Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)

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What I wouldn't give to know what Woodward said to the players after the game yesterday. Maybe something along the lines of "second most expensive squad ever assembled and that's what we get? fecking disgrace. You're all playing for your futures." would have done.

"I'm sorry I'm such a shit chief executive, lads" would have done.
 
What I wouldn't give to know what Woodward said to the players after the game yesterday. Maybe something along the lines of "second most expensive squad ever assembled and that's what we get? fecking disgrace. You're all playing for your futures." would have done.

Only Lukaku and Pogba were bought for big money from that team. Fred is the third most expensive, but he's new and shouldn't be judged too harshly.
 
Only Lukaku and Pogba were bought for big money from that team. Fred is the third most expensive, but he's new and shouldn't be judged too harshly.

Lukaku was feeding off think air so he can't be judged. Pogs gave the ball away 29 times. He can be judged.
 
Lukaku was feeding off think air so he can't be judged. Pogs gave the ball away 29 times. He can be judged.

Well, I think he can be judged for missing that early chance he put way off target. Was a simple finish that would have helped us take control of the game. Agree about Pogba though, something isn't right in his head and I'm not sure it ever will be.
 
Only Lukaku and Pogba were bought for big money from that team. Fred is the third most expensive, but he's new and shouldn't be judged too harshly.

No big money signings? Our backline alone costs something like 105 million. That's more than the whole Brighton first team and all of their benchplayers combined. I'd say it's pretty fair to judge all of 'em very harshly after that performance!
 
If Mou fails he needs to be sacked as well. It's as easy as that. No CEO should survive 3 wrong manager appointments.

By Fergie's admission he was the one to pick Moyes and not Woodie. So if Mourinho fails, it's his second wrong manager appointment. Arguably both better than Sir Alex's choice too.

Woodward will be entirely safe so long the on-field performance doesn't badly affect the investors' and the club's earnings. When that happens he will be sacked because being the de facto man in charge it's his responsibility to deliver value to the shareholders. If football knowledge or picking managers is not his expertise, then it's his responsibility to delegate. Ultimately it all comes back to him. But only if the club fail to be as profitable as the investors expect it to be.
 
The owners didn't spend this summer because they were happy with where we are placed. They looked and thought we look snug in the top 4, the CL money is not in much jeopardy.

It could backfire anyway but the general mentality is what should worry people as it isn't changing anytime soon.
 
29 times? Is that real data? Those numbers are even high for Sunday League Football. Geez!

Thats the number sky sports reported after the match in commentary the presenter said it. He had another Sevilla moment. Playing the ball out of play 10 yards from the touchline.....
 
My take on it is that Woodward didn't enjoy the heat he was getting over not completing deals and is now bringing in a middle man to be the face of our negotiations, meaning he won't take any more grief. It's the one thing that somebody else (ie the manager) couldn't be blamed for, so he's tying up that loose end.
 
By Fergie's admission he was the one to pick Moyes and not Woodie. So if Mourinho fails, it's his second wrong manager appointment. Arguably both better than Sir Alex's choice too.

I wouldn't say Jose was a wrong choice at the time. Proven winner and one who could restore our standing in the short term. Nobody else was available either.

Our status as a CL club was eroding, so a short term fix was more important than style of play etc. If Jose leaves after 3 seasons of stably making CL spots, we might look back on his reign in a kinder way once better times arrive.
 
Woodward will be entirely safe so long the on-field performance doesn't badly affect the investors' and the club's earnings.
This is the absolute curse of modern business. I read recently that 93% of American businesses' revenue goes to shareholders; it was formerly under 50%.
 
The rot starts from this guy. Get him out of footballing decisions ffs
 
This is the absolute curse of modern business. I read recently that 93% of American businesses' revenue goes to shareholders; it was formerly under 50%.

Bear in mind that this stat depends on the type of business. A lot of domains will have a relatively low amount of workforce and capital compared to the turnovers, it's different from old industries that had a high amount of workforce which cost a lot.

IIRC, in France in the banking industry 1/5 employees are redundant, these people won't be replaced when they retire but the industry make more money, that money goes to the shareholders.
 
He needs to leave the footballing side well alone, causing more harm than good.
 
I wouldn't say Jose was a wrong choice at the time. Proven winner and one who could restore our standing in the short term. Nobody else was available either.

