I'm talking about before his signing, I have no idea why we bought him and even less why we thought that 30m were acceptable. As for your question, Mourinho has signed a lot of different players and I can't really tell you what a Mourinho player is, I don't think that he is weaker than a young Varane who admittedly was very smart for his age which allowed him to catch up physically in his early 20s.
Honestly, I'm a little bit shocked that we are now trying to put the questionable signings on someone else than Mourinho while he obviously keep the good ones.
Hired and fired Moyes. Hired and fired LVG. Hired and refused to back Mourinho in the window just closed.Even if Mourinho is the one you fault, Ed is the one who hired him and gave him a contract extension last season, no ?
Ed will be on the blame side whatever perspective you can look at.
Hired and fired Moyes. Hired and fired LVG. Hired and refused to back Mourinho in the window just closed.
If he fires Mourinho, who will he hire and fire next?
So what good is a banner going to do? Ed made the mistake, but loads of fans (me included) were willing to take a chance on him thinking he might change a bit, especially given his last season at Chelsea. Isn't it reasonable to think that maybe Ed thought the same thing? Can you totally blame him for that? Maybe us fans need to take some responsibility as well as you had people booing LVG and chanting for Jose thinking he would do the business. Ed went out and gave most of the fans what they wanted.Even if Mourinho is the one you fault, Ed is the one who hired him and gave him a contract extension last season, no ?
Ed will be on the blame side whatever perspective you can look at.
I don't remember Mourinho having a defender that's weak physically and can't head a ball tbh. Lindelof looks like more of a Pep defender than a Mourinho one.
When did I classify signings ? Lindelof most probably was on Mourinho list of defenders but in the bottom of it.
Even if Mourinho is the one you fault, Ed is the one who hired him and gave him a contract extension last season, no ?
Ed will be on the blame side whatever perspective you can look at.
It's been widely reported that Lindelof and Sanchez were not chosen by Mou.
So what good is a banner going to do? Ed made the mistake, but loads of fans (me included) were willing to take a chance on him thinking he might change a bit, especially given his last season at Chelsea. Isn't it reasonable to think that maybe Ed thought the same thing? Can you totally blame him for that? Maybe us fans need to take some responsibility as well as you had people booing LVG and chanting for Jose thinking he would do the business. Ed went out and gave most of the fans what they wanted.
He then went on and gave Jose loads of money to spend. Is it his fault that we're now entering Jose's third season and we still don't have a cohesive system in place?
The only thing I blame Ed for is falling for Jose's con job and giving him an extension. A few phone calls would have told him PSG weren't looking to hire Jose.
He should have also known how Jose operates. He'd just recently done it at Chelsea, signed a lucrative extension, and then proceeded to have a meltdown, putting the club in jeopardy.
I don't mind that banner to be honest. It's more dignified than the whole Pogba FC brigade. I'm just going to have the popcorn ready for Ed's next briefing to the media. Wonder how he'll react.
Reading here, you'd have to say that Woodward has the most loyal and passionate fans in the whole club. Who knew that accountants had groupies?
Maybe, like I said I don't know what a Mourinho defender is. Ricardo Carvalho wasn't particularly strong but was good on the ball and had great positioning, young Varane played a lot for a teenager and wasn't particularly strong, Lucio was strong and fast but questionable defensively. I feel that Mourinho has had different type of defenders some fast, some tall, some relatively small, some good on the ball, others good in the air. I just don't know.
Anyway United's share price is at an all time high. We've recently signed 2 or 3 more sponsors. If they think a banner is going to have any impact on that kind of bottom line, then they are completely naive.
I keep seeing this- it’s Ed’s fault mourinho is crap as Ed hired him. So if you apply for a job you want, you manage to get it then are found to be crap at it, is it your fault or the employers? I think it’s yours:
That banner is not indicative of how all the fans view things. I didn't say Ed didn't have any responsibility, however our main issue at this time is JOSE and his inept coaching. No matter what else is going on at the club, he's not executing his job properly. When will you stop trying to throw everyone else under the bus just to protect Jose? Seriously, are you related to him?See ? He ended at the blame side anyway despite you trying to defend him. Exactly my point. Impossible to not blame him at this stage whatever your opinion on Mourinho.
The banner isn't going to change anything but it's good for the fans to express their view for everyone.
That banner is not indicative of how all the fans view things. I didn't say Ed didn't have any responsibility, however our main issue at this time is JOSE and his inept coaching. No matter what else is going on at the club, he's not executing his job properly. When will you stop trying to throw everyone else under the bus just to protect Jose? Seriously, are you related to him?
I don't want fans going after Ed like this because it provides a way for Jose to go blameless and make him think what he's doing is right. That is not good for the club.
His support is getting stronger by the day. Might even surpass the Martial brigade.Reading here, you'd have to say that Woodward has the most loyal and passionate fans in the whole club. Who knew that accountants had groupies?
Hired and fired Moyes. Hired and fired LVG. Hired and refused to back Mourinho in the window just closed.
If he fires Mourinho, who will he hire and fire next?
