Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)

[JohnnyKills]

Ultimately....yes.
I think it’s gone past the point of being obvious that there needs to be a senior board member who’s responsible purely for the clubs football as a whole. I quite agree with that idea. I’m just making the point, which is often overlooked, that Ed has done a fantastic job from a commercial and financial aspect.

I don't think a single person on this site would disagree with this. His commercial acumen ensures that we can compete with the oil clubs without needing a benefactor ourselves, and we shouldn't forget that.

But the charade of having an accountant running the football side of the club has gone far enough. We need to appoint someone who can create a long-term plan on the football side and execute it. Hopefully that person will be appointed soon.

If Ed wants to sign a big name to shift some shirts, that's fine - but he has to coordinate with the sporting director to find players who will add value on the pitch as well as off it.

 

[el3mel]

In negotiating for what, exactly?

If you're spending the whole summee failing to buy players then you have to overpay for one player then how are you supposed to be good in negotiation ?

It wasn't just this summer that Ed proved he's terrible in negotiating fees. In the later summers he compensated for his failure in first summer by overpaying for average players and giving them giga salary to convince them to come, like what he did in LVG both seasons. Whenever he tries to negotiate a deal on cheap price the deal usually collapses, like the last 2 summers.

What have you seen in any of Ed' signings that prove his negotiation skills are good ? Any player bought on bargain and proved to be quality ? Any top player we bought for less than his sum ? Any average player not overspent on, or been given huge salary ?

Give me any example that proves Ed skills at negotiations are good, anything other than throwing money to convince the player to come.

 

[JonDahl]

Yeh but then shouldn't he just be the 'financial director' and we have someone more qualified looking at the Football side.

What part of the footballing side are you talking about? What do you mean?

 

[JPRouve]

If you're spending the whole summee failing to buy players then you have to overpay for one player then how are you supposed to be good in negotiation ?

It wasn't just this summer that Ed proved he's terrible in negotiating fees. In the later summers he compensated for his failure in first summer by overpaying for average players and giving them giga salary to convince them to come, like what he did in LVG both seasons. Whenever he tries to negotiate a deal on cheap price the deal usually collapses, like the last 2 summers.

What have you seen in any of Ed' signings that prove his negotiation skills are good ? Any player bought on bargain and proved to be quality ? Any top player we bought for less than his sum ? Any average player not overspent on, or been given huge salary ?

Give me any example that proves Ed skills at negotiations are good, anything other than throwing money to convince the player to come.

Again that summer Moyes tried to sign players that weren't available and that were playing for wealthy clubs, this has nothing to do with Woodward's negotiating skills. And in general the obvious issue for United isn't the negotiating, it's that we target the worse players possible, they either have long contracts or their clubs aren't selling for football reasons. You can only negotiate from a position of strength not a position of weakness, that's why you need to plan well in advance, sometimes several seasons ahead and know players contractual and environmental context.

As for his negotiating skills I have no clear idea about them but his ability to coax big commercial deals tell me that he is pretty good at it. The issue for United is always the same, targeting the correct players at the correct time, timing being one of the most important aspects in terms of fee when it comes to transfers.

 

[el3mel]

Again that summer Moyes tried to sign players that weren't available and that were playing for wealthy clubs, this has nothing to do with Woodward's negotiating skills. And in general the obvious issue for United isn't the negotiating, it's that we target the worse players possible, they either have long contracts or their clubs aren't selling for football reasons. You can only negotiate from a position of strength not a position of weakness, that's why you need to plan well in advance, sometimes several seasons ahead and know players contractual and environmental context.

As for his negotiating skills I have no clear idea about them but his ability to coax big commercial deals tell me that he is pretty good at it. The issue for United is always the same, targeting the correct players at the correct time, timing being one of the most important aspects in terms of fee when it comes to transfers.

That doesn't make sense does it. If you're targeting top players, or better players in general they will never be that easy to get and you will need to have good negotiation skills to lure them and be able to sign them for good price without overpaying as well. You can't simply wait till a top players want to leave and have no one else entering the deal so you go and get them. What's the outrageous there ? Any CEO can do that, like literally.

