks about reaching some holy land.

Nevertheless, it is clear that religious schools, certain mosques have become breeding/recruiting grounds for their bullshit which need to be closed down and furthermore tighter checks/controls on immigration (on individuals who regularly frequent countries like Libya/Syria/Afghanistan/Iraq does need to be taken). What would make an even bigger difference is the likes of the UK to stop making arms sales to countries like Saudi, and to stop intervening in middle-eastern conflicts.

I support the war on ISIS, but the question is, should there have been a war on ISIS to begin with? no. This all stems from the poor handling of the 9/11 aftermath.. what was a legitimate war on Afghanistan, which most muslims were on board with, led to the ridiculous war in Iraq and has led to the mess we find ourselves in.
 
Reading several posts on this and it is clear that Europe is already lost. People blaming colonialism for today's terrorism or oil and the west being involved in the Middle East but somehow forgetting the stating goal of Islam is to rule the world with the sword or As imams in Europe and in Manchester have being saying for decades they are going to breed out the native population and you lot still want accceptance of this lunacy. Most in England support hate speech laws when someone calls out this awful religion but all speech should be protected England Canada Australia Germany France etc have all gone down this path changing western values because it might offend Muslims. When 1/3 of Muslims in your country will not report someone who is about to kill innocents and your answer is still have something to say on Twitter or change your social media supporting the good Muslims? Other say it is because of poverty and while in Syria that might be a factor it wasn't here or in Boston or in Orlando this individuals had the western experience and the idiotic religion of Islam still compelled them to kill. Western men for hundreds of years have died in the millions defending Europe from Islam. Unfortunately today's men with there nihilism and narcissism are still sleeping. 1400 girls and boys raped in England by Muslim gangs hundred women are girls groped and raped in Germany and Sweden numerous attacks in Europe and you are still giving them excuses while claiming the west needs to be responsible for what we have done in the Middle East. Let's be clear most liberal leaning men have been walking around with guilt because apparently it is only the west and in particular white men who are to blame. Schools in the west, media in the west and nearly all of left leaning politics has this view. When you continually shame and blame men for decades this is the result and wether you like the term **** it is abundantly clear that it is true. Either way in the end Europe is killing itself without a real awaking your kids or grandkids will be governed under a theocracy Islamic state.

Is not an important part of the classical liberalism, on which western values in many ways are founded, that each individual should be judged for his or her actions? And assumed innocent until proven otherwise?

In some ways it's difficult to generalise like this without departing from the very values you seem to want to protect.
 
Careful manufanatic. Your putting me out of my job as the cafe's token neocon, fascist, zionist, blood drinking, islamaphobic, warmongering, white supremacist extremist.
Hey, being a white supremacist is one thing, but failure to use punctuation should be a capital crime!
 
Reading several posts on this and it is clear that Europe is already lost. People blaming colonialism for today's terrorism or oil and the west being involved in the Middle East but somehow forgetting the stating goal of Islam is to rule the world with the sword or As imams in Europe and in Manchester have being saying for decades they are going to breed out the native population and you lot still want accceptance of this lunacy. Most in England support hate speech laws when someone calls out this awful religion but all speech should be protected England Canada Australia Germany France etc have all gone down this path changing western values because it might offend Muslims. When 1/3 of Muslims in your country will not report someone who is about to kill innocents and your answer is still have something to say on Twitter or change your social media supporting the good Muslims? Other say it is because of poverty and while in Syria that might be a factor it wasn't here or in Boston or in Orlando this individuals had the western experience and the idiotic religion of Islam still compelled them to kill. Western men for hundreds of years have died in the millions defending Europe from Islam. Unfortunately today's men with there nihilism and narcissism are still sleeping. 1400 girls and boys raped in England by Muslim gangs hundred women are girls groped and raped in Germany and Sweden numerous attacks in Europe and you are still giving them excuses while claiming the west needs to be responsible for what we have done in the Middle East. Let's be clear most liberal leaning men have been walking around with guilt because apparently it is only the west and in particular white men who are to blame. Schools in the west, media in the west and nearly all of left leaning politics has this view. When you continually shame and blame men for decades this is the result and wether you like the term **** it is abundantly clear that it is true. Either way in the end Europe is killing itself without a real awaking your kids or grandkids will be governed under a theocracy Islamic state.

"Muslamic ray guns!"
 
