People always condemn banners or booing or whatever other form of protest. What else are fans supposed to do to let the club know they aren't happy? Write angry messages on Internet forums? Or should they stay quiet and follow like sheep?
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No I want to see a manager at our club that can actually utilise our transfer strength.
One that can identify players that will actually strengthen the team.
One that can develop tactics that suit the players he buys and the fans may actually enjoy watching play.
A manager that can motivate and inspire the players and the supporters
A manager that we can actually be proud off.
Jose had his chance and he has blown it.
I feel exactly the same.
It's not so black and white you know. There isnt much between Mourinho's United and Klopp's Liverpool record. While we did win the Europa and League cup, Klopp's Liverpool reached the finals for the same competitions, only difference being they had to play Sevilla and Man City while we faced Ajax and Southampton. Mourinho got to FA cup finals and Klopp got to CL finals. So basically only thing keeping Mourinho above Klopp are two finals.
Forget one's opinion of Ed. The Glazers and Woodward have a point in that article.
The man has hardly improved any of the £365m players he has bought.
The only thing I have against them is, now that they have begun to doubt him, they should have sacked him.
So basically the only thing is that the one has won most of the finals, whilst the other one lost them all
What’s the excuse of not finishing above 4th position then?
Jose has achieved lot more in terms of those two years than Klopp regardless of you trying to put him down.
The whole thing is a mess and I don't think anyone is willing to do what's necessary on all fronts.
Exactly.
Lots of mini Wengers running about here these days.
A protest does not have to be shouting and pitch invasions. Having a banner flown is perfectly reasonable. Is it undermining the manager? No. So what is the issue here? Nonsense. It isnt to do with staying relevant its to do with being sick of how the club is run. Woodward will always want power but do you think him a fool? If he knows fans are unhappy enough to have a banner he would not want it to escalate. Either way at least it puts pressure on him to stop dithering. Either back Jose with the players he wants and stop worrying about resale value or sack him and get someone who fits with what they want.
Asking that a manager do more with what he had is not the same as saying the club don't need to spend more money. Font know why some posters fail to get that distinction.
Jose wanted Willian last year and the board failed to deliver.
Hell, with a bit more incompetence from the board we can blame Jose for wanting a 32 yo Willian in a few years.
The only negative thing is - Woodward doesn’t seem to handle public pressure well. There will be another briefs that could prove to be negative to the manager/players.
We got him early in the transfer window though. Hardly enough time to get to the bottom of our list.
Having a 29 years old Willian on the right is far better than having the 30 years old Mata.
Maybe the rest weren't available ?
The current situation seems to be getting to Woodward given how often he's briefing the media and getting them to write fluff pieces.
Good. Maybe he'll realise he can't keep palming everything off on the current manager in charge and take some responsibility for the mess at the club.
If a a banner adds to that pressure, I'm all for it. If Woodward, Jose, Pogba, Raiola want to create a circus, why shouldn't the fans have some fun too?
Good. Maybe he'll realise he can't keep palming everything off on the current manager in charge and take some responsibility for the mess at the club.
If a a banner adds to that pressure, I'm all for it. If Woodward, Jose, Pogba, Raiola want to create a circus, why shouldn't the fans have some fun too?
Is this side good enough to overtake City? Be honest with your answer.
If no, then we finished second so what more can he do? Invent a 1.5 position to finish in?
Why do we cry about not having a LB, RW, CB, RB and back up striker yet back the board vetoing players who can play those positions?
Where can the improvement come from? Scott? Shaw? Martial suddenly becoming the player his fans pretend he is?
One thing he has not achieved is a team that can play a decent standard of attacking football.So basically the only thing is that the one has won most of the finals, whilst the other one lost them all
What’s the excuse of not finishing above 4th position then?
Jose has achieved lot more in terms of those two years than Klopp regardless of you trying to put him down.
Which means feck all if you don’t win anything with such investment.
Unless you are Wenger.
It’s funny how people were always mocking Arsenal yet they are full of praise of Klopp.
If youryo running a business and have to spend £75m to make that decision, then it's not that easy.
Don't hire Mourinho then. Charrager was spot on the other night when he said Mourinho is a manager for now, not for later.
Every man and his dog knew what sort of outlook Mourinho would have when he joined. He wanted ready made players, so who gives a feck if the target is 29? You back the manager and get the player in. They hired Mourinho for close to immediate results so give him the ready made players for the position he needs. N
If that's true why they simply didn't ask Mourinho to give them another option for right winger instead of washing up their hands of the transfer and that's it ? You can't simply tell me the manager told them "bring me Willian or I'm fine with Mata". If he was fine with Mata, he wouldn't have asked for Perisic last summer then Willian this summer. If the price was too heavy ( even though I found this a lame excuse since this 70m you're talking about weren't saved to be spent on another transfer, but to go to the Glazers bank account ), then ask the manager to provide other options.
And Jose is turning us into an Arsenal but without the half decent football.
No, I don't think he's a fool and that's why I'm perfectly sure that a flying idiotic banner won't change shit in his perception of whether the manager/the team/the results are good enough. This will, however, add fuel to the fire with media having a fecking field day writing shit about the aerial zone above Old Trafford, adding to the prevalent negativity around the club about which the same fans complain.
You're moving goal posts. Getting more from his players doesn't mean we overtake City. It's not black and white. From their pov, how many players have improved under his management? They have made the judgement that not enough and that's their prerogative.
