I dont understand why we cant appoint someone sooner, I mean you dont really have to do much due diligence with a lot of the top candidates.
Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)
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Who are the actual candidates?
My guess would be Monchi and Berta and Jose would probably like Branca or his mate Luis Campos. I doubt however Woodward would appoint someone who is pally with Jose.
The talk is that were are appointing a technical director and not a DoF. That's just killed the excitement for me.
Significant decision needs to be made by Woodward, probably his biggest decision after Moyes appointment. The new world order is to have continuity through DoF and managers can come and go depending on how they deliver. Through DoF clubs are establishing their philosophy so to speak. We have been behind other clubs from last 7-8 years in terms of modernizing the club. SAF's brilliance covered a lot of cracks. Time to upgrade the entire the club, to match our reputation and financial standing in the football world.
You don't trust the club to employ a manager who can make the right transfers for the club but you do trust the club to employ a director of football who will dictate transfers and employ managers?
It just looks like another point of failure to me. What's to say we will employ the right person?
But you don't know if these people are interested by the job, so you should see why we might not appoint someone sooner. If we appoint someone at all.
Campos did say that he would be interested in the job. It was in an interview he gave to Yahoo.
I would like to see Monchi or Berta but I think that for Jose to succeed he needs to be backed by people. ..(he trusts, like Campos).
Only Marrota would excite me if he got the job. Whether he'd consider leaving Juve for a huge paycheck is another matter.
I would like him if we get Allegri too. But isn't he more of a CEO rather than a pure DOF?
He's as pure a DOF as you can get. Coaches tell him the position they need players in, he gets the players. He also hires and fires them. The sort of man we need handling our purse strings.
Ok, thought he handled the non-football related matters too. But do you think Woody and the club will give him that much power? It's basically putting the football related affairs on the club in his hands.
Gary Neville as DoF
Knows the club, it's football philosophy and has the business acumen to help him negotiate transfers.
Knows the club, it's football philosophy and has the business acumen to help him negotiate transfers.
This makes a lot of sense.
I totally worry about this.
Everything unfortunately points to us messing up this appointment along with all the other duds. Would the wrong DOF set us back even further for longer? It feels like the club are backing out of the dof hiring and getting a technical director? Are they making a huge mistake not going the dof route? I just don’t trust these guys to make the right footballing decisions anymore as things stand. Sad really. We are filthy rich so why is it seemingly so hard to have a really good and relatively drama free football team?
Personally, I liked the idea of Butt, particularly when there is a lot of excellent people in youth football circles that could replace him and if I'm not mistaken England has some of them.
Good shout. The only I have doubt about Nicky is his lack of business acumen. I would think you would need some negotiating skills.
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I’m not sold on this move, but if we do I think Brian McClair might be an effective appointment.
I'd quite like to offer Van Nistelrooy the role personally. See if he accepts. He's a smart savvy guy.
It just seems like the perfect role for his style.
Even Van Der Sar would be perfect.
Van Nistelrooy though should be involved with the club as he was part of 2 successful United teams (the post 99 treble winning team and the 2008 team) plus he's had injuries so can relate to players and would command instant respect in a board room setting. Played for 2 of the biggest clubs ever in us and RM. CL record top scorer for years.
It just seems like the perfect role for his style.
Even Van Der Sar would be perfect.
Van Nistelrooy though should be involved with the club as he was part of 2 successful United teams (the post 99 treble winning team and the 2008 team) plus he's had injuries so can relate to players and would command instant respect in a board room setting. Played for 2 of the biggest clubs ever in us and RM. CL record top scorer for years.
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Ruud is a hero, but he wasn't part of the 08 team.
Um... What? Van Nistelrooy was most certainly not here for that. Left in 2006 I think.
How does having injuries make someone better at relating to players? Surely just being a player makes him able to relate to players?
Gary Neville would be my pick. Please don’t kill me.
RVN left United in 2006, him leaving coincided with us becoming a real force in Europe again.
Shame RVP was kind of in between two great eras - if it could have been a few years earlier or later he and United would have won even more!
Bottom line is we're Manchester United and we are a pretty big deal. Why not appoint a director of football who has a track record in this kind of thing. How would Butt, McLair command instant respect with no track record? DoF should be there to build the long-term plan in line with the ideals of the club and support the manager to achieve that. Not seeing a Nicky Butt standing up to a Riola or any other super agent when trying to keep a prima donna footballer. Keep him on the training pitch where he is doing what he is good at.
I completely agree. I would go for someone who as an excellent track record in building successful teams in clubs with turnovers in the region of EUR 200/300, which regularly compete in Champions League. Someone who is therefore used to negotiate at the highest level, with an outstanding network, and able to do an efficient and wise use of the resources he is given (which at Man Utd would be much higher than those he is currently used to). Monchi from Roma for example would be a good option.
Alternatively, I would make a indispensable offer to Marotta and Paratici from Juventus. Juve turnover is more than EUR 300 mn but significanly lower than Man Utd one, and these two guys managed to build a team able to regularly compete for CL. This achievement is particularly worth noting since Juve turnover has grown only in the very last seasons. Below is a list of some of the transfers they have signed in the past years, total cost is below EUR 200mn. I can’t imagine what team they would build if they had Man Utd budget
Emre Can 0
Matuidi 20
Benatia 17
Szcezny 12
Dani Alves 0
Pjanic 32
Dyabala 40
Alex Sandro 26
Manzukic 21
Khedira 0
Rugani 5
Coman 0
Tevez 9
Llorente 0
Pogba 0
Vidal 12,5
Pirlo 0
Barzagli 0,3
Atletico's DoF would be my top priority as the DoF. Fantastic DoF, particularly when it comes to goalkeepers and strikers.
He's not been too shabby with defenders either by the look of it.
Absolute joke, this guy is a has been and the only thing of note on his resume is the fact that he only got outclasses by Mayweather.
They've got pretty decent midfielders too!
They've just generally got quite a decent team really
Did I miss something?
I’d guess he’s talking about Andre Berto, who did in fact fight and subsequently lose to Floyd Mayweather.
Just wondering, what makes you believe he's so good?
Apparently responsible for Griezmann and Oblak, albeit, surely Griezmann was well known by the time Ath Madrid signed him? I think even we were linked with him briefly back then?
It’s hard to argue against a man who gets you Oblak, Alderweireld, Gimenez and Griezmann for less than 50m and even when he makes a mistake a la Martinez doesn’t do too much damage financially however surely Mitchell is running him close. Dele Ali, Dier and Trippier for what 20m combined. He also brought Werner to RB Leipzig.
Zorc, Monchi and Henrique should also be considered.
I don’t know about the Juventus guy(Patrici) being on the shortlist because we heard it all before. A lot of his signings were being attributed to Ribalta no? I know he was only here a year and we don’t know what groundwork he did behind the scenes however you would imagine Dalot was a Mourinho connection and Fred was a club signing. He wanted Goretza and Can but you’d expect a little bit more from him.
Zorc, Monchi and Henrique should also be considered.
I don’t know about the Juventus guy(Patrici) being on the shortlist because we heard it all before. A lot of his signings were being attributed to Ribalta no? I know he was only here a year and we don’t know what groundwork he did behind the scenes however you would imagine Dalot was a Mourinho connection and Fred was a club signing. He wanted Goretza and Can but you’d expect a little bit more from him.
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