Our status as a CL club was eroding, so a short term fix was more important than style of play etc. If Jose leaves after 3 seasons of stably making CL spots, we might look back on his reign in a kinder way once better times arrive.

Well that why I said if he fails. Failure would be finishing outside of the top 4.

There is one club that has invested massive amounts of money for a decade (City) and is also head shoulders above the rest in terms of squad depth and quality. One club that has won the title twice in 5 years and has outspent us in the market this summer (Chelsea). And another club that's been on the rise in the last couple of years and also outspent us (Liverpool).

The competition is fierce but he should still be finishing top 4 and playing some entertaining football at times. Spurs and Arsenal have spent even less down the years and if he fails to finish above them, it'd be hard to defend him.
 
A DoF would bring a long term plan and implement a philosophy within the club, bringing in managers and players who'd fit that vision.

A Technical Director is just a middle man who'd take away the pressure on Woodward while he pretends to know anything about football.

Isn't this what Chelsea have? @duffer

I feel like we're overcomplicating things - honestly this club is enough to drive you to drink
 
Without counting Sanchez the club spent 400m since Mourinho took over, there has been consistency. The manager has consistently purchased players that he fails to integrate in a cohesive team. Maybe you think that 600m-700m should have been spent, I don't.

If he had inherited Aguero/Silva/KDB/Kompany/Sterling/Fernandinho then maybe he wouldn't have needed to spend 400m?

Our midfield was diabolical and had been for years, Pogba and Matic are huge upgrades. Same with our striker situation and Lukaku.

His CB options have been injury prone and poor but the answer to that isn't to dig your heels in complain that 60m spent is somehow a huge outlay when we get more from Chevrolet every season from shirt sponsor alone.
 
Why do you keep saying that?

We've spent £315.08m net, they've spent £398.71m net. However they have performed, as if they've spent double, because they just have a better manager.

The prospect of trying to compete with city in terms of spending was always gonna be difficult, and all the more so when you have an inferior manager.

Yeah, that's because there is no such thing as deadwood before you've bought them. Fans don't have to answer to anybody, however spectacularly bad their transfer wishes turn out to be. For the club, it's a player they have to get rid of, for the fans it's an afterthought in a locked thread somewhere, long forgotten.

I like Alderweireld, but we have no idea how much was asked for him by Levy. Nevertheless everyone is happy to speculate that Ed Woodward made the decision based on the evaluation of his footballing quality, how they've got that figured out is anyone's guess.

Pep also inherited 5 world class players in Aguero/Silva/KDB/Kompany/Sterling. Who are the world class talents Mourinho inherited?
 
Pep also inherited 5 world class players in Aguero/Silva/KDB/Kompany/Sterling. Who are the world class talents Mourinho inherited?

Our best players after de Gea were probably Martial, Rashford and Mata. Tragic.
 
If he had inherited Aguero/Silva/KDB/Kompany/Sterling/Fernandinho then maybe he wouldn't have needed to spend 400m?

Our midfield was diabolical and had been for years, Pogba and Matic are huge upgrades. Same with our striker situation and Lukaku.

His CB options have been injury prone and poor but the answer to that isn't to dig your heels in complain that 60m spent is somehow a huge outlay when we get more from Chevrolet every season from shirt sponsor alone.

That's not the point, it's not about spending 400m, it's about seeing that 400m have been spent.
 
I totally agree and that's where the blame toward Woodward start, the only mitigating fact would be if the club is looking at changing things and need to time to do it but even then you don't brief what they briefed. Mourinho has shown a lot of self control after that.

If you're going to decide not to trust the manager to identify players, you sort something else out before the transfer window opens. Not do nothing then come up with excuses after.

There just isn't a way to dress it up that makes it look good. I see it as a separate issue to Jose. Whatever you think of him Woodward has done a piss poor job whichever way you dress it up.
 
If you're going to decide not to trust the manager to identify players, you sort something else out before the transfer window opens. Not do nothing then come up with excuses after.

There just isn't a way to dress it up that makes it look good. I see it as a separate issue to Jose. Whatever you think of him Woodward has done a piss poor job whichever way you dress it up.

That's why I agreed with you two times already.:D
 
That's not the point, it's not about spending 400m, it's about seeing that 400m have been spent.

And more needs to be spent in order to compete with the current city squad, if the Glazers are happy with just finishing in the top 4 like that cnut over at Arsenal then they need to pack up and leave. 400m needed to be spent because they invested nothing for almost a decade.
 