Just explained to some bint on twitter that this man was a british national after she said 'we should have just deported him'. For saying that, I'm just as bad as him apparently.
That's an exchange that will have been had a million times in the past couple of years. Sadly there are too many people with too little knowledge of how nationality works. I don't even understand how they think deporting people would permanently end a problem either, there are always people willing to find a way around it.
 
I wish they'd never named the cnut. The US media/'Intelligence' services have just immortalised him. It helps nobody, you Yank twats.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40026413

Information about the bomber's identity first emerged in the US - with American TV networks CBS and NBC naming Abedi as the suspect.

Ms Rudd was asked whether she would be looking at how information sharing may have resulted in the premature release of details the British police and security services had not wanted in the public domain.

The home secretary told Today: "Yes, quite frankly.

"The British police have been very clear they want to control the flow of information in order to protect operational integrity - the element of surprise - so it is irritating if it gets released from other sources, and I've been very clear with our friends that that should not happen again."

Pressed on whether the Americans had compromised the investigation, she said: "I wouldn't go that far, but I can say they are perfectly clear about the situation and that it shouldn't happen again."

BBC assistant political editor Norman Smith said Ms Rudd's irritation stemmed from the fact "crucial information about the investigation" had been "leaked to the media in the US".

She had been concerned that this "might have compromised aspects of the investigation", namely that it may have "alerted associates" of the bomber "that the security forces here knew who they were looking for".

He added: "Ms Rudd, I'm told, got on the blower to US officials and gave them a piece of her mind. Officials say they are in no doubt about our views on that."

To be honest, I'm more worried about copycats wanting their own slice of notoriety.
 
While we are being frank, it should be painfully obvious that the answer to the issue here is not a regime change in Saudi Arabia and dissolution of Israel.

If you argue that the radical contingent of Islam is minuscule, you should also be the first person to argue for the right of a cartoonist to draw the prophet's picture. As should any Christian who should not want films and novels banned because of their less than favorable view of Christianity. I have friends who vehemently deny that there is a problem with Islam and blame it on western interference, but still went to participate in demonstrations against cartoons of Muhammed and some random Coptic Christian video.

Maybe I should avoid posting in this thread. RIP to the victims.
 
All those who are still considered missing now must surely have died in the bombings? Surely by now most of the injured who are being treated in various hospitals have been identified and their families have been informed? Heart breaking. Tragic incident.
 
The UK must now withhold intel on this bombing with the US.

They're leaking stuff now to the NYTimes including photos of the bombing materials at the crime scene.
 
The US is leaking photos of the detonator used and other materials at the scene. Absolutely stupid thing to do. They are acting in a stupid manner.

All intel must not be shared with the US. They are causing a lot of harm to the investigation and to the UK intelligence agencies.
 
The US is leaking photos of the detonator used and other materials at the scene. Absolutely stupid thing to do. They are acting in a stupid manner.

All intel must not be shared with the US. They are causing a lot of harm to the investigation and to the UK intelligence agencies.
What on earth is wrong with them. Have they suddenly lost their marbles or what!
 
The US is leaking photos of the detonator used and other materials at the scene. Absolutely stupid thing to do. They are acting in a stupid manner.

All intel must not be shared with the US. They are causing a lot of harm to the investigation and to the UK intelligence agencies.

Is this Trump's hand trying to create a culture of fear to get his travel ban and wall through?
 
Only the bare minimum about the perpetrators of a terrorist attack should ever be released. Not names, not pictures, not details about the bomb and certainly not last words/videos.

The purpose of these bombings isn't to conquer or invade. They're to influence political reactions and inspire political movements. As such, the media is very much a weapon in the arsenal of extremists. And one which seems totally willing to be manipulated.
 
The US is leaking photos of the detonator used and other materials at the scene. Absolutely stupid thing to do. They are acting in a stupid manner.

All intel must not be shared with the US. They are causing a lot of harm to the investigation and to the UK intelligence agencies.

No need for the US press to show this stuff, but there really is little downside to this given that the terror groups already know how to build these things and there are already plenty of plans on the internet for such things for anyone else who wants to find them.
 
It's the intelligence services who are giving the media the information.
Why on earth are they trying to undermine our investigations? Why not just give out all the names of the people we are wanting to arrest. Let's give them a head start should we? Absolute idiots.
 
US intelligence has been leaking Trump info, but you can at least say that was in the national interest. Telling the press where the bomber's torso was found is not.
 
US intelligence has been leaking Trump info, but you can at least say that was in the national interest. Telling the press where the bomber's torso was found is not.
They are starting to love the sound of their voice, they need silencing otherwise they are going to hurt themselves.