Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)

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JPRouve said:
For trivia purposes, they both finished above the other once.
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I meant last year, mate. In other words despite spending 200m pounds - getting his own players, time to gel, etc - he still finished behind Mourinho. He even had 6 months more at helm at Pool.

Also we finished 5th once under Mourinho, but Klopp never reached top 3 position in his 2 and half years at helm. Mourinho did.
 
Enigma_87 said:
So how do you fix the issue? You bring more players in or try to teach 28 year old pros how to pass beyond 5 yards?



He spent 220m pounds up till last Summer and finished behind Jose. Just saying.

Now that figure is close to the 400m you mentioned - 380m pounds.

Since Klopp was appointed he won diddley squat. Mourinho got appointed 6 months later and has won 2 cups and achieving higher league position Klopp ever did -8th, 4th, 4th . But carry on with your nonsense.
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Stay civil and avoid throwing toys because someone has a different opinion. Jose isn't your dad. We were discussing Klopp as an analogy to illustrate backing matching results and progress, not to direct compare what they've done. If it's a straight comparison we've backed Jose more than Klopp has been backed. Can't conveniently delete the coutinho sale from the books
 
JPRouve said:
I said it years ago and people answered that it would have been a disrespectful decision.
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We all knew the decision to hire Moyes will end up in ruins, yet the board went through with it. Mind boggles how acute businessmen can make such a bad decision. Especially since Fergie had a history of making crap suggestions for his successors .
 
Greck said:
Stay civil and avoid throwing toys because someone has a different opinion. Jose isn't your dad. We were discussing Klopp as an analogy to illustrate backing matching results and progress not to direct compare what they've done. If it's a straight comparison we've backed Jose more than Klopp has been backed. Can't conveniently delete the coutinho sale from the books
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You started it with the 300m to beat Brighton nonsense.

How have we backed Jose more than Liverpool did Klopp? He just received zero support in the past transfer window.

He wanted to sell Martial, how is that different to Klopp selling Coutinho? Yet one went through the other deal didn't, along with others that he wanted to bring in.

Last year again he wanted Perisic, received no backing. We're 2nd year in a row playing without a good RW player, because his first choices - Willian, Perisic, doesn't fit the profile..

And it isn't about Jose. At this point he better leaves for his own sake. The problem would be which clown will Woodward appoint afterwards, given his history before appointing him.
 
Just read an article in the Times saying that the share price has doubled since SAF left. Any club in the world would kill for financial results like that.

Woodward will stay and if anything strengthen his hand. I suspect he will change the management structure to include a director of football. That role will involve making a new transfer policy that builds a balanced team and squad. The last five years have seen various managers take a stab at buying various different types of player leaving problem areas in the team. I think this has become quite apparent.

Having said this I think it was a mistake to engage Jose. Hindsight is a great thing but the writing was on the wall after his last stint at Chelsea and it was certainly a risk. Woodward must have known this.
 
Greck said:
Stay civil and avoid throwing toys because someone has a different opinion. Jose isn't your dad. We were discussing Klopp as an analogy to illustrate backing matching results and progress, not to direct compare what they've done. If it's a straight comparison we've backed Jose more than Klopp has been backed. Can't conveniently delete the coutinho sale from the books
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You could also say that Klopp has a pretty settled side, barring injuries he knows his best players. Not sure you can say that with Jose. Seeing the money he has spent he really should know. It is like we are just throwing money at it and hope something clicks. No method in the madness at all.
 
Enigma_87 said:
You started it with the 300m to beat Brighton nonsense.

How have we backed Jose more than Liverpool did Klopp? He just received zero support in the past transfer window.

He wanted to sell Martial, how is that different to Klopp selling Coutinho? Yet one went through the other deal didn't, along with others that he wanted to bring in.

Last year again he wanted Perisic, received no backing. We're 2nd year in a row playing without a good RW player, because his first choices - Willian, Perisic, doesn't fit the profile..

And it isn't about Jose. At this point he better leaves for his own sake. The problem would be which clown will Woodward appoint afterwards, given his history before appointing him.
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Surely then you sit down and look through the available options and see if you can agree on someone. They are both stubborn. Jose wants Willian/Perisic, Ed doesn't so nothing happens and the team suffers.
 
