Thats exactly my point. We are now shelling out almost 10 million for a year of service from 32 year old Harry Maguire and just for that, because for 10 million we are not getting some future benefit like resale value or a better player after the time we spend on him.Except the cost of an equivalent replacement would be high, let alone the cost of an equivalent with pace, that everyone wants of course, which would be very high.
Right now there are bigger priorities for that transfer cash, maybe (hopefully) it will be different in twelve month's time.
Why would Maguire take a year extension on lower terms? Absolutely no incentive for him to do that.
We'd have to offer him a minimum of 2 more years, probably 3.
Only United can bring in 2 centre backs in a summer for big fees then 6months later fans be talking about needing 2 more centre backs.
Ah right, I'd forgotten how easy it is to find free agents that are in the Maguire class (whatever you think that is) but wouldn't bother demanding a significant signing-on fee and salary themselves.Thats exactly my point. We are now shelling out almost 10 million for a year of service from 32 year old Harry Maguire and just for that, because for 10 million we are not getting some future benefit like resale value or a better player after the time we spend on him.
We'll very like bring in another CB anyways, because of the importance of that position for Amorim, adding another one, a free agent or whatever shouldn't even be a problem when we really feel the numbers are low.
Thats exactly my point. We are now shelling out almost 10 million for a year of service from 32 year old Harry Maguire and just for that, because for 10 million we are not getting some future benefit like resale value or a better player after the time we spend on him.
We'll very like bring in another CB anyways, because of the importance of that position for Amorim, adding another one, a free agent or whatever shouldn't even be a problem when we really feel the numbers are low.
Hmm. Lets see. Maybe by not acting that only the very best is good enough to improve mighty ManUnited. A song I am singing since quite some time while some of you were dancing around the fire of "we only need a few shrewd additions".Yeah, and over the last few seasons, our back-ups have had to play all the time. We literally had to play Casemiro at CB last season - and thats when we only were using two CB's!
Also those two back-ups (Maz and Dalot) are our current Wing Backs... so our wing-backs will become our back-up centre-backs, and then what happens with our wing-backs? Are we buying two? In which case we've just bought two Wing Backs and one Centre Back... how are we going to afford another midfielder? And a number 10? and a striker?
Me too but we aren't getting rid of those players when we can. Look at my post history, I am anti-Shaw for quite some time. Yet we extended with him only to now sit here and extending the next plonker because we cannot rely on the plonkers we relied before. Thats literally madness.If the last few seasons have taught us anything it's that you NEED your backups. And during midday of that time, Shaw has been unavailable. I'd much rather get rid of him before Maguire.
He's first choice and our best CB at the moment.Out of curiosity, do our rivals pay 200 grand p/w for "backup player" services, and, if so, for whom?
I think De Ligt is ok. Not the quickest, not the best on the ball, but solid enough. Whether that is good enough to be a starter for Manchester United, I'm not so sure. I agree that we were much better once Mainoo came on against Newcastle.You can't really form an opinion on De Ligt after so little time though, I have specific criticism of him but he's still a good CB. Most of our back line to be honest often get a raw deal, minimal protection, so real ability with the WBs to stop crosses coming in, no assists from the WBs to alleviate the issues either. We literally saw the issues magically vanish once Zirkzee went off and Eriksen was pushed to 10 last game. If Onana isn't getting scapegoated, it's Martinez, if not it's Maguire, Varane had periods of being diabolically bad, Lindelof was declared useless, Smalling couldn't pass etc. etc.
United always have the same issue, we concede a couple of goals to headers and suddenly we need an 'aerially dominant CB', we struggle to score in a few games and we need a 'ball player' this has happened since Jose's days because it's a convenient cop of for a manager when something in their tactical setup is allowing teams to routinely get the ball in such dangerous areas or there are fundamental issues in their attack. Look at LVG's team on paper. For all his faults, was a positional maestro, we played combinations of Smalling, Evans, Blind, McNair and were very difficult to break down because we stopping just giving the ball to the opponent and letting them break on us. That team was so average individually, way worse than this one, but they would comfortably beat us right now.
Maguire wouldn't have to accept lower terms. If United said we wouldn't exercise the additional one year extension in his contract, then Maguire would be free to talk to any club he wanted.
However, would any club offer near the speculated £190k he currently earns? No. If we offered him a new one year deal on £120k, I'd be pretty confident Maguire would sign as no club can better it, saves having to move and it's another year at the biggest club in the world.
If he did reject our new offer, then so be it. The club needs to be more ruthless and not just allowing mistakes in the past continue to set us back.
He's first choice and our best CB at the moment.
It is the case indeed. He’s been our best defender for a good while.If this is the case, we are in deeper shite than i thought.
