Maguire's Redemption | One-year option triggered

Robbie Boy said:
Yeah but Milenkovic had shown previously that he's a very good player. That's why he had been linked with big money moves. Have no idea what the back story is as to why he was so cheap/bigger clubs weren't interested.
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So Milenkovic getting his "big career move" at the age of 27 for peanuts to a team that was expected to be mid-table at best, despite several big clubs, including United themselves having monitored him for 5+ years at this point, is an argument that should boost the player in everyone's eyes? That everyone passed on him even for peanuts?

Whereas Maguire being one of the best defenders in the league at Leicester and courted by the likes of City and United at 26 somehow equals he's not shown he's a very good player?

Big clubs were ready to pay big bucks for Maguire when he was Milenkovic's age. One of them did pay the big bucks and Maguire has always been one of our best players whenever we had a settled team that's at least half-decent and well-drilled collectively.

Milenkovic on the other hand has been overlooked by every top club for the last 5 years despite obviously everyone being aware of him, and just 12m was enough to finally get him out of Fiorentina, but it was a mid-table club playing defensive football that decided it was time to buy him.

That's a laughably low fee as well, considering he was 26 and every Italian club knows they can milk PL teams dry for their money. His contract wasn't even running out. He had 3 years left on his deal when Forest signed him. :lol:
 
AndySmith1990 said:
So are wingbacks. We don't have any. Just a few players who are being shoehorned in
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Which is why I started my sentence with "Wingbacks yes". I don't think we need more number 10s as urgently as we do Wingbacks and midfielders. My priority order would be:

1. Wingbacks
2. Midfielders
3. A Striker who can score
4. Alternatives at 10
 
The redemption arch will not happen. As soon as Maguire messes up, the vultures will be out. We all know he is a sinking boat waiting to happen. He must be a masochist, loves the pain when it comes, otherwise he would have scampered off by now

Seriously, how shocking are Manchester United's standards? Keeping below par poor footballers because "beggars can't be choosers". Triggering this option illustrates why this club has fallen from grace. Patch work without planning.

The fans are used to failure and spend most of the time defending the indefensible. We all thought Berrada coming from a successful city side under Pep meant he would bring an aura of organisation and insight. If anything, he is part of the utter shambles

Manchester United has become zombie land. A club in perennial transition and constant rebuild. A club with footballers without structure or winning mentality. I suppose Magure fits perfectly, he is after all an embodiment of the failure this club has become. He will fit nicely in the championship.

Why stop at giving him a new deal? Give the bastion of success such as Luke Shaw new long term contract, open another KFC nearby. Let them all plump up nicely. They are not exactly here to win or make progress. Just here to masquerade as Manchester United players, feeding off the work of previous top players.
 
I’m not Maguire’s biggest fan but I think from a squad perspective keeping one of him or Evans was necessary as otherwise we would be looking at needing 2 new CBs in the summer, maybe 3 if we received a serious bid for Martinez.

I think the point of this extension is multi-faceted:

1. As above, it saves us spending on another back-up CB this summer, which would be hard to do for less than the £8-10m his wages will cost us next year.

2. As Amorim states, we do need some leaders in the squad and we are skint of them currently. Plus many of the current players we might consider leaders either will not be here or are not guaranteed to be here next year (Bruno, Martinez, Eriksen, Casemiro, Evans, etc).

3. Looking at the potential outgoings, we may start to encounter issues with homegrown numbers in our squad. Extending Maguire’s contract by a year helps ease any potential challenge with that by a year hopefully.
 
No problem at all keeping Maguire.
Like everyone says, we'll probably lose Lindelof and Evans, and Maguire is still a solid backup option who can start 20 games a season. It's one more player we don't have to buy!
 
Maguire hasn’t been terrible for us this season. Keeping Maguire gives us a capable starter and solid backup. Yes, we should be looking to move on from him as a starter, but there’s going to be a lot of turnover, so keeping him for time being makes sense.
 
It makes sense to keep him if we’re playing the 3 at the back. One more year is reasonable considering Lindelof and Evans will likely depart.
 
daba said:
I’m not Maguire’s biggest fan but I think from a squad perspective keeping one of him or Evans was necessary as otherwise we would be looking at needing 2 new CBs in the summer, maybe 3 if we received a serious bid for Martinez.