Enigma_87 said:
We all knew the decision to hire Moyes will end up in ruins, yet the board went through with it. Mind boggles how acute businessmen can make such a bad decision. Especially since Fergie had a history of making crap suggestions for his successors .
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A couple of french journalist spent almost a year talking about Moyes being monitored by United as a potential manager for the future, they are both reliable but it was way too stupid then when SAF retired the rumours officially started to come out everywhere and I was so bewildered that I made a list of better managers, I think that I had 30 names and still forgot Ancelotti, I had the craziest names and also has beens like Lippi, Cappelo, even Benitez.:lol:
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Surely then you sit down and look through the available options and see if you can agree on someone. They are both stubborn. Jose wants Willian/Perisic, Ed doesn't so nothing happens and the team suffers.
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Why would you do that with someone who knows feck all about football?

I can understand if we had a DoF and that created a rift (club ideology, manager vision) but with our Ed? Jose probably gave him a list with 5-6 CB's, yet the other one wanted Varane? Really why do you think picking RW would have been different going through options whilst you already have 2 that would've been available.
 
Sir Scott McToMinay said:
Should’ve happened a decade ago.
The club’s preperations for SAF’s retirement was amateur at best, and absolute shambles.
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Agree.The club was arrogant and incompetent, which was miles away from the rubbish the fans were being told from sources within the club that United 'had everything in place' in dealing with Ferguson's retirement.

How long did the United board-men think SAF had left in the game ?
Did they think he was going to go on forever ?
And did they think the calibre of manager similar to SAF were just growing on trees ?
Utter shambles.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
You could also say that Klopp has a pretty settled side, barring injuries he knows his best players. Not sure you can say that with Jose. Seeing the money he has spent he really should know. It is like we are just throwing money at it and hope something clicks. No method in the madness at all.
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Very true. You go back to the Mata signing, which wasn't needed in the slightest and now the Sanchez one which is exactly the same. Just buying players for the sake of it with no idea of how we are actually going to use them. Neglecting the problem areas and instead buying players where we already have sufficient players in their postition, or simply dont have a position for them in the team. Crazy.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Why would you do that with someone who knows feck all about football?

I can understand if we had a DoF and that created a rift (club ideology, manager vision) but with our Ed? Jose probably gave him a list with 5-6 CB's, yet the other one wanted Varane? Really why do you think picking RW would have been different going through options whilst you already have 2 that would've been available.
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Well yes. That would be the ideal situation. Except we don't, we have two egos, one of which as you say knows zilch about football and The Stubborn One.
 
JPRouve said:
A couple of french journalist spent almost a year talking about Moyes being monitored by United as a potential manager for the future, they are both reliable but it was way too stupid then when SAF retired the rumours officially started to come out everywhere and I was so bewildered that I made a list of better managers, I think that I had 30 names and still forgot Ancelotti, I had the craziest names and also has beens like Lippi, Cappelo, even Benitez.:lol:
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You should've tried making a list of managers who are worse than him. Would've saved you some paper and ink. :lol:
 

Neil Custis: "MANCHESTER UNITED fans have funded a plane with a banner to fly over Old Trafford calling for Ed Woodward’s head.
The banner, which will also target the owning Glazer family will be seen above the ground from an hour before Monday night's 8pm kick off with Spurs.
The banner will read ‘ED OUT – LUHG’ targeting the Executive vice chairman, while the initial are short for ‘Love United Hate Glazers’."
 
devil in me said:
Very true. You go back to the Mata signing, which wasn't needed in the slightest and now the Sanchez one which is exactly the same. Just buying players for the sake of it with no idea of how we are actually going to use them. Neglecting the problem areas and instead buying players where we already have sufficient players in their postition, or simply dont have a position for them in the team. Crazy.
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Think it is as has been mentioned elsewhere, down to marketing. Why sign some fullback when you can sign the marketing dreams of Mata/Sanchez. The priorities are all to pot.
 