With targrting better players their clubs will ask for more and will be more reluctant to sell. Why would they sell their best players easily ? It's up to you as a CEO to convince them and with a good price.

 

[JPRouve]

That doesn't make sense does it. If you're targeting top players, or better players in general they will never be that easy to get and you will need to have good negotiation skills to lure them and be able to sign them for good price without overpaying as well. You can't simply wait till a top players want to leave and have no one else entering the deal so you go and get them. What's the outrageous there ? Any CEO can do that, like literally.

With targrting better players their clubs will ask for more and will be more reluctant to sell. Why would they sell their best players easily ? It's up to you as a CEO to convince them and with a good price.

Top players rarely move when they are at top clubs. I really shouldn't have to tell you that.

 

[el3mel]

Top players rarely move when they are at top clubs. I really shouldn't have to tell you that.

Even the middle clubs have no obligation to sell their best players and will ask for ridiculous fee to either keep him or win a lot from him.

 

[JPRouve]

Even the middle clubs have no obligation to sell their best players and will ask for ridiculous fee to either keep him or win a lot from him.

You are strengthening my point here.

 

[el3mel]

You are strengthening my point here.

No. If you have good negotiation skills you will be able to negotiate a good price and get him. If your only clue im negotiaione is to throw money or back off then you will end up either not strengthening at all or massively overpaying, which is Ed's problem ever since he got the job.

It's all well and good in signing sponosrs deals but dealing with the clubs to get their best players is different and need experience and good personal skills to get what you want.

Otherwise all CEOs and DOFs will be like each other and there will be no one at this job better than the other.

 

[T00lsh3d]

I don't think a single person on this site would disagree with this. His commercial acumen ensures that we can compete with the oil clubs without needing a benefactor ourselves, and we shouldn't forget that.

But the charade of having an accountant running the football side of the club has gone far enough. We need to appoint someone who can create a long-term plan on the football side and execute it. Hopefully that person will be appointed soon.

If Ed wants to sign a big name to shift some shirts, that's fine - but he has to coordinate with the sporting director to find players who will add value on the pitch as well as off it.

I agree. The challenge is to get the right person who can both work with Woodward and also the manager. Seems these people are rare as rocking horse shit

 

[JPRouve]

No. If you have good negotiation skills you will be able to negotiate a good price and get him. If your only clue im negotiaione is to throw money or back off then you will end up either not strengthening at all or massively overpaying, which is Ed's problem ever since he got the job.

It's all well and good in signing sponosrs deals but dealing with the clubs to get their best players is different and need experience and good personal skills to get what you want.

Otherwise all CEOs and DOFs will be like each other and there will be no one at this job better than the other.

It doesn't happen, there isn't a club that takes players from a top club without overpaying, the only other situations is when a player is at the end of his contract or when the player has been poor and is for sale or the player asked to leave. What are the examples of transfers particularly well negotiated?

 

[Patrick08]

I'm sorry but that's nonsense. The assumption that you make has nothing to do with that sentence.

Is it really though? I would have real doubts if one says Klopp rejected the job on the basis woodwards marketing strategy wasn't sexy and he found it lame. And he found "youll never walk alone" more sexy and attractive . It's an era where transfers rule the roost. If the club doesn't agree with the managers plan of Bringing their preferable targets than top managers are turned off by that. And it certainly wasn't happening here with Woodward around.

There is enough evidence that Woodward having a critical say in matters where he should not be meddling in at all. When Top experienced personalities like Van gaal was on record to say that Woodward kept bringing players like di maria and falcao when they were not in his plans and Woodward knows that while also saying that the balance at Man united have tipped over business side of things rather than football, those statements really carry weight here. We were linked with the likes of Sadio mane and Pedro as well in his second summer and we just dint bring any of those as well.

Mourinho's targets just appealed to Woodward with big names like Pogba and Ibra which suited his criteria of marketability while being games most followed personalities.

If Woodward really cared about the targets ages and football in general I think it's a hypocritical statement by him, when he's gone on to get players like Ibrahimovic, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Matic or Sanchez in the recent case on huge contracts and huge money while he keeps rejecting players like Perisic or Willian or Toby just because of their age, the financial feaseability of those deals just didn't make sense but then you can't come out like he did and put out statement like that, that it was because of their age we dint get those players. He has been a flip flop in that sense.

