Maguire's Redemption | One-year option triggered

Roboc7 said:
We do have leverage because the alternative is he goes and plays for West Ham or Everton who probably pay him a lot less than 200k a week anyway.

He’s 32 in March so if he agreed to a 2 year extension on closer to 100k a week it’s a better reflection of his market value at this stage in his career.

Players have to have a desire to stay, if he wants to play hardball and will only stay on his current salary then let him go. His form may have picked up but it could just as easily nosedive again as well, can’t be held to ransom by players.
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I’m fairly confident he could pick up close to 200k if you incorporate a signing on bonus over the length of the contract. His leverage is that from a PSR point of view, he knows we can afford to continue paying his 200k for next season, we probably can’t afford to pay a big transfer fee plus wages for a replacement.

Anyway, the original point I was making was that I wouldn’t mind him as a back up for another year, but if we’re still using him as a 33 year old in year three under Amorim, I’d be disappointed. I don’t really give much of a shit about £100k a week. We’ve saved so much in wages over the last few years.
 
Financially, a truly awful signing. A car crash that anyone actually thought he was worth as much as we paid. For the fee paid, he has been a disappointment. That said, he’s dealt with adversity in various forms and proven a decent squad player throughout his time with us.
 
If we can renegotiate his salary to be better fitting with his role/profile at the club, i wouldn't be against him staying. He's a leader and a more than decent defender!
 


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Massimo Taibi said:
Financially, a truly awful signing. A car crash that anyone actually thought he was worth as much as we paid. For the fee paid, he has been a disappointment. That said, he’s dealt with adversity in various forms and proven a decent squad player throughout his time with us.
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How so? He's been here for 4/5 seasons now, we have definitely got our money worth put of him.
He's been a reliable stalwart throughout the worst period in the clubs history, someone who can always be relied upon.
 
He's recovered pretty well from his dog shit levels of performance where he was comfortably our worst and most error prone defender.

The thing is with Maguire is that he's decent if you set your team up to cover for his weakness'. It's why he always did pretty well for England as Southgate was a defensively minded coach. As soon as you attempt to play more offensive football he becomes a burden. If we do want to get any kind of decent transfer fee this is our last opportunity realistically. But let's not forget how terrible he was for a good 18 months, he was abysmal.
 
RedSky said:
He's recovered pretty well from his dog shit levels of performance where he was comfortably our worst and most error prone defender.

The thing is with Maguire is that he's decent if you set your team up to cover for his weakness'. It's why he always did pretty well for England as Southgate was a defensively minded coach. As soon as you attempt to play more offensive football he becomes a burden. If we do want to get any kind of decent transfer fee this is our last opportunity realistically. But let's not forget how terrible he was for a good 18 months, he was abysmal.
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Maguire is good at set pieces, which covers Martinez's weakness.
 
Rojofiam said:
So the new narrative now is that he's just good enough to be a squad player whilst in reality, he's been comfortably our best CB ever since we signed him.
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That's quite debatable.

First season it was borderline between Maguire and Lindelof, and even if you give Maguire the edge it certainly wasn't by much. His peaks were much higher but he also had significantly more bad matches.
Second season he was absolutely our best, and indeed I'd say it was the second best season any of our defenders have had since Rio/Vida.
Third season he was easily our worst, and in fact I'm confident in saying that it was the worst full season any of our defenders have had in PL history.
Fourth season he was still our worst, albeit not as bad as he'd been the season before and he didn't play that often (due to everyone else performing better).
Fifth season he was arguably our best, alongside Evans.
Sixth season so far I don't think any of our defenders have stood out as being better than the others. They've all had some games where they've looked our best (other than Lindelof who's been very poor for 18 months) and other games where they haven't been great.

So there was only one season where he was clearly and undisputedly our best. Two where it was arguable. Two where he was our worst. And one currently ongoing and too early to call.
 
Champ said:
How so? He's been here for 4/5 seasons now, we have definitely got our money worth put of him.
He's been a reliable stalwart throughout the worst period in the clubs history, someone who can always be relied upon.
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He was never, ever an £80m or £200,000 a week player. Yes, he’s done reasonably throughout his time but for the outlay, you’d expect much more than we’ve got.
 
I think what we've got now is a player who has worked on getting very good at what he knows he is good at, and learned to play around his limitations. It deserves credit. Asked to play to his strengths he can be a good player for us and in a 3 he has enough support to cover the weaknesses.
 
Robertd0803 said:
No he couldnt. Remember the Palace away game last season? No thanks.

Given his form/mentality Id have no problem extending Maguire for the extra year to buy us more time.
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Some of you apply the same logic to todays team as they would have done almost 20 years ago. No doubt, would we be competing for shit then I'd say yeah that makes sense because we really have to make sure to have a strong bench. But we aren't competing at all. We have to focus on creating a good first eleven plus 3-4 useful impact subs. Everything above is 2nd or even 3rd priority. If I can choose, I get rid of both, Casemiro and Maguire. Give the minutes our 4th- or 5th choice CB would get to a younger player we might be building up for the future for ourselves or to sell at a profit. Extending Maguire isn't the worst idea in the world but, to me, it is lazy and kind what we always do and what keeps the deadwood counter of the squad in the orange zone forever.

edit: and fyi - we are playing differently these days than in last seasons Palace game. And iirc he filled in at least 3 or 4 times at CB and was alright, certainly not worse than Lindelof.
 
