Maguire's Redemption | One-year option triggered

Red in STL said:
Way I see it, not retaining one of Maguire, Evans or Lindelof, of those 3, means we don't get one of a LWB/CM/10/STRIKER
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True, but I am not saying we shouldn't retain him. We should have negotiated lower-wage 1-2 year new contract. You know, reasonable wage, closer to the top of what he can get anywhere else. Not double of what anybody would offer him
 
We would do well to keep a player of Maguire's calibre. I would argue that we don't have enough honest hardworking premier league experienced players. It's just where we are and we need to build from basics now. Given the current mess we find ourselves in, we could really do with having players like Fred, McTominay, Elanga, Wan Bissaka, Henderson and Pereira in our squad. Every single one of them would be working hard. If Maguire were to go, we could get lucky and sign a Milenkovic style player from abroad but takes a while to bed in and starting on shaky Old Trafford ground is going to knock anyone's confidence. Enough of twisting and changing our hand. We need to stick, bunker down and get a few wins. Maguire is the least of our problems - if we don't inject a bit of energy into that midfield and a bit of pace on the flanks then we'll continue to lose games. We really need to identify a few loans for midfielders in January. Dewsbury Hall, Choudhury, Almiron, Buendia, Ward Prowse, Broadhead, March would all welcome a loan and would put on a shift. I know you may look at some of those names and think not united quality but we're a top 6 club at present. We need legs and good honest pros who will fight.
 
NewGlory said:
True, but I am not saying we shouldn't retain him. We should have negotiated lower-wage 1-2 year new contract. You know, reasonable wage, closer to the top of what he can get anywhere else. Not double of what anybody would offer him
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We have triggered the 1 year extension club option on his existing contract, he's not going to accept a 1-2 year contract on half his wage, he gains nothing from that, he may not get his current wage at another club but he would get a hefty sign-on bonus because there is no transfer fee, so a 90K weekly wage for 2-3 years + a 10 million signing bonus is worth more than what he would get from United
 
Red in STL said:
We have triggered the 1 year extension club option on his existing contract, he's not going to accept a 1-2 year contract on half his wage, he gains nothing from that, he may not get his current wage at another club but he would get a hefty sign-on bonus because there is no transfer fee, so a 90K weekly wage for 2-3 years + a 10 million signing bonus is worth more than what he would get from United
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Had this discussion with someone a few weeks back and they couldn’t understand why this was always the likely outcome.

People just see the weekly wage and can’t understand why PSR issues means it’s best to keep him for an extra year at the same wage.
 
NewGlory said:
Assuming we triggered it without wage reduction, and are seriously intending to keep him rather than just continuing availability for sale, United management are a bunch of morons - everybody from Berrada to Wilcox to Amorim.

There is not a club in the world that would want Maguire at his current 190K/week wages. Actually, there is not a club in the world that would want him at a penny over 100K/week

So, why do we? He is OK at most and has has quite a few injuries too
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It's because we need numbers in the squad and we're still paying for past mistakes in terms of the wages. If Lindelof and Evans' contracts both expire in the summer as we expect and Luke Shaw remains in his perennial state of injury, losing Maguire would leave us with Yoro, de Ligt, Martinez and Mazraoui as potential defensive options when we play 3 at the back.

Even on 190k a week, that's roughly equivalent to 10m a year to keep Maguire, so it would likely be more expensive and troublesome to replace him with a new player. Not really the sort of luxury we can afford with the rest of the squad requiring such a massive overhaul this summer.
 
I think extending the contact makes sense at this stage for lots of reasons. It's only 1 year after all, it hardly ties us down for years to come. He can still be a useful squad member at the bare minimum during this time.
 
gaffs said:
The manager said he wanted to extend him in todays presser. If he was surplus to requirements, or the manager felt we have enough cover, then he would have left
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He actually said Harry triggered his option to extend.

I’ll leave that with people.
 
CM said:
It's because we need numbers in the squad and we're still paying for past mistakes in terms of the wages. If Lindelof and Evans' contracts both expire in the summer as we expect and Luke Shaw remains in his perennial state of injury, losing Maguire would leave us with Yoro, de Ligt, Martinez and Mazraoui as potential defensive options when we play 3 at the back.

Even on 190k a week, that's roughly equivalent to 10m a year to keep Maguire, so it would likely be more expensive and troublesome to replace him with a new player. Not really the sort of luxury we can afford with the rest of the squad requiring such a massive overhaul this summer.
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Not specific about Maguire or even pointing your post out, but this seems to be the same line of thinking and justification trotted out every time someone’s contract is extended or a new one offered to a player the fans want to get rid of. It’s the exact same thinking which has let our club end up in this state with a squad full of underperforming and unsellable assets.
 