Somehow I find it silly to think klopp would be turned off by our marketing strategy with some silly phrases. It's more deeper than that i believe . He keeps taking long ball and defensive football digs when ever we play them. And that's why I think in his meeting with woodward there were several disagreements.

 

[el3mel]

It doesn't happen, there isn't a club that takes players from a top club without overpaying, the only other situations is when a player is at the end of his contract or when the player has been poor and is for sale or the player asked to leave. What are the examples of transfers particularly well negotiated?

My last post was saying even the midtable clubs will also ask for ridiculous fees as they're not obligated to sell. Why are you reshifting for top clubs now ? There's no club, middle or top, will be willing to give you their player for pennys. It's up to your negotiator to try and negotiate a good price and get him on as much bargain as possible instead of either not paying at all or massively overpaying, the latter will happen if you're a terrible negotiator, which what we were doing for the last years (overpaying and giving gaga salary for even average players to convince them to come).

 

[JPRouve]

Is it really though? I would have real doubts if one says Klopp rejected the job on the basis woodwards marketing strategy wasn't sexy and he found it lame. And he found "youll never walk alone" more sexy and attractive . It's an era where transfers rule the roost. If the club doesn't agree with the managers plan of Bringing their preferable targets than top managers are turned off by that. And it certainly wasn't happening here with Woodward around.

There is enough evidence that Woodward having a critical say in matters where he should not be meddling in at all. When Top experienced personalities like Van gaal was on record to say that Woodward kept bringing players like di maria and falcao when they were not in his plans and Woodward knows that while also saying that the balance at Man united have tipped over business side of things rather than football, those statements really carry weight here. We were linked with the likes of Sadio mane and Pedro as well in his second summer and we just dint bring any of those as well.

Mourinho's targets just appealed to Woodward with big names like Pogba and Ibra which suited his criteria of marketability while being games most followed personalities.

If Woodward really cared about the targets ages and football in general I think it's a hypocritical statement by him, when he's gone on to get players like Ibrahimovic, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Matic or Sanchez in the recent case on huge contracts and huge money while he keeps rejecting players like Perisic or Willian or Toby just because of their age, the financial feaseability of those deals just didn't make sense but then you can't come out like he did and put out statement like that, that it was because of their age we dint get those players.

Somehow I find it silly to think klopp would be turned off by our marketing strategy.

It was a simple sentence mentioned by Klopp out of context. The sentence was a reference to Old Trafford, its nickname and the fact that United built his history around entertaining football, that's it. There is no theory to build around it.

 

[JPRouve]

My last post was saying even the midtable clubs will also ask for ridiculous fees as they're not obligated to sell. Why are you reshifting for top clubs now ? There's no club, middle or top, will be willing to give you their player for pennys. It's up to your negotiator to try and negotiate a good price and get him on as much bargain as possible instead of either not paying at all or massively overpaying, the latter will happen if you're a terrible negotiator, which what we were doing for the last years (overpaying and giving gaga salary for even average players to convince them to come).

And I already told you that it's nonsense. The only way to negotiate anything is if you are in a position of strength, it's not about your negotiating skills but about your scouting skills, you need to identify targets that are in favorable situations from your POV, clubs in need of money, unhappy players(whatever the reason is, be it money, location or competitiveness), contractual situation or out of form players.

Our issue is that we don't target the correct players, you can put that on Woodward that would be fair but it has nothing to do with negotiating skills.

 

[steffyr2]

And I already told you that it's nonsense. The only way to negotiate anything is if you are in a position of strength, it's not about your negotiating skills but about your scouting skills, you need to identify targets that are in favorable situations from your POV, clubs in need of money, unhappy players(whatever the reason is, be it money, location or competitiveness), contractual situation or out of form players.

Our issue is that we don't target the correct players, you can put that on Woodward that would be fair but it has nothing to do with negotiating skills.

Or be a place that players want to come to. Utd used to be, now I think we have to pay them a lot.

BTW, Woodward wouldn't have such a problem if he hadn't held a gigantic press conference to say why he didn't get Mourinho the central defender he needed, but that he would have bought Varane if only..........

