Woodward needs to get Jose and Pogba in the same room, and they all need to tell each other to shut the feck up. Woodward then needs to tell everyone who works for Utd to stop briefing journos, stop spreading gossip, and start focusing on winning the league. Anyone who doesn't agree to that needs to go.
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I’m picturing him looking in a mirror, talking to himself.
All is forgiven, I've forgotten about losing to Brighton already. And a new commercial partner, oh Ed you do spoil us!
First off, he should tell himself not to tell the press that the team won't focus on the short term. You know, won't buy the players needed for this season.
However way we swing this. However way we look at it, whether we like or despise Jose and his football, it was a BAD mistake not recruiting (and selling) enough this Summer. A very, very bad mistake.
And frankly, I cannot believe that happened because Jose Mourinho went after the wrong players. He is too experienced, too pragmatic and too successful to be so daft that he had no back up options for each position.
This then begs the question many people have asked here: why not fire him if you were not going to fully back him?
And about DoF and scouting, what in the world happened to Javier Ribalta? Why did he leave so soon?
And frankly, I cannot believe that happened because Jose Mourinho went after the wrong players. He is too experienced, too pragmatic and too successful to be so daft that he had no back up options for each position.
This then begs the question many people have asked here: why not fire him if you were not going to fully back him?
And about DoF and scouting, what in the world happened to Javier Ribalta? Why did he leave so soon?
It's the main reason I support Jose in all of this. We also have to remember the club got 82 points last season and beat every single team in the league. That was a phase of our growth that Jose started and then for some reason the board stopped backing him this summer. He needed another 200m to compete with City at the very least and now we're going to finish 3rd or 4th at best this season, and that's if Jose does well with the current squad.
Perhaps the club doesn't have the funds for transfers and that order comes from the owners........did someone say our cash balance was 50m or something.
Ed is in a conflict of interest position. We will get no spending unless United fail to get at least 4th place. Then we will see some desparate buying. Glazers out.
And another 300m to finally be good enough to beat Brighton
Exactly, the club stagnated at a time in which one big push could have seen us challenge for the title.
Now next summer there is a massive rebuilding job to do when teams like City and Liverpool are continually moving forward.
Shame on Ed for this.
But we didn’t need to spend a penny to be good enough to beat City because we already did that last season. Am I doing this right?
You definitely didn't get it
That's one funny briefing. There are problems in and around the club but Ed is sure he can solve it and he's briefing the media about it. Stopping with those stupid briefs would be a good 1st step to solving the problems.
Oh I got “it”. Don’t worry about that.
The point is that if you give Jose the funds, he will bring in the right players for his system. If you don't, you see what happens. His two main signings - Lukaku and Pogba are literally just coming back from the World Cup and have barely had a rest. And I'd argue that most of the others on that team except De Gea, Fred and Bailly are probably at or below Brighton's level.
I think so - ultimately being restrictive against City is going to work out better rather than being restrictive against Brighton or Sevilla.
Big games against clubs like City, Chelsea and whoever we else we beat - we actually put pressure on them by giving them the opportunity to play with the ball so we can utilize on their mistakes. It's much more defined type of football that leads to mistakes due to the confidence in their ability to attack as a team with tactics. Jose can figure out ways to isolate De bryune & get the team to force him to make mistakes which players like Herrera at his feet.
We then have the capability to beat the better teams than us looking like underdogs who sit back & won by surprise or we look like a team who lost due to simply being the under dog.
Against Brighton, Sevilla & the other small teams we should attempt to dominate - we give them way much freedom to play football. Since they don't have a fixed way of playing in the same comparison to how City play around two deep dropping CAM's In silva & De bryune - their football ends up shocking us because we hardly have Herrera chomping at the feet of the main guy of Brighton.
That's the difference between United & Liverpool too - whilst Liverpool continue to be a kamikaze team; they are defensively chomping at the legs of every team they play. United don't have a game plan unless it's against the big boys - where it normally revolves around the disruption of one or two players.
Think I'm the one that didn't get yours then. Pardon
I cam across some information on a youtube channel, which may explain (if true) why Woody waits so long before firing the manager.
What I understand is that in their contracts, our managers have a stipulation that says that if a they fail to make top 4, they can be fired with a low/small severance package.
If however, he is still mathematically able to get top 4 and he is fired, the severance package is larger.
So, in order to save money. Woody waits for the manager to mathematically fall outside the top 4, after which he fires them.
Basically, this is a money saving exercise.
Woody's job is to increase profits, so anything which reduces our outgoings is what Woody will aim to do.
The club is run as a money making business and this is the primary goal.
Regarding buying players who are old: Woody has no issue with this. His problem though is that they have no sell on value. So, if you buy a 31 year old today, on a 3 yr contract, his contract expires when he is 34. What re-sale value would they get? Probably nothing. For this reason, Woody isn't interested in buying an older player, even a game changer like Ronaldo who can boost any team he joins. It has nothing to do with skill....it's purely a business decision.
Perisic - had we bought him last season, he'd be our left winger. He'd be crossing to Lukaku and no doubt we'd be a much better team. Lukaku would have crosses served on a plate, to him. BUT, he has very little social media following and just how much would the club, financially gain by having him here. When you add the sell-on factor (explained above), it explains why Woody was reluctant to spend more than £31M which was offered to Inter.
When thinking about Woody's actions, just think about how his action will effect the profits of the company, in the medium-long term. That will usually give you the answer.