United_We_Stand said:

Neil Custis: "MANCHESTER UNITED fans have funded a plane with a banner to fly over Old Trafford calling for Ed Woodward’s head.
The banner, which will also target the owning Glazer family will be seen above the ground from an hour before Monday night's 8pm kick off with Spurs.
The banner will read ‘ED OUT – LUHG’ targeting the Executive vice chairman, while the initial are short for ‘Love United Hate Glazers’."
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Flaming heck! It happening again.:lol:
 
Enigma_87 said:
So how do you fix the issue? You bring more players in or try to teach 28 year old pros how to pass beyond 5 yards?
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The manager does not know how to coach the attack. Maybe he is compromised in the fullback positions, but an attack with Lukaku, Sanchez, Lingard, Pogba and Matic holding can certainly be more fluid and productive than what has been demonstrated in 2 years.

LvG had (and bought) shite players, but at least we saw the direction and vision he had clearly - a possession based system. That it was flawed and ill-suited is another matter. We have had Jose for 2 years and even with an attack arguably better than what LvG had, I can't see what vision he is trying to implement -- counterattacking? Quick passing one touch football? High intensity press? Nope, no identity.

It's true that Jose has won 2 trophies to Klopp's zero and that is commendable. But the cup wins do not mean the future is bright -- at this point in time, which team looks cohesive and more capable of pushing on to do something meaningful this season, and appears to have a plan for the future? Better introspect.

Woodward is hugely at fault, but let's not act as though Jose has U-19s in attack that they can't string together a cohesive phase of play.
 
VanGaalyTime said:
I hope the plane is glow in the dark. Otherwise you're not going to see shit.
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Some lad is Probaly going to be sat with his mates feeling really smug about his little publicity stunt, and Sky probaly won't even broadcast it, and hopefully it'll end up being a cloudy day and five or about six people in the stands will point at it asking "what does that say?" And they get the response " I dunno, I don't really care. Shut up. I'm trying to watch the football".

And later that that same chump will probably be absentmindedly staring into his Pint thinking of all the better things he could've spent his £300+ on. It's a stupid waste of money that never achieves anything,like the Glazer family are going to axe their cash cow over what's written in the Manchester skyline. He's had more than enough abuse on Twitter that they've ignored.
 
Kapardin said:
The manager does not know how to coach the attack. Maybe he is compromised in the fullback positions, but an attack with Lukaku, Sanchez, Lingard, Pogba and Matic holding can certainly be more fluid and productive than what has been demonstrated in 2 years.

LvG had (and bought) shite players, but at least we saw the direction and vision he had clearly - a possession based system. That it was flawed and ill-suited is another matter. We have had Jose for 2 years and even with an attack arguably better than what LvG had, I can't see what vision he is trying to implement -- counterattacking? Quick passing one touch football? High intensity press? Nope, no identity.

It's true that Jose has won 2 trophies to Klopp's zero and that is commendable. But the cup wins do not mean the future is bright -- at this point in time, which team looks cohesive and more capable of pushing on to do something meaningful this season, and appears to have a plan for the future? Better introspect.

Woodward is hugely at fault, but let's not act as though Jose has U-19s in attack that they can't string together a cohesive phase of play.
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Come on mate. I've posted it before, but just to reiterate:

Firstly, the matter of Mourinho's style has always seemed a curious criticism. His first Chelsea side were a swaggering force following his 2004 arrival, with the wing threats of Arjen Robben, Damien Duff and Joe Cole providing plenty of entertainment to go with the power.

In the space of nine Premier League games in that first season, Chelsea put four past six different sides as they finished with 72 goals - 14 more than Manchester United that season. They repeated that feat in retaining the title the following year.

Nobody scored more goals than Porto over his two full seasons in charge, and Mourinho's Inter were the top scorers in Serie A in each of his two years in Italy. But it's the efforts of his Real Madrid team that should really have banished such talk.

Mourinho at Madrid

Season Real Madrid goals Barcelona goals
2010/11 102 95
2011/12 121 114
2012/13 103 115
Total 326 324
Mourinho's Real not only scored more than 100 league goals in each of his three seasons at the Bernabeu, but they even succeeded in outscoring the great Barcelona team over that period too. The 121 goals scored in the 2011/12 title-winning season is a La Liga record.
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In his second stint at Chelsea when he won the league they scored 73 goals - only City scored more and before Christmas they were playing in some pretty high scoring games.