Did he explain why we didn't get William? Or is that just people's imagination?

 

[JPRouve]

Or be a place that players want to come to. Utd used to be, now I think we have to pay them a lot.

BTW, Woodward wouldn't have such a problem if he hadn't held a gigantic press conference to say why he didn't get Mourinho the central defender he needed, but that he would have bought Varane if only..........

Did he explain why we didn't get William? Or is that just people's imagination?

I'm not too sure about what you trying to say because chronologically the problems existed before the brief. And in general that brief was stupid for a lot of reasons, I don't think that anyone can seriously think otherwise.

 

[Johan07]

Or be a place that players want to come to. Utd used to be, now I think we have to pay them a lot.

BTW, Woodward wouldn't have such a problem if he hadn't held a gigantic press conference to say why he didn't get Mourinho the central defender he needed, but that he would have bought Varane if only..........

Did he explain why we didn't get William? Or is that just people's imagination?

When was this "gigantic pressconference"? Any source?

 

[JPRouve]

When was this "gigantic pressconference"? Any source?

I think that he is talking about the brief.

 

[Johan07]

I think that he is talking about the brief.

What brief? One of the investor briefings? I just remember claims from the Sun and various clickbait sites on this. I usually try to follow the investor briefings and I have never heard Woodward make claims regarding specific players. Not that I like the man, but this seems a ltb off for him.
Still, claiming that Woodward held some gigantic pressconference to claim that he/the club tried to sign Varane seems like really fake news anyhow.

 

[el3mel]

And I already told you that it's nonsense. The only way to negotiate anything is if you are in a position of strength, it's not about your negotiating skills but about your scouting skills, you need to identify targets that are in favorable situations from your POV, clubs in need of money, unhappy players(whatever the reason is, be it money, location or competitiveness), contractual situation or out of form players.

Our issue is that we don't target the correct players, you can put that on Woodward that would be fair but it has nothing to do with negotiating skills.

I'm sorry to say but what you're saying is the nonsense. With your logic all DOFs and CEOs are of the same quality and all pay the same prices but is utterly and completely wrong. I don't even know how you think like that.

Just because you and I don't have good negotiations skills and don't how they work we assume everyone else is the same.

 

[JPRouve]

I'm sorry to say but what you're saying is the nonsense. With your logic all DOFs and CEOs are of the same quality and all pay the same prices but is utterly and completely wrong. I don't even know how you think like that.

Just because you and I don't have good negotiations skills and don't how they work we assume everyone else is the same.

That's not what I'm telling you. And to be honest I should stop discussing with you on that subject if that's what you read. A good DOF put himself in a position of strength by targeting favorable context, I listed some of them earlier. I told you that our shortcomings come from that part which intuitively should lead you to conclude that DOFs and CEOs aren't of the same quality because they don't target the same players at the same time and there is a reason for that.

 

[JPRouve]

What brief? One of the investor briefings? I just remember claims from the Sun and various clickbait sites on this. I usually try to follow the investor briefings and I have never heard Woodward make claims regarding specific players. Not that I like the man, but this seems a ltb off for him.
Still, claiming that Woodward held some gigantic pressconference to claim that he/the club tried to sign Varane seems like really fake news anyhow.

At the end of the window the club seemingly briefed to the Guardian the reason why some transfers were vetoed.

 

[Stactix]

I'm sorry to say but what you're saying is the nonsense. With your logic all DOFs and CEOs are of the same quality and all pay the same prices but is utterly and completely wrong. I don't even know how you think like that.

Just because you and I don't have good negotiations skills and don't how they work we assume everyone else is the same.

Of course some are better at negoitating, some are in positions of power, I.e Bayern. Either sell now, or give us the player for free in a year.
While Utd for the last few years, have been desperate for signings at times and yes we have been fleeced but then City did pay 60mill for Mahrez and not only was the player kicking up a stink but City didn't even need him.
Liverpool paid 70mill for Van Dyk.. again did he not kick up a stink?

Sure there are probably much better people out there but I don't think many would of got our signings cheaper.

