A new manager will not change a thing.
The long term hopes for the club are non existent with Ed Woodward making footballing decisions.
See the last 6 years. And it's ony going to get worse.
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The long term hopes for the club are non existent with Ed Woodward making footballing decisions.
See the last 6 years. And it's ony going to get worse.
Unsure. The football side of things, from scouting, to the buying and selling of players, to contract renewals, to the appointment (and sacking) of managers, has basically been a disaster for 5 years now - and he's in a position of ultimate responsibility for all of it. That being said, we're still signing up noodle partners by the dozen and the Glazers will no doubt have noticed our booming share price. His position is probably quite safe.
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Woodwards pitch to Klopp was that we are like Disney Land! Great pitch Ed, useless twonk.
To be fair he allegedly said that Old Trafford was like an adult version of disneyland, a mythical place where the entertainment is world class and dreams come true.
These days OT more closely resembles a grim school trip to a cardboard factory.
The issue with someone like him is that we need a manager who knows what he's doing cause he gives them most of the responsibilities, however the days of those managers are basically long gone. I get people are disappointed with his reign and think he's failed us however if Sir Alex had the 700 million quid these blokes have had to throw around in the past 6 years we'd still be at the top of the game.
What I don't understand is why are these blokes so poor at allocating funds for what we need and where we need it. We need a manager obsessed with the market if we aren't planning on hiring a DOF. Sadly for us, I'm not sure they still exist.
I mean, under our current manager he wants us to spend 200 million on Perisic, Willian and Maguire...hows that taking us anywhere?
What I don't understand is why are these blokes so poor at allocating funds for what we need and where we need it. We need a manager obsessed with the market if we aren't planning on hiring a DOF. Sadly for us, I'm not sure they still exist.
I mean, under our current manager he wants us to spend 200 million on Perisic, Willian and Maguire...hows that taking us anywhere?
He chose three best managers at time, with the help of SAF and what market offered post Moyes, 90% of DOFs would choose similarly, but I'd repeat that again but won't lose time doing that because it is depressing to repeat facts again, as depressing as you moaning about the club and its future.
Retrospectively we did wrong decisions but I am sure we will move forward soon because we cannot be more unlucky.
BTW tell me yourself who would you hire instead of the three managers we hired or what would you do different if you were a DoF, just imagine you don't know future and you make decisions at the time. Go ahead smart man
Yes, Ed decided it was time to buy Marcos Rojo.
Ed made the decision to buy Fellaini.
Ed got the feeling in his gonads to just go out and buy Lindelof.
None of these were sanctioned by the current manager. Or god forbid the scouting team.
Ed is the one forcing Jose to play Lingard. He’s also telling Jose to line up with 5 defenders and 2 DMs away to West Ham.
Giving over £600 million in transfer money to the managers is a bad footballing decision.
Everyone was against LvG when he was hired. Everyone was against Mourinho when he was hired.
It’s all Ed’s fault.
Clueless.
I'll bet Pep is glad Teflon Ed isn't at Citeh, would never have sanctioned replacing players that didn't work out 12 months after signing them, and needing to buy 2 fullbacks for £50 million each.
Teddy Boy would have known better and told him to play them as you signed them!! There is fault on both sides, but even blind Freddy knew the team needed an experienced c/b capable of playing the ball out, and to a lesser extent a
Genuine winger. Praise Pep all you like, but he is doing cartwheels that his owner supported the building of the roster, Woody knows better at our club, unfortunately.
At the end of the day, Man Utd is Glazers money machine, so Teflons job is to keep the dividends coming to the owners, certainly doesn't appear to compete against the noveau riche of the PL. Dont forget , Ed managed to get the Glazers hands on the club, not by investing but by borrowing basically against the clubs name, genius that will always have their support. Investing regularly is not in their DNA, ask the fans of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers NFL tea,.
Teddy Boy would have known better and told him to play them as you signed them!! There is fault on both sides, but even blind Freddy knew the team needed an experienced c/b capable of playing the ball out, and to a lesser extent a
Genuine winger. Praise Pep all you like, but he is doing cartwheels that his owner supported the building of the roster, Woody knows better at our club, unfortunately.