Maguire wouldn't have to accept lower terms. If United said we wouldn't exercise the additional one year extension in his contract, then Maguire would be free to talk to any club he wanted.
However, would any club offer near the speculated £190k he currently earns? No. If we offered him a new one year deal on £120k, I'd be pretty confident Maguire would sign as no club can better it, saves having to move and it's another year at the biggest club in the world.
If he did reject our new offer, then so be it. The club needs to be more ruthless and not just allowing mistakes in the past continue to set us back.
Maguire is a pair of legs. Fairly expensive ones and rather old ones. If you think, we can't bring in something similar, we agree to disagree. Just last year, weren't there this Tosin guy available? Even if only 80% as good as Maguire, that'd be still a better deal considering that we would get more time out of him.Ah right, I'd forgotten how easy it is to find free agents that are in the Maguire class (whatever you think that is) but wouldn't bother demanding a significant signing-on fee and salary themselves.
It is the case indeed. He’s been our best defender for a good while.
Er no, he isnt.He's first choice and our best CB at the moment.
We have signed Harry Kane? Fantastic news!This is why I find it so difficult to figure out why we are in this predicament. We’ve literally got the England captain ready to come in and play well when we need him. He doesn’t really get injured. He’s good in the air and decent on the ball. Another in who in his prime was a good 40/50 million quid player who doesn’t cause trouble at the club for not playing warming our bench. That’s strong backup for any club. We have Yoro one of the best prospects in the game. De Ligt could be world class. A World Cup winner in Martinez and so on.
Like what more do we need to do to have a solid spine?
The England captain probably wouldn't be playing second fiddle to Højlund.We’ve literally got the England captain ready to come in and play well when we need him.
Hmm. Lets see. Maybe by not acting that only the very best is good enough to improve mighty ManUnited. A song I am singing since quite some time while some of you were dancing around the fire of "we only need a few shrewd additions".
Look where it got us, the availability of backups in the last year. It brought us nowhere. Look where we are right now - with Maguire. Such players aren't the important cogs you are trying to make them out and I wouldn't be so up in arms against it, if we'd be talking about a player that is on 70k a week. Maguire gets almost 3 times of that. But the worst is that this decision indicates to me, that our decision makers seemingly aren't as ruthless as we like them to be. Extending extending extending. Maybe we got some advice from Woody on this one.
But sure, apparently a no-brainer... With all due respect, I am starting to get the impression that some fans really don't understand that for different outcomes, we have to start to do things differently.
Thats exactly my point. We are now shelling out almost 10 million for a year of service from 32 year old Harry Maguire and just for that, because for 10 million we are not getting some future benefit like resale value or a better player after the time we spend on him.
We'll very like bring in another CB anyways, because of the importance of that position for Amorim, adding another one, a free agent or whatever shouldn't even be a problem when we really feel the numbers are low.
Who’s better than him? Maybe de Ligt is close, but Yoro has barely played and Martinez is easily worse. Mazraoui has done well at CB but it’s only a couple of games too.Er no, he isnt.
This is why I find it so difficult to figure out why we are in this predicament. We’ve literally got the England captain ready to come in and play well when we need him. He doesn’t really get injured. He’s good in the air… A 40/50 million quid player who doesn’t cause trouble at the club for not playing warming our bench. That’s strong backup for any club. We have Yoro one of the best prospects in the game. De Ligt could be world class. A World Cup winner in Martinez and so on.
Like what more do we need to do to have a solid spine?
Other clubs would offer 2 or 3 year contracts though, plus a signing on fee. Which is probably what he'll get next season if goes for a free then, although both his wage and fee will probably be lower than what he would have got now due to him being a year older.Maguire wouldn't have to accept lower terms. If United said we wouldn't exercise the additional one year extension in his contract, then Maguire would be free to talk to any club he wanted.
However, would any club offer near the speculated £190k he currently earns? No. If we offered him a new one year deal on £120k, I'd be pretty confident Maguire would sign as no club can better it, saves having to move and it's another year at the biggest club in the world.
If he did reject our new offer, then so be it. The club needs to be more ruthless and not just allowing mistakes in the past continue to set us back.
I am also realistic in terms of tight budgets. It means prioritizing and 10 million for an old CB that honestly most fans don't even want to see in the team but accept because of the rest being even more disappointing doesn't seem too pragmatic to me.So you're saying we should just do away with the concept of back-ups? We might have got nowhere last season, but that's not becaues of the idea of back-ups? Its because our back-ups were Evans (who has been great to be fair) Lindelof and Casemiro.. if we move on from that to the point where our back ups are, Martinez, Maguire and Maz... then that's a pretty decent upgrade isn't it?
