If he comes his football is better, he's hungry for success, the young managers we need. Look back at the best ones who are younger hungrier want to be succesfull. There are no SAF and Wenger around any more gone,gone .. Jose is a top manager but looses interest when he can't get what he wants? Get the best out of this squad or bugger off. Leave Carrick do it if we have to it won't be any worse..
Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)
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Yeah, Woodward has done many mistakes (with benefit of hindsight) like going for managers available rather than going for the best suited managers, briefing against manager was just pathetic and a strict no.
But on the transfers, he has done good job. He has got most of the players managers wanted (for bigger price but he still got them).
Also don't understand why people think owners will be happy with just top 4 when we rely so much on our brand value. Owners are surely not idiots?
Anyways with the benefit of hindsight, we can say he didn't appoint right managers, or at least didn't appoint managers with same style which messed up things.
Then we get someone else. There is no point continuing with a thing that's not working in the fear that the replacement may not work either. Players and managers are transient. Even more so in today's football climate.
Btw, I don't think Jose should be sacked now. Let's wait and see how the first ten games pan out. We made a mess of disposing the lower teams last season too. Lost 18 of the 33 points we lost against the bottom half. 13 of those 18 points against teams that finished from 15th to 20th.
Yep specifically name checked him in a press conference prior to the signing. I'd also like to meet a manager who would have turned down the chance to sign AdM at that point in time, specifically a team in need of a winger.
Exactly. He name checked DiMaria, Caf went to full Muppet mode. Then we signed him for record fee, somehow Van Gaal just lied that he never wanted him.
This is going to be a superficial appointment to deflect flak from Woodward.
We already lost one ‘head scout’ after only one year. Ribalta most likely left because he had no power whatsoever. One senior signing in Fred says it all.
Once the new technical director realises he’s just a puppet, he’ll either take the money, be quiet and stay, or he will go somewhere that he has an actual influence.
And we will rinse and repeat with no long term plan in place.
The only way to catch up to the better structured clubs, is to appoint a someone who will stay long term and implement a proper plan for the playing squad.
We already lost one ‘head scout’ after only one year. Ribalta most likely left because he had no power whatsoever. One senior signing in Fred says it all.
Once the new technical director realises he’s just a puppet, he’ll either take the money, be quiet and stay, or he will go somewhere that he has an actual influence.
And we will rinse and repeat with no long term plan in place.
The only way to catch up to the better structured clubs, is to appoint a someone who will stay long term and implement a proper plan for the playing squad.
Or maybe he got bigger role elsewhere.
And that's exactly why we won't win the league under Jose.
If you can't beat the bottom end of the table you won't make enough points.
This is a weird narrative. Just because what you say but also because of the fact that there actually is many £££-reasons to finish just not top-4 in the PL. There are some pretty decent price-money involved in most competitions nowadays. Real made over 90 million EUROS from their CL-win for example. This "owners and Ed just wants top-4" is tiresome to be honest.
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What does he want to achieve with these leaks? Pressure the manager into performing? Mourinho? Via the media? Is he that out of touch with reality?
For some reason the board seems to be more interested in looking good in the media (and completley failing at it) rather than running the fecking club.
Everybody knew what kind of manager Mourinho is and what he brings. If you're only capable of dealing with him by being a child and washing your hands in the media, than don't fecking hire him you utter fecking morons.
You're ruining your own brand image by trying to look good yourselves, you fecking idiots.
For some reason the board seems to be more interested in looking good in the media (and completley failing at it) rather than running the fecking club.
Everybody knew what kind of manager Mourinho is and what he brings. If you're only capable of dealing with him by being a child and washing your hands in the media, than don't fecking hire him you utter fecking morons.
You're ruining your own brand image by trying to look good yourselves, you fecking idiots.
I'm wary of jumping the gun on every article and assuming its a briefing. It's giving validity to the hacks where they don't really deserve it.
Stories that United worried they will be able to "control" Mourinho now rui faria not there. Also that without Faria he is "depressed".
This is coming from someone within the club and is out of order. It is playing fast and loose with a man's reputation or belittling mental health issues.
So you have to go all the way in the CL just to make enough 90 million Euros which isn't even enough to buy Alderweireld and Willian/Perisic.
No wonder Woody would rather close the chequebook and stay happy with top 4
When was a proof needed to blame Glazers? They are Lucifer's delegates in Earth, getting 3b pounds away from club while we have another 10b on debts, not a single penny to spend on players, the lower wages on the bill. Before them it was the mighty PLC, whom not only never got money from the club, but each year they were putting a fortune on the club, and whom never failed to sign a player Fergie wanted.
Yeah I guess in that simple minded view he’s doing a great job. Keep him at it and if we win a champions league in 5 years while looking like we did at Brighton for most of it and hell go down as the best leader we’ve ever had.
Don’t see the point in trying to suggest anything since Ferguson has been anything but a disaster. It’s been a shambolic 5 years and seems to show no sign of settling down.
This bit "Van Gaal also said he didn't want Di Maria after getting sacked"
Jackson must have a giant hard on for Ed then. Or he's just taking shit stirring to a higher level.
But there's the thing. It undeniably happened at least once. Which is already a sing of someone being a complete idiot.
Dan Ashworth not on the shortlist according to one rag.
The previous poster also stated another very good argument for why as much success as possible football-wise is something that to be honest should be the same goal for Uniteds owners, Woodward, us fans and even the players. I simply added to it. Again: tiresome this. And a bit childish.