 

[el3mel]

That's not what I'm telling you. And to be honest I should stop discussing with you on that subject if that's what you read. A good DOF put himself in a position of strength by targeting favorable context, I listed some of them earlier. I told you that our shortcomings come from that part which intuitively should lead you to conclude that DOFs and CEOs aren't of the same quality because they don't target the same players at the same time and there is a reason for that.

Wrong. Scouting targets isn't the CEO job. That's the job of the manager and scouting network to identify the targets and I'm not talking about Ed's responsibilities in these parts. The CEO is supposed to negotiate with the clubs about good price for the targets both the manager and scouting network have identified. If you're struggling very team to get a deal for a good price, and always ends up overpaying or not paying at all, then you're simply not good at job. No one has said Ed should go and scout targets. That's not his job as a CEO. It can't be that everytime scouts and managers are targeting difficult targets. That speaks poorly about the negotiator.

If you think otherwise then feel free to not continue. It's up to you.

 

[Stactix]

Wrong. Scouting targets isn't the CEO job. That's the job of the manager and scouting network to identify the targets and I'm not talking about Ed's responsibilities in these parts. The CEO is supposed to negotiate with the clubs about good price for the targets both the manager and scouting network have identified. If you're struggling very team to get a deal for a good price, and always ends up overpaying or not paying at all, then you're simply not good at job. No one has said Ed should go and scout targets. That's not his job as a CEO.

At the end of the day, which of our rivals haven't overpaid recently?

 

[Johan07]

At the end of the window the club seemingly briefed to the Guardian the reason why some transfers were vetoed.

Googled that article, and I guess its detailed enough for it to be reasonable to think that the info was leaked by someone close at the club. Funny how articles like that quickly transitions to Woodward holding a "gigantic pressconference" in some peoples mind.....

 

[JPRouve]

Wrong. Scouting targets isn't the CEO job. That's the job of the manager and scouting network to identify the targets and I'm not talking about Ed's responsibilities in these parts. The CEO is supposed to negotiate with the clubs about good price for the targets both the manager and scouting network have identified. If you're struggling very team to get a deal for a good price, and always ends up overpaying or not paying at all, then you're simply not good at job. No one has said Ed should go and scout targets. That's not his job as a CEO. It can't be that everytime scouts and managers are targeting difficult targets. That speaks poorly about the negotiator.

If you think otherwise then feel free to not continue. It's up to you.

You realize that the CEO is responsible for everyone? If the scouts and managers don't target the correct players, it's his fault particularly if he actually go and try to negotiate from a position of weakness, you don't really think that they just summon him at the end of the process and send him negotiate, and that he just say accept without even studying the question? If he did that he would be absolutely incompetent and it would have nothing to do with his negotiations skills too.
And it's also not true that CEOs necessarily negotiate, it depends on the structure of the club, it can be the COO, DOF or sometimes they use intermediaries like agents.

In the end it's simple, if you want to haggle and get a good deal, you need to be in a position of strength and both sides need to be aware of it. The transfer market is based on rarity, the seller is generally the one holding all the cards because he has something that isn't really substitutable, you are not talking about carpets, it's more comparable to famous pieces of art.

 

[TheFlagStaysDown]

Because he kept running behind him the whole summer.

You are absolutely clueless. Why are you making things up? How do you know that? Of course you know feck all.

First of all if you wanna blame woodward for the first transfer window. Let me say woodward just replaced d. Gill and SAF who were workinng for the club for so long, you don’t go to your new job and turn everything upside down, straightaway in the biggest club in the world.

Second there’s no way he was walking and asking fabregas to join us all the time. Fabregas said it straight he wanted to go back to Chelsea. G Bale wasn’t gettable, how in the hell was that woodwards fault either? Moyes is known for bringing anichebe and pienar every tranfer window in to his team - sums him about up. Woodward then delivered for Van gaal without any fuss. Because clearly it was the manager who knew well, unlike out of his depth moyes.

I hate posters like you without any knowledge who like to make things completely up because it fits their agenda. Stop being frustrated and playing this pitiable blame game and grow up.