Ultimately I think most people here are just being realistic in a world of PSR and very tight budgets.
Thats the main issue right there. You are the one making the task unnecessarily difficult. Any addition would have the advantage over Maguire that he would be of use for more than just a year. And wages can't really be used as a counter argument since what Maguire is getting is more than a great whopping wage. If you think, for half of that we wouldn't be able to bring in somebody who is good enough to be a backup then I guess we have very different understandings of the football world. Whenever I see teams play against United, I see players who can do a job for United at least as good as the available ones here.Also this:
Is incredibly unrealistic... It is actually pretty difficult to sign footballers, even more so to find one for free that would be better then Maguire... and anyone that comes close would also probably demand a great whopping wage.
Who’s better than him? Maybe de Ligt is close, but Yoro has barely played and Martinez is easily worse. Mazraoui has done well at CB but it’s only a couple of games too.
Of course they don't. And they don't bang on about a redemption after him playing in the centre of a back 5 conceding multiple goals and losing matches. But it's the sign of the times.Out of curiosity, do our rivals pay 200 grand p/w for "backup player" services, and, if so, for whom?
Danny Ings earns 120k at West Ham. I'm pretty sure Maguire could still get that being an England international and 31 for a good 2/3 year contract at most Premier League clubsMaguire wouldn't have to accept lower terms. If United said we wouldn't exercise the additional one year extension in his contract, then Maguire would be free to talk to any club he wanted.
However, would any club offer near the speculated £190k he currently earns? No. If we offered him a new one year deal on £120k, I'd be pretty confident Maguire would sign as no club can better it, saves having to move and it's another year at the biggest club in the world.
If he did reject our new offer, then so be it. The club needs to be more ruthless and not just allowing mistakes in the past continue to set us back.
Of course they don't. And they don't bang on about a redemption after him playing in the centre of a back 5 conceding multiple goals and losing matches. But it's the sign of the times.
You are right. But given that Maguire never really popped up in talks about it, I'd be shocked to find out that he emerged as a missing piece suddenly. Also even if, the guy is 32... Make of that what you want.
Sure. Lets try him there for 200k per week while the others recent acquisition sit on the bench. Maybe they will become better players by watching fecking Harry Maguire.
Which makes it even more crazy to extend a big contract for him.
It isn't as if I am not able to see the rationale behind it. But I am questioning when the point in time comes where we actually act on "take on the pain", "make painful decisions" and "be ruthless". It was bad planning by the club to create a situation where we half the available CBs in one summer. But at some point we have to stop compounding bad decisions with other bad decisions. A year Maguire on 190k per weeks means 9,880,000 pounds. For a 32 year old CB who isn't and shouldn't even be first choice for us.
Hopefully this is just triggered with an eye to getting a fee for him in the summer.
But more likely next season, Utd will still line up a back 3 with him and Lindelof in there.
You have 6 players for 3 roles...Are you happy with 3 CB's for 3 spots?
Are you happy with 4 CB's for 3 spots if we get another Left footed CB?
We need 5 CB's to play a 3 CB system and im happy for Maguire to be a squad option.
You cant just pick out one performance and say Maguire is rubbish when he had whilst Martinez made so many mistakes himself. Maguire is obviously not world class but he is good enough a cover a CB spot in the PL if you can cover for his weaknesses.
He wont give us any transfer money and anyone expecting money for him is absolutely delusional as much as its idiotic to give him a new 4 year contract.
We give him a year extension or let him go on a free. Id rather give him a year extension.
Isn't Lindelofs contract running down as well? Give it a 3 days and we'll learn that extending him is always prudent or shrewd business.Hopefully this is just triggered with an eye to getting a fee for him in the summer.
But more likely next season, Utd will still line up a back 3 with him and Lindelof in there.
You have 6 players for 3 roles...
RCB - Mazz/Dalot
CB - De Ligt/Yoro
LCB - Martinez/Shaw
Having a 7th squad option at Maguire wages is just dumb. I'd get it if he was a net positive contributor, but being a body that plays defense isn't a good criteria. Heck ETH was picking Evans over him, that should tell you everything you need to know
You have included all of our current wing backs in that squad list so it is deceptive to say that we have 6 bodies in front of Maguire. You can also debate who is in fact better at this point in time but we absolutely should not be playing Dalot as a RCB over anyone else and Martinez has been significantly worse than Maguire for 18 months now.You have 6 players for 3 roles...
RCB - Mazz/Dalot
CB - De Ligt/Yoro
LCB - Martinez/Shaw
Having a 7th squad option at Maguire wages is just dumb. I'd get it if he was a net positive contributor, but being a body that plays defense isn't a good criteria. Heck ETH was picking Evans over him, that should tell you everything you need to know