It's such a myth he's park the bus type of manager when and IF he gets the team play his way...

When, however, he has a non working unit and a right mess that he inherited it's normal to play even more defensive as we need points and not to ship too many goals.

The problem is, too many fans overrate our squad. Too many still wait for Martial to win the Ballon D'or or Smalling and Jones to come good. Whilst in reality that would never happen regardless of who our manager is.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Come on mate. I've posted it before, but just to reiterate:



In his second stint at Chelsea when he won the league they scored 73 goals - only City scored more and before Christmas they were playing in some pretty high scoring games.

It's such a myth he's park the bus type of manager when and IF he gets the team play his way...

When, however, he has a non working unit and a right mess that he inherited it's normal to play even more defensive as we need points and not to ship too many goals.

The problem is, too many fans overrate our squad. Too many still wait for Martial to win the Ballon D'or or Smalling and Jones to come good. Whilst in reality that would never happen regardless of who our manager is.
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Those stats are the reason I really wanted him here as well. But it is obvious that his methods don't work as well as they did. For sure, I agree that Martial is overrated and the FBs are a problem but Pogba? Lukaku? Sanchez? These guys are capable of very good football. All they need is man-management and coaching.

Managers do have expiry dates. LvG was good once, not anymore. Ancelotti and Mourinho are also edging towards the twilight.

Woodward has undermined Jose's authority but let us not allow Jose to get away with the narrative that he has such a poor squad that 2 years and 8 signings later he still cannot coach the attack into being more fluid, more decisive and quick in the final third even against lower midtable teams because they are all shite players.
 
Absolutely baffling that we're blaming Woodward for the mess. The man should be knighted for refusing to bend over and sign Willian and Perisic for over 120m. We probably should have signed a CB but that's the only real problem I see with Woodward. By and large Jose has been well and truly backed yet his rabid fanboys and the man himself can only whine about transfers. He's almost signed an entire 11 worth of players since he's been at the club.

My only complaint with Woodward is that he's not sacked Jose yet and even gifted him a contract extension.
 
Kapardin said:
Those stats are the reason I really wanted him here as well. But it is obvious that his methods don't work as well as they did. For sure, I agree that Martial is overrated and the FBs are a problem but Pogba? Lukaku? Sanchez? These guys are capable of very good football. All they need is man-management and coaching.

Managers do have expiry dates. LvG was good once, not anymore. Ancelotti and Mourinho are also edging towards the twilight.

Woodward has undermined Jose's authority but let us not allow Jose to get away with the narrative that he has such a poor squad that 2 years and 8 signings later he still cannot coach the attack into being more fluid, more decisive and quick in the final third even against lower midtable teams because they are all shite players.
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Think many are really underrating the state we were in when Jose took over. Yes, 2 years and 8 signings aren't enough if you want both results AND play good football. For just two years he got results - 2 times qualified for CL, 2nd place and 2 cups. When you don't have expansive squad that is good on the ball and good going forward, especially the full backs and wingers you have to grind results.

Mourinho won't make a dynasty here, that's clear, but he's well capable if he receives financial backing to shoot us in contention for titles. The last two managers (Moyes, LvG) weren't.

We basically needed 10 outfield players to challenge City. The only world class player in our team pre Jose was De Gea. Rest were aging good footballers and expensive(and not so) flops.

Those you have mentioned - Lukaku is good and IMO has shown promise. Pogba is up and down in terms of form but received injury last year which goes to show his consistency problems (has character issues of course but that's another matter), Sanchez hasn't really had time to settle in. Those you mentioned are perfectly capable of playing some nice fluid football, but you also need the full package to make it work - the full backs and not scared shitless CB's when they get the ball in their feet.

Jose's defensive approach is due to not trusting his defenders and it's not really surprising isn't it?

I'm all for sacking Jose and getting world class manager in, but let's hear some suggestions?
 
Hitchez said:
Absolutely baffling that we're blaming Woodward for the mess. The man should be knighted for refusing to bend over and sign Willian and Perisic for over 120m. We probably should have signed a CB but that's the only real problem I see with Woodward. By and large Jose has been well and truly backed yet his rabid fanboys and the man himself can only whine about transfers. He's almost signed an entire 11 worth of players since he's been at the club.