At the end of the day, Man Utd is Glazers money machine, so Teflons job is to keep the dividends coming to the owners, certainly doesn't appear to compete against the noveau riche of the PL. Dont forget , Ed managed to get the Glazers hands on the club, not by investing but by borrowing basically against the clubs name, genius that will always have their support. Investing regularly is not in their DNA, ask the fans of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers NFL tea,.
Mentining Fellaini and his summer doesn't speak well if you want to defend Woodward.
Go on, explain. I’m waiting (and will probably go grey) to see the relevance of your explanation with what I said and the post I quoted.
Moyes wanted Fabregas and we were also linked with Herrera. Ended up with Fellaini. Not sure how this miraculously ended up being full Moyes fault, especially when Chelsea signed Fabre with ease next summer while Ed kept running behind him for full summer without success then due to the market failure we had to panic overpay for Fellaini on last day.
A good DoF will defintely help but the Glazer also have to be willing to spend the kind of money needed to compete with Citeh
I actually think, considering our revenue is at an all time high when we are a bag of bollocks on the pitch, Ed has done a pretty good job. He’s fecked up by not firing Mourinho in the summer, if he wasn’t going to back him.....but other than that, he’s doing a good job
We only went for Fabregas after Barcelona sold Thiago to Bayern, and they just weren't willing to let another midfielder go. The next summer they were, so Chelsea got him.
Why did he keep running behind him the whole summer then ?
We've been spending money, and lots of it - enough to get us closer to City than we actually are, anyway. The problem is what we've been doing with it.
What did he even mean by that.
This is exactly what @TheFlagStaysDown is talking about when he mentions people thinking they know what they’re talking about, bringing the posting quality of the forum down.
Let’s take a step into your fantasy pretend football manager world and say that a year isn’t a long time in football (it is btw), and that Fabregas was attainable (the consensus is that he and Bale weren’t) and we didn’t get him for whatever reason. Who then decides Fellaini is the next best option out of every other midfielder around? You think it’s Ed don’t you? Ed went up to Moyes and said “sorry, I’m not giving Cesc £200k a week, we are buying Fellaini instead”. Or are you going to tell me Fellaini was the best we could get in a summer that saw Ozil, Fernandinho, Paulinho, James Rodriguez, Illaramendi, Gotze and Isco all change clubs?
You must think something as proposterous as this otherwise, your post makes no sense.
No doubt if we had got Cesc and Bale and they failed under the managers we had, you’d be crying about a galacticos policy instead.
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It was Strootman who was a better sensible target back then than fabregas who ain't got a clue about defensive side of things as well and Roma snapped him up even before moyes joined as Moyes thought it was good to take a long 3 month sabbatical before joining as the club marketed him as a manager who was cut from the same cloth fergie belonged with the Scottish connection.
. Even if we signed fabregas he would have been a flop here as well. Kroos was a top target though, and we will never know if he was really coming here next season or Lvg really was against the idea of getting him as he dint suit his sideways play style or kroos just denied to come here to play under lvg as he was familiar with him from bayern days and we just made something up to the press.
Starting yoir post by telling the one you're taking to he's stupid but I should be civilized and not repay it to avoid the warning. Where's that "attack the post not the poster rule" ? I'm going to report this post.
Anyway, no Fellaini wasn't the other choice as I said, we were also targrting Herrera this summer and the deal collapsed :
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/03/ander-herrera-manchester-united
And it's well known Moyes also wanted Kroos while he was having troubles with Pep at Bayern at this time. If you end up after Fabre, Herrera and then Kroos to panic sign Fellaini on last day, so I'm not sure how is that supposed to remove blame from Ed's shoulder.
So to summarize up when we target top players and fail to land them they're unrealistic targets but when we sign the likes of Fellaini and Rojo it's because of manager's choice. It's never Ed's fault I see.
It was a lame advertisement pitch based around the Theater of dreams. If we are honest, fans are making too much of a deal about it, it was most likely a simple phrase among dozens where Woodward wanted to convey the idea that United was historically a club where every ambition can be fulfilled. Apparently Klopp thought that it wasn't sexy.
Fabregas turned us down thinking he had a future at Barca when he realised he didn't he chose to move to London instead.
How on Earth is that Ed's fault ?
Because he kept running behind him the whole summer.