Moyes was at fault first(he was indeed). Then LvG was. Then Jose is. Yet the person who hired them all is completely abolished from any fault in this. Not to mention giving them long contracts, or renewing them and then firing them.That banner is not indicative of how all the fans view things. I didn't say Ed didn't have any responsibility, however our main issue at this time is JOSE and his inept coaching. No matter what else is going on at the club, he's not executing his job properly. When will you stop trying to throw everyone else under the bus just to protect Jose? Seriously, are you related to him?
I don't want fans going after Ed like this because it provides a way for Jose to go blameless and make him think what he's doing is right. That is not good for the club.
Martial getting fined for going AWOL/attending the birth of his child. However you want to look at it.
Pogba and Raiola conspiring to unsettle and disrespect the club to force a move.
Humbled by Brighton.
And now another plane protest.
It's August.
We've become a comedy club like Arsenal or Liverpool when they were shit.
im only going off a recent fulltime devils interview in the last week, where the guy said Pogba and Sanchez were driven by Woodward. Pogba was 2 years in the making, and Sanchez made sense to break into the South American marketIt's been widely reported that Lindelof and Sanchez were not chosen by Mou.
Because Mourinho's agent was spreading news that PSG were in for him and how he liked their project. So the club were in a sense forced to give him a contract because they didn't want to look like they didnt back MourinhoStill waiting for someone to explain to me the logic of giving the manager a contract extension then publicly refusing to back him in the next transfer window.
Apparently someone who sets up noodle sponsorships is more qualified to judge the worth of transfer targets than a vastly experienced manager.
Why did he give him contract extension midway through last season if Mourinho was crap then ?
Give me one reasonable explanation for giving Mourinho contract extension then refusing to back him 6 months later. How can both happen in one year exactly ? Complete circus.
And if Mourinho ends up failing, that'll be second manager to be hired and fail under Ed, so questions will need to be asked about him at this point.
Isn’t the employer job to decide who is best for the job or he just received 1 CV?I keep seeing this- it’s Ed’s fault mourinho is crap as Ed hired him. So if you apply for a job you want, you manage to get it then are found to be crap at it, is it your fault or the employers? I think it’s yours:
im only going off a recent fulltime devils interview in the last week, where the guy said Pogba and Sanchez were driven by Woodward. Pogba was 2 years in the making, and Sanchez made sense to break into the South American market
I keep seeing this- it’s Ed’s fault mourinho is crap as Ed hired him. So if you apply for a job you want, you manage to get it then are found to be crap at it, is it your fault or the employers? I think it’s yours:
Clearly a mistake. Might have to do with your mate Mourinho conning the shit out of him for that extension, which means a huge payoff whether he does a good job or not.Why didn't he sack him in summer then ?
Oh to be privy to the real truth!
It's probably no more mysterious than Jose giving Woody a list of names, him getting stuck into negotiations, then late on thinking, you know what, Maguire for £70m? I think we'll do with the 2x£30m centre backs we've bought the last two years, plus Smalling, Jones and Rojo.
Having already shelled £50m, a not exactly unsubstantial sum, probably our 3rd highest fee in history, for Fred?
He'll release a diss track,
I'm upset
Just a banner for my head, its disrespect
So offended I had to double check
Ima always take the Glazers over the fans
That's why they need me out the way
I suspect
I'm not saying he isn't at fault for some things. I am saying a banner is going to make feck all difference and just embarrass the bloody club. Why add more stupid drama than what's already going on? What is that going to achieve? And why give Jose a free ride in all this when he is solely responsible for our terrible performances? How is this banner against Ed going to address that problem?Moyes was at fault first(he was indeed). Then LvG was. Then Jose is. Yet the person who hired them all is completely abolished from any fault in this. Not to mention giving them long contracts, or renewing them and then firing them.
Clearly a mistake. Might have to do with your mate Mourinho conning the shit out of him for that extension, which means a huge payoff whether he does a good job or not.
However, the fact remains that Ed's mistake doesn't warrant a banner, and most importantly doesn't mean that Jose is absolved of his responsibility of having a proper system in play to allow his players to flourish. He incidentally earns more than a £1M a month for providing the shit we're currently viewing. Just think about that. Not just overpaid players, but overpaid manager not delivering the goods.
Absolutely this.It's hard to blame him too much, like it or not he's employed to get the maximum profit for our owners, and he's gone down the road of spending huge amounts for very little reward already, so i'm not sure I blame him for getting jittery when Jose targets questionable players in a position he has already spent plenty in, afterall he wants to keep his job, and is only answerable to the Glazer's.
Jose however is employed to get the maximum from his team, sign the right players, improve players, and entertain..
Pep signed Nolito, flopped, chopped him next summer and replaced him by B.Silva. He signed Bravo, flopped, broke the bank on Ederson.
Flop signings happen all the time. It's useless to keep on flops because you signed them instead of being ruthless and replace them. Fergie signed several flops and had no problem throwing them out after he gave up. You make a great deal of these flops.
And spending 70m on Maguire is far, far better than this money going into Glazers pockets.
I think anyone connected with the banner should be banned from OT for 10 years at least. It would make us look even more desperate than we already are.I for one, welcome The Plane Banner.
I just wanna be entertained by something, not because I agree with the sentiment or think it's the right thing to do. Like the old adage says, if you dont laugh you'll cry. I'd rather laugh along with my non-United mates on the plane matter than frustrate myself trying to defend it or defend the club that's clearly on a slippery slope to nowhere.