This was always a marriage of convenience, and it looks like they're laying the ground for divorcing Jose.
That interview was posted here few months ago.
Well it was simple point. If Woodward was responsible for Moyes appointment, then we won league title under Woodward and SAF duo in 2012-13 season, considering Manutd announced Woodward will be promoted in Feb.
Yeah, it's been shambolic in the last 5 years, appointing wrong managers isn't helping the case. We need a big change.
There's undoubtedly half truths in it but thats what they usually do, they expand to sell a story. That story will have got huge clicks and thats largely the aim for every Guardian writer these days as they're desperate.
We're all on Jose's back (rightly so in one or two cases in my view) for this negetive mood but as fans when we believe whatever guff these clickbaiters write we're doing as much damage.
I'm pretty sure i could write a story on Jose not wishing Martial well on his baby and thats why Martial is pissed and that story would be believed with little proof.
I doubt Ed will be sacked from Utd but will probably have a new role once once the DOF is hired you would imagine.
I don't think he will have had much choice if they were working for 2 years on the deal.
From a Glazer perspective, put Woodward in a role that suits him best and still makes them a shit ton of money. He's clearly good at the brand side of things, so there's no real reason for him to be sacked entirely. We just clearly need him away from football matters, he was out of his depth from day one.
Kit washer at United is a bigger job than Sporting Director at Zenit.
I don't buy in to the garbage press and nonsense about Jose, Ed, Pogba and plane banners. But I do see that there is something wrong with the setup of our club and I've been moaning about it since Moyes was here.
Ribalta didn't leave a Chief Scout role at Manchester United for a Sporting Director role at Zenit St. Petersburg because he thought it was a step up. He left because the decision making at United rests in the hands of two men at any given time.
One of those men is the manager, who after Fergie left, is not guaranteed to be in the role for any given length of time and who is not necessarily making decisions with the long term interests of the club at heart. Modern football management is by its very nature, short term goal orientated.
The other is a brilliant businessman, fantastic at running the commercial side of the club but who has no business involving himself in the footballing matters.
Successful modern businesses have a plan, a strategy in which every aspect of the organisation follows to reach the same aims. We have one of the best business strategies in the footballing world but its success has tricked those in charge into thinking the footballing side of the club is just another department to be run the same way. We seem to have forgotten that it is a football club first and a business second.
It's all well and good Ed coming out and saying that on field success has no bearing on our financial performance but this controversy surrounding the club, further failure to challenge for league titles, this appalling brand of football - they are all contributing to real damage to the Manchester United brand. There is no magic law that states that an old club in a rainy city in the north of England has a divine right to be a footballing financial superpower and for fans in Asia, America, Africa and elsewhere in Europe there are newer, better run and more attractive teams to watch. Yes us eijits in the UK and Ireland will continue to support United but this business model doesn't survive on just us.
There has to be a structure in place that supersedes the manager or even the day to day whims of Ed Woodward. The club needs a footballing strategy which doesn't go out the window just because our Executive Vice-Chairman wants a shiny new toy to help sell noodles, or our current manager has a tantrum and upsets the press or a couple of players. A manager can no longer be allowed to come into United and dictate what style of football we're going to play because we cannot tolerate the football the last 3 managers hired have brought with them.
Fergie always said nobody is bigger than United but he was wrong. When he was here, he was the club and it worked because of the calibre of man he is. Unless our business model is to keep changing managers until we find another Ferguson or Busby then we need something more sustainable. A structure to the footballing side of the club in which the manager is answerable to but not essential to.
Players, coaches, backroom staff and managers should all be hired because they fit into our system. Not because we want them to come in and create a system.
Got to say, reading the articles around the Burnley fly over, embarrassed me a lot. What do the instigators of this really think it achieves other than, tossing fuel on the media shit storm and descending the club further into pantomime.
Would really appreciate if someone could summarise the key offences being levied towards Woodward, my understandings thus far are;
Agree that not all is perfect at the moment, feel there is much over-reaction being fueled by the Media and still not really sure why Woodward is to blame for Paul Pogba thinking he plays in the same team as the Brighton advertisement hoardings!
Would really appreciate if someone could summarise the key offences being levied towards Woodward, my understandings thus far are;
- Didn't sign a CB in the summer, most notably Alderweireld (I thought Levy refused to deal with Manchester United after the Berbatov transfer)
- Didn't sign a RW in the summer, (seem to recall a Mourinho interview earlier in the year that we weren't signing any attackers in summer anyway!)
- Employed 3 managers since the SAF reign that have failed to cut the mustard. (Hindsight is a wonderful thing, also recall polls suggesting over half of the fan base wanted Mourinho as manager, where are they now!)
Agree that not all is perfect at the moment, feel there is much over-reaction being fueled by the Media and still not really sure why Woodward is to blame for Paul Pogba thinking he plays in the same team as the Brighton advertisement hoardings!
Yeah was about to write that this is exactly how you can put people off from reading rest of your post.
I didn't even read rest of the post. No wonder other league fans call PL fans as deluded and few other names. Lack of respect for other clubs is just pathetic.
Fully agree with this, at the moment we're not unlike Arsenal have been for the last decade or so.
I think you belong to "The flat Earth" thread.
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So there's actually no new news on this front?!
Logic. Thank you.
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