Dan_F said:
Had this discussion with someone a few weeks back and they couldn’t understand why this was always the likely outcome.

People just see the weekly wage and can’t understand why PSR issues means it’s best to keep him for an extra year at the same wage.
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Weekly wage amounts are overblown IMO, as are transfer fees and resale value

A player that earns 250K vs 90K - if he's not good enough on 250K he's not good enough on 90K, same with a 80 million player vs a 20 million one, and a club like United shouldn't be buying players based on they might have a resale value, we should be buying players solely on the basis that they benefit the team
 
Herschel Krustofsky said:
Yes. I heard the whole interview.

He corrected because he shouldn’t have mentioned it
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I would think there are very few instances, if any, of players having the ability to trigger a contract extension, I can't see many clubs agreeing to such a deal, there's nothing in it for them
 
Red in STL said:
I would think there are very few instances, if any, of players having the ability to trigger a contract extension, I can't see many clubs agreeing to such a deal, there's nothing in it for them
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I agree with you.

No sane club would

No football person would

So who wood?
 
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Not good enough. Old. A further waste of money when we can't afford it. Same mistakes as before. Massive 180 on opinion of him on here based on nothing imo. He's been directly at fault for numerous goals we've conceded (along with Martinez who is correctly getting criticised) over the last couple games. This is exactly the same as us triggering Martial's 1-year extension as far as I'm concerned. Just shows we've learned nothing and are continuing to sink further and further under INEOS and the Glazers.
 
NK86 said:
Not specific about Maguire or even pointing your post out, but this seems to be the same line of thinking and justification trotted out every time someone’s contract is extended or a new one offered to a player the fans want to get rid of. It’s the exact same thinking which has let our club end up in this state with a squad full of underperforming and unsellable assets.
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I would agree if it was anything more than a one year extension. Maguire will be 33 by the end of next season, he'll either leave on a free or renew on massively reduced terms by that point.
 
CM said:
I would agree if it was anything more than a one year extension. Maguire will be 33 by the end of next season, he'll either leave on a free or renew on massively reduced terms by that point.
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Even a year long extension should have been negotiated on reduced terms. Almost feels like our club has learnt nothing. Who would be queuing up to snap a 32 year old Maguire on 190k, even with a signing bonus as a free agent?
 
NK86 said:
Even a year long extension should have been negotiated on reduced terms. Almost feels like our club has learnt nothing. Who would be queuing up to snap a 32 year old Maguire on 190k, even with a signing bonus as a free agent?
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Nobody.

But what they would be willing to do is give him a longer contract on a reduced wage. Which is what we would also have had to do, as there was absolutely no reason for him to accept a single year extension from us on lower terms.

It was either trigger the one year extension, renew for more than one year, or let him go for free.
 
We've certainly got bigger fish to fry, so a one year extension isn't really a terrible idea. We don't have unlimited funds, so being able to push a CB signing back a year is a good thing
 
NK86 said:
Even a year long extension should have been negotiated on reduced terms. Almost feels like our club has learnt nothing. Who would be queuing up to snap a 32 year old Maguire on 190k, even with a signing bonus as a free agent?
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Why would Maguire extend his existing contract for something less than what had already been negoiated at the start of his contract - pre-agreed optional extensions in contracts are most beneficial to the clubs not the players

No one is going to pay him 190K a week on a 1 year contract, but there are numerous candidates that would pay him 100K for a 2 year one with a 5 million signing on fee - do the maths - that's worth more
 
Desperately resigning players we all know can't get United to the top. Resigning players who aren't up to snuff is the same failed strategy from before, like ETH resigning Bruno though he didn't work for ETH's style.

You can't play a high line with Maguire, so you can't win the middle and control play.
 
Ibi Dreams said:
We've certainly got bigger fish to fry, so a one year extension isn't really a terrible idea. We don't have unlimited funds, so being able to push a CB signing back a year is a good thing
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Excatcly this. Evans and Lindelof are of far less use (or ancient respectivly) than Maguire. If we replace those two, we'd have to buy a CB anyway (after buying 2 just last summer). There are at least 6-7 positions we need more urgently to replace than a back up CB.

Unfortunately we can't replace the whole squad at once.
 
NK86 said:
Even a year long extension should have been negotiated on reduced terms. Almost feels like our club has learnt nothing. Who would be queuing up to snap a 32 year old Maguire on 190k, even with a signing bonus as a free agent?
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Pretty much what @sullydnl and @Red in STL have said above.

