LVG had the same complaints.
Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)
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LVG had the same complaints.
A sacked manager who if he was in charge now would still have Rooney up front .
What about the players LVG got rid off ? Was that Ed's fault too?
So all managers in charge of United in Eds tenure (Jose included) have taken issue with the transfer policy. And yet, they're all wrong.
Right, OK.
Sky sports have a nice little background on our transfer committee. Go check it out. Apparently Paul Mitchell is being looked at for DOF.
He literally said in his post he wants Ed to tell Mourinho to prove he’s the special one and win games, which would equal winning titles. Without having to spend another £150 million on top of the £300 million he’s already spent - because we all know money doesn’t buy titles.
He should be getting part of the blame too. When he didn't let Mou buy a defender, the reason was that he's already bought on his time here. Ironically, Ed has also hired 3 managers and hasnt work out. So, going by that logic, if Mou is to leave, Ed should too.
You think he is bad at his job?
1, He has grown the club
2, Increased share price
3, Increased revenue
4, Increased profit
5, He is making the owners stacks of cash
The only failing he has is that he brings in the wrong manager, but this is minor. Why? See points 1-5.
I realise that a lot of you are football and fans and all you care about is results on the pitch. Ed's primary goal, on the other hand, is to improve our financials, which he is doing.
This season, Jose's task is to get top 4 (or CL football for next season). With Jose's track record, he should be able to achieve this.
Minor, huh? Money wont do the talking.
1-5 is all he should be doing. Somebody else should do the footballing side (the most important side) of things in which he has failed miserably.
Who knows that?
Not really. If he calls himself in-charge of football operations, then that is also his primary goal and he will be evaluated on those grounds as well.
I don't think it's Ed's fault Mourinho has made such a mess - which he can still turn around. The day Jose realizes that the club don't spend 70 million too often on 30 year olds is the day Jose can bring in whoever he wants that is right for the club.
It's unthinkable to think that an elite manager has had 5 transfer windows and unlimited spending and still can't sort out a defense. Elite managers should be able to spot unpolished gems once in a while ready to be polished and brought to the next level. Jose has yet to prove he can do that and now is his final chance to prove he can.
It's unthinkable to think that an elite manager has had 5 transfer windows and unlimited spending and still can't sort out a defense. Elite managers should be able to spot unpolished gems once in a while ready to be polished and brought to the next level. Jose has yet to prove he can do that and now is his final chance to prove he can.
Woodward wasn't a problem when LVG was around was he? - problem is that fans were so sure of Jose winning things by 2 years time and stared looking for any shortcoming as one that puts Jose off as one.
Woodward isn't the sole problem & is aldeirweireld & Willian away from being blameless whilst the same can't be said for the football we play.
Atleast he is getting a dof to keep things constant - last thing we need is a constant continuity of Jose's football at United.
Woodward isn't the sole problem & is aldeirweireld & Willian away from being blameless whilst the same can't be said for the football we play.
Atleast he is getting a dof to keep things constant - last thing we need is a constant continuity of Jose's football at United.
I said he should show us how special he is (be a title contender).
Yeah, I read that one. Everyone that thinks that Woodward is handling everything by himself should have a look at it. It actually describes a pretty functional organization me thinks. I have also and still am advocating the appointment of a DoF.
If anything else because it would publicly shift focus from this stupid narrative that Woodward himself is making a lot of football decisions in his own chamber. He obviously doesnt. Its a much more reasonable guess that he trusts the scouting setup and Matt Judge to handle that.
I would also argue that we are probably the one club of the top6 that gives the manager the most input when it comes to transfers. Something that we carry with us from Sir Alex time at the club.
So I am all for appointing a DoF, but I am not so sure that it will have that big of an effect as people (and myself) thought before. The SKY-article describes a pretty functional and effective system already in place.
Also, the buck will always stop with Woodward no matter how many DoFs we appoint. Because there will be financial restrictions. A wage budget and transfer budget. After reading that article I am more convinced that Woodwards involvement in the footballing part of the operations is already minimal and much less than the tabloids make it out to be.
This narrative of Ed and Mourinho fighting over which players that should be signed and whose signings a certain player is I have always found to be BS to be honest.
Yeah I agree I did say in another’s threat it would be naive to think Ed is out here knowing who the hell Varane is and how good he is compared to Alderwild. I’m being abit extreme but I’m sure he trusts in a committe to derive opinions on players and player value at that too.