No sarcasm. Both are shit. Especially our garyCant tell if you are being sarcastic since I rarely listen to english pundits, we got enough great ones here in Sweden who doesnt expect us to win the WC every time since '66
Players must take the blame also. Most are not good enough for Manchester United, and we are kidding ourselves thinking otherwise.
Yes that's what good clubs do. Not randomly pick someone off the remainder shelf the exact mathematical moment the last guy fails to make the Champions League (because it saves a few quid on the dismissal clause.)
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Agreed.
We have not been a club aiming for the title since 2005.
The titles we got under Ferguson was due to the squad and central players being very good. And since we did not sell any of the players, we continued to have a great squad until the summer of 2009. After that, some of the players started to show the age and we sold two vital players that window. In addition to having a great squad in that period, we also had strong management and players showed improvement or signs of developement in the first team.
Winning the league with the squad we had during the 2012-2013 season was really suprising and may go down as SAFs greatest managerial achievement for the club imo. The 2010-2011 league title was also suprising, but other teams underperformed and we did not.
Personally i think the ownership of this club has not cared about winning anything at all since 2005, and the titles we got since then was due to the squad being great before the takeover and having a great manager.
can you explain this a bit further? Are you saying most of our player bar the ones you’ve excused are Brighton level player in that they would likely be playing for someone like Brighton if they weren’t with us?
Certainly players like Young, Shaw and Lindelof are not far above Brighton standard. I'd argue that Mata is close. So out of the 11, you have 4 players who are below the standard required. From there, it only takes one better player (Bailly) to have a terrible game for the opposition to be all over us. In that games, three of our best players were awful (Martial, Pogba and Bailly).
I think that’s madness, to think Mata, Shaw and Lindelof are the kind of players who would be playing for a relegation fodder team is, just, wow!
You really think that?
If the Glazers aim was to win the CL or PL(As we did under SAF due to already having a great team and manager before the takeover), then Woodward would not be doing a great job as caretaker of this club.
The Glazers interest in this club is purely financial(i assume), Woodward runs this club on the owners behalf, thus Woodward govern this club based on an ROI principle: Reaching top 4 and dividends/debt payments are made while the 10Ks are positive, and increase the revenue/profit through commercial deals and monetizing the clubs world wide fan reach.
So if you judge him based on what his job is and what his employers wants him to do, then he is doing a great job. It is not like we evaluate a farmer based on how good he is at driving trains?
The Glazers interest in this club is purely financial(i assume), Woodward runs this club on the owners behalf, thus Woodward govern this club based on an ROI principle: Reaching top 4 and dividends/debt payments are made while the 10Ks are positive, and increase the revenue/profit through commercial deals and monetizing the clubs world wide fan reach.
So if you judge him based on what his job is and what his employers wants him to do, then he is doing a great job. It is not like we evaluate a farmer based on how good he is at driving trains?
Good post mate but unfortunately not a lot think like you. Many of our fans treat the money available to Jose as they are coming out of their own pockets.
Mind boggling that, the club generates enormous amount of cash even when it is under performing on the pitch it doesn't really matter on commercial front. Yet we have to pass on players that could of improve us and eventually make us play better on the pitch, which seems the main reason to moan about.
When we finally can push for the title with a world class manager our board backtracks - shows the level of ambition we have now.
DoF would certainly improve us on many fronts but sadly as you said most likely would change feck all, being the new yes man on board.
Guess you would've sacked Klopp last season when they lost at Swansea, who are even worse than Brighton?
Or vetoed Keita, Fabinho, Alisson, etc cause they have the team to beat Swansea, right?
The losses that our rivals suffer are often due to easily recognizable problems like poor defense. However, when we lose, it's not just silly mistakes like defensive errors, but our players are unable to string a couple of passes in attack, we give up halfway into the game and look completely unmotivated and disinterested. We look like we have no plan, that's the issue here.
Otherwise, granted, lesser teams do upset the top 6 occasionally.
Why on earth are you rating Bailly so highly while completely underrating the rest? I'm not saying our players are all world class, far from it, but still, they're comfortably a level above Brighton if they were playing in a properly functioning and motivated side, which we quite clearly are not.
We did give him the funds, and he didn't.
You could, but you'd be wrong.
Every one of our players is top 4 standard as a minimum. Our worst players like Young and Mata are only that way because they're getting old. They still have the ability to play the odd game for us. The problem the team shares is the mentality they are stepping onto the pitch with.
Paul Mitchell would be my choice, young but experienced in recruitment and being a Mancunian means he will understand the traditions of the club and hopefully be around for the long haul. I'd be delighted with that appointment.
I know Fergie wasn't exactly sure when he was going to go, but we really should have got a DoF in a couple of years before his departure, to work with him on the transition and identifying the right profile of player to go with the managerial candidates in mind. Instead we hired David Moyes to be Fergie 2.0.
I said it years ago and people answered that it would have been a disrespectful decision.
If Klopp had spent 300m and showed a consistent trend of struggling against bottom half teams because of a poor style of play he would likely be struggling with the same doubts. Liverpool have no qualms about throwing more money Klopp's way because although trophyless he had shown impressive results on a more humble budget
So how do you fix the issue? You bring more players in or try to teach 28 year old pros how to pass beyond 5 yards?
He spent 220m pounds up till last Summer and finished behind Jose. Just saying.
Now that figure is close to the 400m you mentioned - 380m pounds.
Since Klopp was appointed he won diddley squat. Mourinho got appointed 6 months later and has won 2 cups and achieving higher league position Klopp ever did -8th, 4th, 4th . But carry on with your nonsense.
For trivia purposes, they both finished above the other once.
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