I think the point of this extension is multi-faceted:

1. As above, it saves us spending on another back-up CB this summer, which would be hard to do for less than the £8-10m his wages will cost us next year.

2. As Amorim states, we do need some leaders in the squad and we are skint of them currently. Plus many of the current players we might consider leaders either will not be here or are not guaranteed to be here next year (Bruno, Martinez, Eriksen, Casemiro, Evans, etc).

3. Looking at the potential outgoings, we may start to encounter issues with homegrown numbers in our squad. Extending Maguire’s contract by a year helps ease any potential challenge with that by a year hopefully.
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(1) There goes that nonsensical "preserving value" theory that has been used to keep dreadful players at the club. Ashley Young, Martial, Phil Jones. I can reel them off and none of these decisions have led to success.

Manchester United must be ruthless in its endeavor to return to the top. Maintaining patch work poor footballers because you are "scared" to find replacement is laughable. It is better to develop academy center backs or buying potentially top players than keeping Maguire.

(2) Maguire quibbled under the captaincy stewardship. He became a global laughing stock and compilation of his performances are renowned online. He was also a key member in a squad that has constantly fallen apart once the going gets tough. Maguire is not a representative of a top leader, whatever that might be. Only a few seasons ago, he was fighting the greek police officers and getting pending court cases.

If Amorim is relying on him for leadership, he won't last here either. He is making the same error as the previous managers. His tactics are already suspicious as it is. Just like Ten Hag and other previous managers, if he thinks he won't get binned off for failing to meet compulsory standards then he is having a laugh

(3) Home grown quota.. again, this can be solved by bringing players through the academy. It is not a reason to keep a dreadful footballer who the English media have made out to be a victim simply because most people observe that he is a poor footballer.
 
Revival2024 said:
(1) There goes that nonsensical "preserving value" theory that has been used to keep dreadful players at the club. Ashley Young, Martial, Phil Jones. I can reel them off and none of these decisions have led to success.

Manchester United must be ruthless in its endeavor to return to the top. Maintaining patch work poor footballers because you are "scared" to find replacement is laughable. It is better to develop academy center backs or buying potentially top players than keeping Maguire.

(2) Maguire quibbled under the captaincy stewardship. He became a global laughing stock and compilation of his performances are renowned online. He was also a key member in a squad that has constantly fallen apart once the going gets tough. Maguire is not a representative of a top leader, whatever that might be. Only a few seasons ago, he was fighting the greek police officers and getting pending court cases.

If Amorim is relying on him for leadership, he won't last here either. He is making the same error as the previous managers. His tactics are already suspicious as it is. Just like Ten Hag and other previous managers, if he thinks he won't get binned off for failing to meet compulsive standards then he is having a laugh

(3) Home grown quota.. again, this can be solved by bringing players through the academy. It is not a reason to keep a dreadful footballer who the English media have made out to be a victim simply because most people observe that he is a poor footballer.
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What if they are worse?

We've been getting rid of mediocre players but not improving for a few years now.
 
Revival2024 said:
(1) There goes that nonsensical "preserving value" theory that has been used to keep dreadful players at the club. Ashley Young, Martial, Phil Jones. I can reel them off and none of these decisions have led to success.

Manchester United must be ruthless in its endeavor to return to the top. Maintaining patch work poor footballers because you are "scared" to find replacement is laughable. It is better to develop academy center backs or buying potentially top players than keeping Maguire.

(2) Maguire quibbled under the captaincy stewardship. He became a global laughing stock and compilation of his performances are renowned online. He was also a key member in a squad that has constantly fallen apart once the going gets tough. Maguire is not a representative of a top leader, whatever that might be. Only a few seasons ago, he was fighting the greek police officers and getting pending court cases.