Of course that's what you said -- that the wealthiest club in the world shouldn't attempt to win things, that they should play games with their manager instead.
Wonder what that looks like to the players we have, to the players we're trying to recruit, and to any new managers we may want?
The board cant win things. The team can. The board get a manager who they think is capable of winning trophies and buy players for him. Now into the third season and after spending more than 350 m pounds, why would the board have blind faith in the manager?
Shaw was one of our best players today and has been all season. It’s alleged that the board wanted him to play more football before giving up on him. New contract given.
Martial scored two great goals today. It’s alleged the board rate him highly and believe that selling young players with huge potential (and replacing them with 30 year olds) would be bad business for the long term future of the club.
Well done, Ed.
Martial scored two great goals today. It’s alleged the board rate him highly and believe that selling young players with huge potential (and replacing them with 30 year olds) would be bad business for the long term future of the club.
Well done, Ed.
Agreed.
Another points dropped because of him. "We don't need defenders. I know better than our coach.", he said. 16 goals conceded in 9 games. 17th in league. feck you Ed
Indeed.
According to some experts on here Ed knows nothing about football and he should do everything Jose demands without question.
That includes binning off our most talented players and replacing them with expensive 30 year olds.
Him and Evra sitting together a few games seems strange. The joking Evra loved by the fans and the stern businessman Ed is quite a combo.
I remember there was rumours back in the day that Ed didn’t give Evra a good send off.
I remember there was rumours back in the day that Ed didn’t give Evra a good send off.
This. Some were giving him grief for not giving Chelsea Martial and we taking fecking Willian.
Look at the Matic thread. Absolutely right to out his foot down.
Paddy's probably paid big bucks to make Woody look in touch with the club during games.
Yeah, what is it with Woody and Evra? Wonder what the deal is?
Something is definitely going on
This
Or maybe Evra's got time off and wanted to watch a few games? Not everything needs to have a subtler meaning.
Woodward was so right to veto Martial's sale, if briefings are to be believed. But he now needs to make amends for his mistake and sanction a defensive signing in January.
Some french bloke's assistant?
considering the scrutiny the club have been under I would be amazed if they were being this public about it. Its the first gossip people will conclude
We could've won today if we had Alderweireld. Small margins.
Unfortunately Woodward is a big part of the problem at United post 2013.
Unfortunately Woodward is a big part of the problem at United post 2013.
My thoughts exactly. The guy is a clown.
Or look at it another way, we probably wouldn't have gotten the draw if he had allowed Jose to sell Martial... just how it goes.
Because they want to win things.
^This is really not that difficult to understand, is it? If the club want to win, they have to provide their manager with the tools his needs. What other path is there?
You're pretending that there's some other way for Utd to succeed. If they didn't want to support their manager, they should have fired him. Rather than whatever they're doing now, which i expect involves a lot of really nice buffet lunches.
Of course the club needs to back its manager but the board has the right to say things are clearly not working and they have good reason to.
A £50m midfielder can't get a game, we are already discussing replacements for a £40m midfielder we signed a year ago. When the manager starts asking you to sell one of your brightest talents in a swap deal for a 32 year old winger, you have received to start asking questions.
Fact is,club and manager aren't on the same page when it comes to transfers. Doesn't mean you should just give the manager a blank cheque.
Of course we needed a centreback. But Ed is right to say he's not spending loads of money on a other old player.
This club cannot afford to go into another window without a DoF/Technical director.
Just look at the main page of the forum. That's nearly £200m worth of talent we've bought in less than a year with question marks hanging over them.
A £50m midfielder can't get a game, we are already discussing replacements for a £40m midfielder we signed a year ago. When the manager starts asking you to sell one of your brightest talents in a swap deal for a 32 year old winger, you have received to start asking questions.
Fact is,club and manager aren't on the same page when it comes to transfers. Doesn't mean you should just give the manager a blank cheque.
Of course we needed a centreback. But Ed is right to say he's not spending loads of money on a other old player.
This club cannot afford to go into another window without a DoF/Technical director.
Just look at the main page of the forum. That's nearly £200m worth of talent we've bought in less than a year with question marks hanging over them.
What evidence is there that Jose was going to sell Martial but Woodward stopped it?
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