My only complaint with Woodward is that he's not sacked Jose yet and even gifted him a contract extension.
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Weird will the money we didn't spend go to you?

Otherwise why would you be happy that the team wasn't improved over the summer? Did you think it was perfect as is?

Others have pointed out how utd haven't been invested in for years, getting 11 new players sounds like a great plan.
 
Hitchez said:
Absolutely baffling that we're blaming Woodward for the mess. The man should be knighted for refusing to bend over and sign Willian and Perisic for over 120m. We probably should have signed a CB but that's the only real problem I see with Woodward. By and large Jose has been well and truly backed yet his rabid fanboys and the man himself can only whine about transfers. He's almost signed an entire 11 worth of players since he's been at the club.

My only complaint with Woodward is that he's not sacked Jose yet and even gifted him a contract extension.
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Do you actually believe Willian was the only name on the list of players for RW? Is Jose that stupid to suggest just one name for a position that was so important for the team?
 
Somehow I have a feeling Woodward is not going to deal with the public pressure and criticism properly, which will ensure tensions between people in our club are only going to get bigger.
 
Hitchez said:
Absolutely baffling that we're blaming Woodward for the mess. The man should be knighted for refusing to bend over and sign Willian and Perisic for over 120m. We probably should have signed a CB but that's the only real problem I see with Woodward. By and large Jose has been well and truly backed yet his rabid fanboys and the man himself can only whine about transfers. He's almost signed an entire 11 worth of players since he's been at the club.

My only complaint with Woodward is that he's not sacked Jose yet and even gifted him a contract extension.
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You must be a WUM. No white text? Have you seen Perisic play? Have you seen a right winger at the club?

Sir Woodward. Has a nice ring to it if you are a City fan. Maybe we should knight the Glazers too. :lol:
 
ash_86 said:
Do you actually believe Willian was the only name on the list of players for RW? Is Jose that stupid to suggest just one name for a position that was so important for the team?
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Jose indicated that he was happy with the attack after Sanchez. So it turns out that he may have been stupider. Not getting a RW wouldn't have solved the problem. Jose's inability to coach attacking football is the bigger issue. You don't need an entire new XI to play good attacking football. Certainly not when most teams we play are a lot worse than us
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
You must be a WUM. No white text? Have you seen Perisic play? Have you seen a right winger at the club?

Sir Woodward. Has a nice ring to it if you are a City fan. Maybe we should knight the Glazers too. :lol:
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Perisic mainly plays left wing and we got a far better player in Sanchez on the left and Willian is nowhere near good enough. Even Chelsea fans want him upgraded.
 
Hitchez said:
Jose indicated that he was happy with the attack after Sanchez. So it turns out that he may have been stupider. Not getting a RW wouldn't have solved the problem. Jose's inability to coach attacking football is the bigger issue. You don't need an entire new XI to play good attacking football. Certainly not when most teams we play are a lot worse than us
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Those quotes were immediately after we bough sanchez. Since then Martial wanted to leave and it could've changed his plans for RW. Jose never plays attacking football but his teams are very good at holding and countering at blistering pace. That's exactly why he has asked for those players.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Flaming heck! It happening again.:lol:
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It's going to be fun when he signs a new commercial deal where the club uses flying banners. "PS:Manchester United wants to thank its resourceful supporters who created that great commercial opportunity."
 
HAHAHA couldn'tHA

The fecking plane again! :lol::lol::lol:

You couldnt script this! Tell you what...if our football isnt gonna entertain me,this nonsen will in an unintentionsl comedy gold way!

Circus.
 
Woodward's tenure has seen us sign some great players and make some headlines, but it's completely directionless.

Looks like they're putting things in place and we'll see what happens. Until this last window, I've seen no complaints by the managers about lack of funds or support in the market.

Let's not let Mourinho off the hook here because he couldn't get a defender though.

He's spent a lot of money and it wasn't Woodward who instructed his team to play like cowards against Seville.

A lot of you seem to have forgotten about this and have sought to seek a higher power to blame.

Mourinho's management has been indefensible at times.

I'm sure half of you were dicking around on the Internet making bitching comments during the dark times of last season.

I watched it.

It wasn't fecking Ed Woodward's fault.
 
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