That's my qualm with Woodward. He hired Mourinho to be a manager he simply isn't. I don't believe the club ever considered that hiring him would require them changing strategy and signing lots of players with no resale value.
I'm not defending Ed. What I'm saying is that the questions he's asking now aren't wrong.
What is wrong is that he should have known before he hired Mourinho.
We don’t actually know what Jose said during the interview process. He might have said he’d embrace youth, attacking and so on. I seem to recall him making a few comments about embracing the United way with youth and so on and maybe the board don’t think he is living up to what he promised. We just don’t know.
It certainly seems that way. When criticising Jose's target list it conveniently only mentions centre backs and fails to mention the best of the bunch in Alderweireld.
"in spring 2013 Woodward took charge and, under the Glazers’ command, began a United reboot that can be characterised as a near-revolution in financial and football terms. The adding of a women’s team, the restructuring of the academy and scouting system and the imminent move to appoint a first director of football in United’s 140‑year history have revamped the sporting side."
That's some revolution eh?
"Mourinho has the Europa League, League Cup and last year’s second-place finish on his United résumé but these are not what he was hired to deliver."
So what was he hired to deliver? If he was hired to deliver the Premier League title then they need only look at the quality of the competition.
I was expecting a stronger briefing by EW. It's limp. Just Woodward briefing that he's a fierce businessman who's not afraid to make big calls. Nothing about how he is actually competent. A pad on the back for going from 10 sponsors to 80.
I'll applaud that banner.
What progress have Liverpool and Chelsea made? Liverpool has spend big, as well, and have won jack shit unlike us. Chelsea finished outside the top 4 last season and its too early to tell just by two matches this season on what they are going to do. Furthermore, I wouldn't say the EL cup was "small" in retrospect. It was the only cup we hadn't won in our history and completed our trophy cabinet. I think that is a pretty big thing for a club who likes to pride itself as the "biggest in the world".
As for last season - it was impossible to win for any manager of ours for the simple fact that City had an anomaly of a season, finishing at 100 points which very few teams in the world could match, let alone better.
The briefing of the media in his era has been nothing short of comical so far.
How do we even know Mourinho asked for another RW? There is no evidence hes asked for Willian. In February he said he didn't want any attacker. I find it similar to the myth that Mourinho didnt really want Young as his first choice LB when he said he wanted Young to play 50 games this season.
Let's imagine he's indeed asked for Willian. I can absolutely understand the club not wanting to do that . If I was running the club,I would have refused as well. Paying £75m for a 30 year old that is not even a world class player seems like a stupid way of running a club to me.
The problem. I have is that there was no agreed strategy on transfers before Mourinho was hired.
Atrocious. Good that it's being labelled the Woodward Era though. Maybe some posters should take note. The common denominator, the main decision maker (of course acting on behalf of the scummy owners).
Look at the teams that were in the competition, the champions of small nations that can't qualify for the CL, teams from the major leagues that can't finish in the top 4-5 places and the teams that flop in the first group stage of the CL . The most hopeless Arsenal team of the last 15 years almost got to the final last year.
He clearly said in one of his pressers he wanted 2 but is expecting 1 to come, assuming this 1 to be a CB which we failed to land what would have been the second one then ?
Again, there's no problem not paying 75m for a player if you're willing to save this money to spend it on someone else. What we did is we refused to spend on either Willian or a CB to put this money into Glazers bank account, how can any fan appreciate that ? It's not like we benefited from this money we had "saved".
So then don't complain about the quality of the play today.
I agree with this but I wouldnt put money on chelsea being there at the end of the season.
Sarri has made chelsea ready with allsorts of problems hanging over them. He has even n made a defense with Rudiger and Luis look better than our. They also scored 6 goals while doing it even against the mighty Huddersfield they won 3-0 where Jose lost last season.
Jose is to blame here there are no two ways about it . We are way to passive and he isnt a coach he is a defenitive checkbook manager .
We have been dire since he came with no Sun on the horizon. Ed has been equally bad, they both lost me with Fellaini.
Jose has no excuse not having our team ready for a fight and Ed has no excuse for not having backed his manager , he extended his contract .
They should both do one and close the door when they leave.
PS Glazers should also do one while they are at it.
They didn't sign anyone because they didn't believe the guys he wanted represented value for money. I'm not defending their decisions as a fan. I'm saying as people running a business I can see why they made those decisions.
What I have a problem with, is they have not agreed a strategy with the manager and that resulted in him requesting signings the club didn't find viable. And that for me is where a DoF comes in.
Some of the questions Ed is asking should have been cleared up before Mourinho set foot in this club. Not that he is written g to ask those questions entirely.
Is that the new "no value in the market" ? We're playing with a 30 years old AMF in rignt winger, not sure spending whatefer it takes to bring a right winger even if he's Willian to cover this position wouldn't have been better than puttig this money into their pocket. If they felt he doesn't deserve to spend on, they could have went and asked Mourinho for other targets on the right.
What they did was they refused to spend anything, on Willian or CB and kept the money in their bank account. Unacceptable from any fan whoever the manager is.
Next season we will have loads of players with their contracts running out and we'll be in a big problem after this ridiculous summer.
Nice try Ed. Had me till "mixes affability with ruthlessness"
What will happen after the banner protest? Because we all know that isn't going to work!
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