And more needs to be spent in order to compete with the current city squad, if the Glazers are happy with just finishing in the top 4 like that cnut over at Arsenal then they need to pack up and leave. 400m needed to be spent because they invested nothing for almost a decade.

Again it's not about spending the money but about how efficient it has been and how one judge the collective improvement. Mourinho is one of the investment, he isn't just paid to create transfer lists and sign teamsheets.
 
Fact is, for the moaning about transfers this summer, Woodward can literally look at Mourinho and use the Marky Mark line from The Departed: “I’m the guy doing his job, you must be the other guy...”

Woodward and those around him make tons of money for the club and since Fergie retired they’ve spent loads for whatever each manager wanted (almost always).

I find this a really weird view to take since it is yet again deliberately ignoring the fact that who the manager of the team is, is Woodward's responsibility.

The tons of money thing is a complete and utter non argument, unless you cheer wildly whenever we sign a new sponsorship deal and shrug your shoulders uncaringly whenever we score a goal.
 
Again it's not about spending the money but about how efficient it has been and how one judge the collective improvement. Mourinho is one of the investment, he isn't just paid to create transfer lists and sign teamsheets.

Mourinho has spent the money well in general. I doubt we'd lose much money on anyone he's brought in. The collective improvement has been obvious, just look at the league table.
 
If you're going to decide not to trust the manager to identify players, you sort something else out before the transfer window opens. Not do nothing then come up with excuses after.

There just isn't a way to dress it up that makes it look good. I see it as a separate issue to Jose. Whatever you think of him Woodward has done a piss poor job whichever way you dress it up.

From the fans point of view yes, from the Glazer's, he's done a great job, and there lies the problem.
 
Mourinho has spent the money well in general. I doubt we'd lose much money on anyone he's brought in. The collective improvement has been obvious, just look at the league table.

In that case everything is alright, you don't really need to complain about the owners. They hired and allowed him to spend well and our league performances improved.
 
The tons of money thing is a complete and utter non argument, unless you cheer wildly whenever we sign a new sponsorship deal and shrug your shoulders uncaringly whenever we score a goal.

Speak for yourself. I did a slide on my knees through my kitchen when I heard we had signed Kohler. Never heard of them before, but get the feck in Woody with these beautiful summer signings! These are the moments we true fans live for.
 
In that case everything is alright, you don't really need to complain about the owners. They hired and allowed him to spend well and our league performances improved.

Until they stopped him from spending this summer and will almost certainly cause us to stagnate or regress.
 
Until they stopped him from spending this summer and will almost certainly cause us to stagnate or regress.

Well if he spent well, he doesn't really need to replace his good signings and he told us that Valencia and Young were his starter and that we didn't need attackers. This leaves us with one conclusion...
 
In that case everything is alright, you don't really need to complain about the owners. They hired and allowed him to spend well and our league performances improved.

I think there is a case to complain about the owners. Whilst Mourinho did very well on results alone last year, there was still a 19 pt gap that needed bridging from transfers.

It's obvious a 3 man defence was in his plans to revert to in some games and the board have basically disabled him from having that.
 
From the fans point of view yes, from the Glazer's, he's done a great job, and there lies the problem.

That's not true. How good a job Woody has done this summer will be reflected in the next year's financial situation. If the club drops out of the top 4 and he has to pay Mourinho compensation for sacking him (when he didn't have to extend his contract) while spending another 400m to bring the club back into the top 4, then that's not gonna look good on the finances and he'll get heat from the owners.
 
I think there is a case to complain about the owners. Whilst Mourinho did very well on results alone last year, there was still a 19 pt gap that needed bridging from transfers.

It's obvious a 3 man defence was in his plans to revert to in some games and the board have basically disabled him from having that.

You see I don't think that it's obvious at all, in fact I'm 100% sure that it wasn't in his plan, like he said himself he used it during preseason because it's the one time where he can familiarize the players with it. The potential new CB was a direct replacement for one of the two starters.
 
Well if he spent well, he doesn't really need to replace his good signings and he told us that Valencia and Young were his starter and that we didn't need attackers. This leaves us with one conclusion...

That statement is from early February after just signing Sanchez. Since then Martial has asked to leave (with Mourinho reportedly happy to sell), Mata has shown huge signs of decline and we know directly from Willian quotes that he's been asking his agent to make a transfer to United happen.

Sounds to me like he was in the market for a right forward/winger.
 
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