If Amorim is relying on him for leadership, he won't last here either. He is making the same error as the previous managers. His tactics are already suspicious as it is. Just like Ten Hag and other previous managers, if he thinks he won't get binned off for failing to meet compulsory standards then he is having a laugh

(3) Home grown quota.. again, this can be solved by bringing players through the academy. It is not a reason to keep a dreadful footballer who the English media have made out to be a victim simply because most people observe that he is a poor footballer.
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Maguire is a top player.
 
horsechoker said:
Premier League proven before us too
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Martial was a top player too. Jones and Young too tbf. The first two had their careers ruined by injuries, but I can't see how they were "dreadful players". 19/20 Martial would literally be one of the best players in the league today.

Young was a good servant for us and his career is kind of underrated IMO. Reinvented himself many times and played for big clubs and was a great person to have in your team, and a selfless hard worker. He wasn't the flamboyant winger post his first United season but I've always liked squad players like him and it's not like our misfortunes happened because we had him in the squad. Weird mentality.

I find it impossible to hate on these players or call them dreadful. Maybe Jones's comments on Rangnick were a little tone deaf and rude but at the same time I think his injuries completely ruined him mentally too, not just physically.
 
It’s a sensible extension given we play a back three, struggle with set pieces and will be losing Evans and Lindelof in the summer. Of the 3 he would be the one to keep until we can sign a replacement in summer 2026.

It enables us to prioritise some expensive signings in our wingback, striker and midfield/no 10 positions in the next window.
 
Terrible decision, this club will head nowhere but trend downwards as long as we keep rewarding mediocrity. Maguire was never cut out for the club even when we considered him to be worth £80m. At age 31, he isn't either. All this talk of redemption and him being a top player feels like a big joke, I certainly hope these posters are being paid to peddle this crap because no one who has seriously watched him stink the place out for years can have this take.

Just another mediocre player we'll pay a kings ransom for forseeable future. Sickening.
 
190k a week is a lot for a squad player. Not overly happy that we are keeping him. Would have rather try and extend to a 3 year contract on 70k a week (what he is worth).
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Of course, but he's also just spent the last 7 years at a fairly middling Fiorentina. It's not crazy to envisage a world where he comes to the PL and isn't great... probably why a club like Forest took the punt.
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He's doing well, but so are Forest in general. He may well rapidly decline when Forest inevitably hit a slump. Right now, it's all going their way.
 
Rojofiam said:
So Milenkovic getting his "big career move" at the age of 27 for peanuts to a team that was expected to be mid-table at best, despite several big clubs, including United themselves having monitored him for 5+ years at this point, is an argument that should boost the player in everyone's eyes? That everyone passed on him even for peanuts?

Whereas Maguire being one of the best defenders in the league at Leicester and courted by the likes of City and United at 26 somehow equals he's not shown he's a very good player?

Big clubs were ready to pay big bucks for Maguire when he was Milenkovic's age. One of them did pay the big bucks and Maguire has always been one of our best players whenever we had a settled team that's at least half-decent and well-drilled collectively.

Milenkovic on the other hand has been overlooked by every top club for the last 5 years despite obviously everyone being aware of him, and just 12m was enough to finally get him out of Fiorentina, but it was a mid-table club playing defensive football that decided it was time to buy him.

That's a laughably low fee as well, considering he was 26 and every Italian club knows they can milk PL teams dry for their money. His contract wasn't even running out. He had 3 years left on his deal when Forest signed him. :lol:
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No idea what this waffle is about. Certainly nothing to do with my conversation.

Though your devout loyalty to Maguire is commendable.
 
Kush said:
Terrible decision, this club will head nowhere but trend downwards as long as we keep rewarding mediocrity. Maguire was never cut out for the club even when we considered him to be worth £80m. At age 31, he isn't either. All this talk of redemption and him being a top player feels like a big joke, I certainly hope these posters are being paid to peddle this crap because no one who has seriously watched him stink the place out for years can have this take.

Just another mediocre player we'll pay a kings ransom for forseeable future. Sickening.
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Yup.
 
edgecutter said:
190k a week is a lot for a squad player. Not overly happy that we are keeping him. Would have rather try and extend to a 3 year contract on 70k a week (what he is worth).
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Problem is that he has no incentive to take that contract when he can just leave in the summer and get better from elsewhere. We are also talking about him as someone it makes sense to retain for another season whilst we address other areas of the team so why make it 3 years? If the plan is to move on from him in 12 months we have then created more deadwood. I am fairly sure the idea is to retain for one more season and either sign a replacement in 2026 or hope that Kukonki or another acadamy lad emerges to take his spot.
 