The thing that I don't get is that Kroos and Fabregas weren't available that summer, you keep bringing them into the conversation as if one year isn't significant. Moyes also said that he wanted Fellaini but not as his first signing, he claims that he wanted Matic first.
1) What defines players being available or not ?
2) For the third and last time we targeted Herrera but refused to pay his clause and the deal collapsed.
3) If Fellaini wasn't Moyes first choice then how can he take full blame for that disastrous window ?
How old are you? Do whatever you want.Who do you think is sanctioning buying the likes of Fellaini and Rojo in the first place? After we couldn’t get Cesc (despite being unrealistic that summer) and Herrera (lol), who decided Fellaini is the next target? Did Ed sit there and say “right Moysey, we didn’t get who you wanted, now we’re buying who I want. Hey Mr. Kenwright, how much for Marouane?”
Do you not see how utterly insane that is?
Have a day off.
Yeh but then shouldn't he just be the 'financial director' and we have someone more qualified looking at the Football side.
I see it as more of a statement like Oldtrafford is a place where we play with worlds best and top players in the game who can make serious money with marketing and I don't agree with your plans of bringing these players like Mane and Salah in. We are a club where worlds most famous players play.
And klopp just got annoyed with his arrogance.
Feel like he's meddling in our transfer targets since the first day.
Who do you think is sanctioning buying the likes of Fellaini and Rojo in the first place? After we couldn’t get Cesc (despite being unrealistic that summer) and Herrera (lol), who decided Fellaini is the next target? Did Ed sit there and say “right Moysey, we didn’t get who you wanted, now we’re buying who I want. Hey Mr. Kenwright, how much for Marouane?”
Do you not see how utterly insane that is?
Have a day off.
If Fellaini was the one of the top targets why didn't we move for him earlier in the market ? Why didn't we move for him till last day and overpay for his clause ? Because he was probably in the bottom or near it in Moyes list. If you can't grasp this then it's hopeless to go any farther, and I don't want anyway.
1) When the players and/or their clubs don't to want to move or sell. Which was reportedly the case for both Fabregas and Kroos, Bayern accepted to sell Kroos because he was in the last year of his contract in 2014 and not willing to sign a new deal after a difficult season.
2) and 3) Moyes is known for dithering and his obsession with scouting players himself, his decision to go to the Bahamas for a month and then scout the players, he simply wasted a lot of time that summer. You can blame the club for not signing players in his stead but without the DOF structure it was never going to happen.
I'm sorry but that's nonsense. The assumption that you make has nothing to do with that sentence.
The point is his targets weren't poor at all to lay the blame on him for signing Fellaini. Unrealistic ? Sure some of them were yes, took long time to scout ? Maybe, but poor ? Well definitely not, so you can't mention Fellaini as a stick to beat him with. You can mention him peesisting on the likes of Ronaldo and Bale who were unrealistic and BS to think about, but he's not the reason for us panic overpaying for Fellaini on the last day.
Really? So the bottom of his list is something like:
Cesc and Bale
Herrera
Kroos
Strootman
Matic
Fellaini
No sign of Illaramendi, Isco, James, Fernandinho (maybe not him actually) and a whole host of other, better, midfielders? Nothing that linked us strongly with these players? They probably weren’t on the “list”.
So I ask again, who do you think is sanctioning signing Fellaini? Because if it’s Moyes, then it can’t be Ed “getting involved in footballing decisions”.
You’re right, this is hopeless. Blaming someone for something when it’s not them making the decisions is asinine.
How about just not be on the list. Who had a list and say if all fails get Mark Noble?
Plus it was well documented Moyes thought if we went to Everton with a double deal it would work out cheaper. They just ended up saying no.
Of course I can mention Fellaini as a stick, that summer he is the result of Moyes's actions. It's not a death sentence, you can simply state something that obvious without it being the end of the world.
I'm not absolving him for the blame as some of his targets like Bale and Ronaldo were unrealistic, but absolving Ed for the blame is equally wrong. If Moyes was terrible in selecting targets, then Ed is equally terrible in negotiating.
In negotiating for what, exactly?
Ultimately....yes.
I think it’s gone past the point of being obvious that there needs to be a senior board member who’s responsible purely for the clubs football as a whole. I quite agree with that idea. I’m just making the point, which is often overlooked, that Ed has done a fantastic job from a commercial and financial aspect.
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