Napoli were one of the teams reportedly sniffing around. As a free agent they (or anyone) could've offered Maguire a competitive package over multiple years and turned his head.

If we end up extending Maguire's contract again then you may be right, but I'd like to think by the time his next contract is up we'll be moving on from him.
 
sullydnl said:
Nobody.

But what they would be willing to do is give him a longer contract on a reduced wage. Which is what we would also have had to do, as there was absolutely no reason for him to accept a single year extension from us on lower terms.

It was either trigger the one year extension, renew for more than one year, or let him go for free.
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I agree, but then maybe we offer him a new 2 year deal with reduced wages. Anyway it’s all moot now but I genuinely feel we have been doing the same things for the last decade with pretty much the same results. Maybe it’s time to try a different tact to see if that moves the needle in our favour. Currently if we are targeting another starting CB buy, then we have a backup option on 190k on the bench.
 
A logical decision. Hopefully by the time his extension is completed, Yoro will have fully bedded in as our main man at the back, if not then we will have bigger problems than extending a solid squad player's contract by one season.
 
Red in STL said:
It was mutual when they agreed the contract in the first place, it is a club option, the player dorsn't get a say if it is truggered
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I was responding to the poster who said that Amorim had said that "Harry triggered his option to extend".

Im not sure how it works.

Can the player extend that year even if the club dont want to?
 
gaffs said:
I was responding to the poster who said that Amorim had said that "Harry triggered his option to extend".

Im not sure how it works.

Can the player extend that year even if the club dont want to?
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Amorim corrected himself later, and no the player cannot, it's a club option
 
NewGlory said:
True, but I am not saying we shouldn't retain him. We should have negotiated lower-wage 1-2 year new contract. You know, reasonable wage, closer to the top of what he can get anywhere else. Not double of what anybody would offer him
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That would have meant a) probably a longer contract, b) a signing bonus and c) presumably, an agent's fee. Doubt there'd be much upside compared to just extending.
 
It’s an intelligent choice. Maguire is a good player, but also it keeps his value in the summer. If we get a £20-30m offer we can consider it, if not next season we have a CB who has been one of our best performers over the past season and a half.
 
we’ve got yoro to bed in. de lift and martinez are a fair bit younger than him. he’s playing more than well enough to keep for another couple of seasons if he can maintain this level. how much would we have to spend to guarantee we got someone better than him? he’s not kicking off when he’s not starting, and although doesn’t come across as a leader in the dressing room, he does inspire confidence at the back when wrestling strikers and dealing with crosses.

he’s been great the last few months and deserves a hell of a lot of credit. he’s had to pick himself up from rock bottom, with not a load of support, and he’s probably playing the best football of his united career. fair play to him.
 
JediSith said:
It’s an intelligent choice. Maguire is a good player, but also it keeps his value in the summer. If we get a £20-30m offer we can consider it, if not next season we have a CB who has been one of our best performers over the past season and a half.
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Maguire is not leaving unless Saudi come in with a stupid offer that would enable United to replace him, and that would involve a fee way more than 2-30 million

No other club is going to pay a fee for him and pay him 190K a week, why would Maguire accept less than what he is now guaranteed?

Maguire will be a United player next season and no amount of wishful thinking is going to change that
 
Red in STL said:
Maguire is not leaving unless Saudi come in with a stupid offer that would enable United to replace him, and that would involve a fee way more than 2-30 million

No other club is going to pay a fee for him and pay him 190K a week, why would Maguire accept less than what he is now guaranteed?

Maguire will be a United player next season and no amount of wishful thinking is going to change that
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It’s wasn’t wishful thinking. As I stated, we’ll have a player who has been one of our best performers for the past 1 and a half seasons. So that’s a win.

But if he we get an offer we can consider. I think it’s naive to rule out a club offering 20-30m for him. Doesn’t have to be only a Saudi club, could also be an Italian club who offer £20m for him as experienced CB’s are very highly rated and sought after in Serie A. If we get that offer and can replace with a younger alternative then that’s also a win.

So whatever happens. It’s a win win, as opposed to not extending his contract and losing him on free.
 
People talking about getting rid in the summer, there's about 10 players I'd move on before Maguire.

If a crazy offer came in then might be worth considering but if West Ham come in with a low ball £15m.... no thanks.
 
If you're going to play 3 at the back then Maguire is a perfectly good squad player for you. Especially as being in a back three is a help for Maguire and doesn't expose his weaknesses as much.

Are you going to win big trophies with Maguire starting 30+ games for you? Nope, but he's a useful body to have for another year.
 
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