Revival2024 said:
(1) There goes that nonsensical "preserving value" theory that has been used to keep dreadful players at the club. Ashley Young, Martial, Phil Jones. I can reel them off and none of these decisions have led to success.

Manchester United must be ruthless in its endeavor to return to the top. Maintaining patch work poor footballers because you are "scared" to find replacement is laughable. It is better to develop academy center backs or buying potentially top players than keeping Maguire.

(2) Maguire quibbled under the captaincy stewardship. He became a global laughing stock and compilation of his performances are renowned online. He was also a key member in a squad that has constantly fallen apart once the going gets tough. Maguire is not a representative of a top leader, whatever that might be. Only a few seasons ago, he was fighting the greek police officers and getting pending court cases.

If Amorim is relying on him for leadership, he won't last here either. He is making the same error as the previous managers. His tactics are already suspicious as it is. Just like Ten Hag and other previous managers, if he thinks he won't get binned off for failing to meet compulsory standards then he is having a laugh

(3) Home grown quota.. again, this can be solved by bringing players through the academy. It is not a reason to keep a dreadful footballer who the English media have made out to be a victim simply because most people observe that he is a poor footballer.
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This isn’t a case of “preserving value” IMO.

What I will agree with you on though is that our homegrown quota issue can be resolved by our academy. However the current outstanding crop of players are all aged 16 to 18 rather than 19 to 20, so it’s probably too soon to be throwing a 17 y/o Godwill Kukonki into the mix as a direct replacement for a former club and national captain in our squad.

That could be the vision long-term but maybe the club see that we’re a year too soon, in which case it makes sense to reluctantly renew Maguire for one last year and give Kukonki another year to develop.
 
Assuming we triggered it without wage reduction, and are seriously intending to keep him rather than just continuing availability for sale, United management are a bunch of morons - everybody from Berrada to Wilcox to Amorim.

There is not a club in the world that would want Maguire at his current 190K/week wages. Actually, there is not a club in the world that would want him at a penny over 100K/week

So, why do we? He is OK at most and has has quite a few injuries too
 
Not a fan of this decision.

We have a serious lack of pace and athleticism in the team. We're suffering for stockpiling the slowest centre back options on earth.

Need a complete rebuild of our centre back options, ones who can actually run.
 
I think this is a reasonable solution.
Saves us money for a new CB or if we get offered 10 mil in the summer we can still sell him.
Harry is good enough for an occasional starter for another year and lets us focus on critical positions for 2 more windows.
 
Summer of 24/25 we lost Varane and to a lesser extent Kambwala we replaced them with 1 player Yoro

Summer of 25/26 we will lose Evans and Lindelof and one will need to be replaced so it makes sense to extent Maguire’s contract.

Summer of 26/27 we will release Shaw and Maguire and will possibly need 2 CB’s (hopefully our financial /PL positional situation will be better )
 
RedRoach said:
Wingbacks yes but we need reinforcements in midfield urgently. Casemiro and Eriksson are done at the top level. We only have Ugarte and Mainoo. Midfield is massive problem.
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Agree.

And this is why Maguire is being extended. There are so many areas that need improvement that having to bring in a Maguire replacement is not something that should be kicked down the road.
 
Red00012 said:
Summer of 24/25 we lost Varane and to a lesser extent Kambwala we replaced them with 1 player Yoro

Summer of 25/26 we will lose Evans and Lindelof and one will need to be replaced so it makes sense to extent Maguire’s contract.

Summer of 26/27 we will release Shaw and Maguire and will possibly need 2 CB’s (hopefully our financial /PL positional situation will be better )
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We bought MDL too.
 
Kush said:
Terrible decision, this club will head nowhere but trend downwards as long as we keep rewarding mediocrity. Maguire was never cut out for the club even when we considered him to be worth £80m. At age 31, he isn't either. All this talk of redemption and him being a top player feels like a big joke, I certainly hope these posters are being paid to peddle this crap because no one who has seriously watched him stink the place out for years can have this take.