 

[el3mel]

You realize that the CEO is responsible for everyone? If the scouts and managers don't target the correct players, it's his fault particularly if he actually go and try to negotiate from a position of weakness, you don't really think that they just summon him at the end of the process and send him negotiate, and that he just say accept without even studying the question? If he did that he would be absolutely incompetent and it would have nothing to do with his negotiations skills too.
And it's also not true that CEOs necessarily negotiate, it depends on the structure of the club, it can be the COO, DOF or sometimes they use intermediaries like agents.

In the end it's simple, if you want to haggle and get a good deal, you need to be in a position of strength and both sides need to be aware of it. The transfer market is based on rarity, the seller is generally the one holding all the cards because he has something that isn't really substitutable, you are not talking about carpets, it's more comparable to famous pieces of art.

Managers and scouting network not targeting unfavorable targets can happen once or twice but can't be happening with most targets in most summer. You realize that we overpay and give big salaries for most players we buy then struggle to offload them when we realize that they're average right ? You can't simply say that we entered every deal of these in an unfavorable or weak positions. Doesn't make any kind of sense unless we have the most incompetent scouting network and most incompetent managers when it comes to scouting ( which also doesn't make sense, considering that we had 3 managers with 3 different ideas and we're struggling to have any bargain deal ).

In our club it's the manager and scouting network that scouts and CEO that negotiates the price and pay. It's illogical and unfair to also blame the scouting network and manager for the job CEO is supposed to do. Can you tell me exactly at which point can we consider the CEO incompetent in his job by your logic, If even the overpaying is due to scouts identifying unfavorable targets and putting him in weak position ? At which job in the process of transfers can we blame him for ?

 

[JPRouve]

Managers and scouting network not targeting unfavorable targets can happen once or twice but can't be happening with most targets in most summer. You realize that we overpay and give big salaries for most players we buy then struggle to offload them when we realize that they're average right ? You can't simply say that we entered every deal of these in an unfavorable or weak positions. Doesn't make any kind of sense unless we have the most incompetent scouting network and most incompetent managers when it comes to scouting ( which also doesn't make sense, considering that we had 3 managers with 3 different ideas and we're struggling to have any bargain deal ).

In our club it's the manager and scouting network that scouts and CEO that negotiates the price and pay. It's illogical and unfair to also blame the scouting network and manager for the job CEO is supposed to do. Can you tell me exactly at which point can we consider the CEO incompetent in his job by your logic, If even the overpaying is due to scouts identifying unfavorable targets and putting him in weak position ? At which job in the process of transfers can we blame him for ?

So you basically have no clue. We bought players from Southampton, Athletic, Benfica, Chelsea, Everton and Juventus, none of these clubs are known to offer bargain, Athletic is a club that doesn't even negotiate. You have three english clubs none of them need money and their players were wanted by other clubs, Benfica are the kings of the fleece from Coentrao to Sanches they fleeced every club that has come near them. Then you have Blind, Darmian and Rojo player that we bought for reasonable amounts of money, Rojo could have been cheaper but it was in the usual range. Mkhitaryan was coming out of his best season and Bailly was also targeted by City, if I'm not mistaken, which logically drove the prices up.

So it's very much about the players that we target and where they are coming from.

 

[el3mel]

So you basically have no clue. We bought players from Southampton, Athletic, Benfica, Chelsea, Everton and Juventus, none of these clubs are known to offer bargain, Athletic is a club that doesn't even negotiate. You have three english clubs none of them need money and their players were wanted by other clubs, Benfica are the kings of the fleece from Coentrao to Sanches they fleeced every club that has come near them. Then you have Blind, Darmian and Rojo player that we bought for reasonable amounts of money, Rojo could have been cheaper but it was in the usual range. Mkhitaryan was coming out of his best season and Bailly was also targeted by City, if I'm not mistaken, which logically drove the prices up.

So it's very much about the players that we target and where they are coming from.

So I suppose from your post he has done nothing wrong at all so far. He got the players at very good prices and even if he overpays for some it's due to scouts putting him in unfavorable position or there's competition with it, but he himself according to your last 3 posts is absolutely blameless. Everything wrong happened is due to something or someone else. Don't say I misinterpreted your posts because there's no other way really.

Ok then, I think that's a fair point to end this discussion. There's no need to go any farther as you said earlier.