Just another mediocre player we'll pay a kings ransom for forseeable future. Sickening.
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I agree. We shouldn't be prolonging the stay of players purely because we need numbers. That's all very Sunday league.
 
Dominos said:
Not a fan of this decision.

We have a serious lack of pace and athleticism in the team. We're suffering for stockpiling the slowest centre back options on earth.

Need a complete rebuild of our centre back options, ones who can actually run.
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I think hes perfectly fine as cover - moving on Lindelof is more of a priority.

We cant afford to change everyone at once and Evans will prob go in the summer too.

One more year for an ultimate professional who always gives his all (yes he is limited) makes sense.
 
Rojofiam said:
You are clutching at straws.

Dalot hasn't played RCB. There's nothing to suggest he would be better than Mazraoui there, who's just a decent makeshift option there himself regardless, and not a long-term starter.

Not sure what De Ligt has done to deserve starting CCB spot, whereas Maguire will just be the "7th squad option". It's really not that difficult to understand why we are much better with Maguire at CCB instead, as there's plenty of evidence of that just in these first ~10 games under Amorim.

Yoro hasn't played CCB and it would be a luxury to play him there considering our current options, as he is the sole natural wide defender in the whole squad. Maguire/De Ligt cannot play there. Martínez and Lindelöf cannot either. It's all about the physical deficiencies for those 4. Mazraoui can be a decent rotational option there, like I said, but he's not an out-and-out CB either.

Shaw could be a great LCB but he's seemingly never fit. Martínez is only good in possession. When he has to defend, be it set pieces or large spaces on opposition transitions, I'm putting it lightly when I say he's a liability.

The more realistic CB hierarchy right now would probably look more like this:

LCB: Shaw first choice, but he's never fit, so Martínez first choice
CCB: Maguire first choice, De Ligt second choice
RCB: Yoro first choice, Mazraoui second choice

Evans has done surprisingly well as a wide defender against Villa, and I reckon Lindelöf could replicate that sort of performance too, but they're ideally back-ups at both WCB and CCB. If Kukonki makes his debut this season, he'll be a wide CB as well. He's got the perfect build for it.
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Have an overpaid, old, slow mediocre CB that no one wants. Literally can't sell him so we're extending contract for 1 year for some reason. And geniuses here think he should start. At best he's a good sub when we are chasing games because of his ability to score from set pieces. We deserve to be mediocre because that's what fans are content with now.
 
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NewGlory said:
Assuming we triggered it without wage reduction, and are seriously intending to keep him rather than just continuing availability for sale, United management are a bunch of morons - everybody from Berrada to Wilcox to Amorim.

There is not a club in the world that would want Maguire at his current 190K/week wages. Actually, there is not a club in the world that would want him at a penny over 100K/week

So, why do we? He is OK at most and has has quite a few injuries too
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Way I see it, not retaining one of Maguire, Evans or Lindelof, of those 3, means we don't get one of a LWB/CM/10/STRIKER
 
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Remember the geese said:
I agree. We shouldn't be prolonging the stay of players purely because we need numbers. That's all very Sunday league.
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Sure but Maguire isnt a sunday league player. He might not even be anywhere close to the best defenders in the world but he is still a Premier League quality defender. Keeping him around for a another season (as a decent enough option from the bench) so we can focus on more important positions isnt that bad of an idea.
 
I really shouldn't have to come in an edit posts so you don't get yourselves warnings or thread banned. If you can't be civil with one another, don't exchange words. Stop calling the "other side" names, you're not 10-year olds.
 
When Amorim was announced, I fully expected Maguire to be the main central defender in the back three.

He has his flaws, but he is best suited for the role. De Ligt has been meh so far, most memorable for getting absolutely bullied by the young Porto striker and the bad VAR call v West Ham. Martinez has lost the plot. Yoro is still feeling his way in.

The triggered extension is the right move. I’d replace Martinez before Maguire just because he’s costing us 1-2 goals each time he plays at the moment.
 
Good decision to keep him. The last thing we need is to spend money on a replacement in the summer. It's a no brainer.
 
So, sir Jim DID have a plan. Those sackings, canceling parties and charity stuff finally make sense.
 
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