 

[JPRouve]

So I suppose from your post he has done nothing wrong at all so far. He got the players at very good prices and even if he overpays for some it's due to scouts putting him in unfavorable position or there's competition with it, but he himself according to your last 3 posts is absolutely blameless. Everything wrong happened is due to something or someone else. Don't say I misinterpreted your posts because there's no other way really.

Ok then, I think that's a fair point to end this discussion. There's no need to go any farther as you said earlier.

You can't be serious? I told you that he is responsible for the people under him, it's his job to recognize that they aren't doing a good job and fix it. It's an easy concept to understand.

 

[Patrick08]

At the end of the day, which of our rivals haven't overpaid recently?

Real madrid haven't overpaid in recent era. They identify the targets in advance, players run down contracts and then they pounce on the right moment. Isco asensio, kroos casemiro navas courtois ..shrewed purchases. Hazard is running down his contract as well waiting for Madrid to pounce.

We have no plan, no stable style of play and scatter gun approach all over. Our scouting has also been atrocious.

 

[SAFFID]

I didn't know exactly where to post this, but I thought this thread about Ed Woodward would be fitting.
If people would like more insight into how our club is being run financially, I would very much recommend watching this short video (6 minutes). It's really well made and makes things easier to understand.


The video basically illustrates exactly how our club is being prostituted for monetary purposes, and how the owners really don't have to care about the football side of things, with the club being so profitable regardless of the on-the-pitch performances.

I would just like to add, that this is not necessarily Ed Woodwards fault. The fault seems to lie with the Glazers more than anybody else.

 

[steffyr2]

Googled that article, and I guess its detailed enough for it to be reasonable to think that the info was leaked by someone close at the club. Funny how articles like that quickly transitions to Woodward holding a "gigantic pressconference" in some peoples mind.....

If you look a little more, every paper was briefed. It had to be a big room.

 

[Christie]

You are absolutely clueless. Why are you making things up? How do you know that? Of course you know feck all.

First of all if you wanna blame woodward for the first transfer window. Let me say woodward just replaced d. Gill and SAF who were workinng for the club for so long, you don’t go to your new job and turn everything upside down, straightaway in the biggest club in the world.

Second there’s no way he was walking and asking fabregas to join us all the time. Fabregas said it straight he wanted to go back to Chelsea. G Bale wasn’t gettable, how in the hell was that woodwards fault either? Moyes is known for bringing anichebe and pienar every tranfer window in to his team - sums him about up. Woodward then delivered for Van gaal without any fuss. Because clearly it was the manager who knew well, unlike out of his depth moyes.

I hate posters like you without any knowledge who like to make things completely up because it fits their agenda. Stop being frustrated and playing this pitiable blame game and grow up.

He's the one who promised Moyes those players, Moyes said so himself. If those players aren't gettable, then what why the feck is the club targetting them? And why did they not get Felliani until it was too late?

We used to blame Moyes for this, but it is clear now whose fault it is. Now I really wonder who gave Rooney that contract extension. Surely that is not up to the head coach Moyes

 

[Giggsyking]

The best thing Ed ever did, is to oppose more of Jose's stupid buys. If I was in Ed's place now, I would tell Jose, show me how you are the special one after spending a fortune and buying a player in almost every position, you have till Christmas to show us.

 

[lsd]

He's the one who promised Moyes those players, Moyes said so himself. If those players aren't gettable, then what why the feck is the club targetting them? And why did they not get Felliani until it was too late?

We used to blame Moyes for this, but it is clear now whose fault it is. Now I really wonder who gave Rooney that contract extension. Surely that is not up to the head coach Moyes

You are seriously taking the word of Moyes?

After everything Moyes has said since we sacked him somehow you take his word as gospel .

I wouldn't believe Moyes if he said he was Scottish

 

[steffyr2]

The best thing Ed ever did, is to oppose more of Jose's stupid buys. If I was in Ed's place now, I would tell Jose, show me how you are the special one after spending a fortune and buying a player in almost every position, you have till Christmas to show us.

Of course you would. Because the point of Utd isn't to win games & titles, it's to show Mourinho what's what.