11101 said:
I think what we've got now is a player who has worked on getting very good at what he knows he is good at, and learned to play around his limitations. It deserves credit. Asked to play to his strengths he can be a good player for us and in a 3 he has enough support to cover the weaknesses.
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Thank god we really have a great total of how many games for us in this formation...

I really don't get it. He has to play because others aren't available, comes in does his job and suddenly people are happy stick to him for longer. Granted, he deserves respect for being a good professional but come one, it speaks more about the state of our team that somebody who does his job, where he gets paid more than handsomely, and is professional about it, is talked about like David Goggins. With such standards applied, we'd probably have statues for O'shea and Park in front of the stadium already.
 
NZT-One said:
Thank god we really have a great total of how many games for us in this formation...

I really don't get it. He has to play because others aren't available, comes in does his job and suddenly people are happy stick to him for longer. Granted, he deserves respect for being a good professional but come one, it speaks more about the state of our team that somebody who does his job, where he gets paid more than handsomely, and is professional about it, is talked about like David Goggins. With such standards applied, we'd probably have statues for O'shea and Park in front of the stadium already.
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He's been decent for a year now. He's found what he's good at and stopped trying to play like Baresi. If he's happy to be a rotation player that's fine by me.
 
It's a bit sad to hold a transfer fee against him that was paid 4 managers ago. Particularly given some of the other disasters we've wasted huge money on and then struggled to ship out over the same period. We have had players who must have cost us over £1m per appearance and have given back far less than Maguire for it.

I also don't get the obsession over wages. If he's paid too much take it up with Woodward rather than blame the player. If my employer offered me 200k a week one thought that definitely wouldn't come into my head is "better turn that down because they'll be overpaying me and its not fair on them"
 
Always backed him. Good to see he's getting the recognition again.

£ spent per good performance he's easily one of our better signings post SAF.
 
11101 said:
He's been decent for a year now. He's found what he's good at and stopped trying to play like Baresi. If he's happy to be a rotation player that's fine by me.
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Of course he's happy. He's earning a fecking fortune! If he is fine with getting what we plan to pay our 4th or 5th choice CB and he isn't taking minutes away from somebody that will benefit the club for longer than maybe one or two years, then sure, extend this contract. If one of those conditions isn't met, let him go.

Think some of you are blinded by the moment after a few decent to good performances. Awarding stuff like that is almost for sure going to be fuel for the fire of deadwood whining in maybe not even a year from now. I'd rather bring back Mengi, give him Maguires minutes and flip him next year (if that makes financial sense of course, not too deep into that).
 
Maguire is everything Rashford should be. I have never seen a United player get the pile on Maguire got two seasons ago, the way our own fans treated him was disgraceful. Maguire never let it get to him, he took the criticism on board and knuckled down and worked harder. He never complained, never went to the press, didn't take to social media, he just worked harder. Everyone wanted him out summer of 23 and he didn't relent, he was sure he could earn his way back. Since then, while he has been hampered with injuries, but he has become a better player, more reliable and worked himself back into being an important player in the squad and saved us on numerous occasions. And now there are even talks about extending his contract, where a couple seasons ago waiting it out seemed like one of the biggest obstacles the club faced.

I have to admit, in that summer of 23 I wanted him gone, I wanted him gone before that, but just because he seemed to represent defending of the past when I was hoping to see a more modern style. But since then he has worked his way into being one of my favorite players, again, no circus, no real social media presence, no media running defence, no fanbase propping him up, just worked hard until it got him where he needed to be.

He should be an inspiration to young players and probably for that reason alone I would give him an extension.
 
Utterly De Ligt'd said:
Maguire is everything Rashford should be. I have never seen a United player get the pile on Maguire got two seasons ago, the way our own fans treated him was disgraceful. Maguire never let it get to him, he took the criticism on board and knuckled down and worked harder. He never complained, never went to the press, didn't take to social media, he just worked harder. Everyone wanted him out summer of 23 and he didn't relent, he was sure he could earn his way back. Since then, while he has been hampered with injuries, but he has become a better player, more reliable and worked himself back into being an important player in the squad and saved us on numerous occasions. And now there are even talks about extending his contract, where a couple seasons ago waiting it out seemed like one of the biggest obstacles the club faced.

I have to admit, in that summer of 23 I wanted him gone, I wanted him gone before that, but just because he seemed to represent defending of the past when I was hoping to see a more modern style. But since then he has worked his way into being one of my favorite players, again, no circus, no real social media presence, no media running defence, no fanbase propping him up, just worked hard until it got him where he needed to be.

He should be an inspiration to young players and probably for that reason alone I would give him an extension.
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there was a time during his worst form when a number of questionable PR articles came out, fortunately he stopped at the right time and focused on his football. Was a good decision to strip him of captaincy, took him out of the limelight.
 
RedSky said:
The thing is with Maguire is that he's decent if you set your team up to cover for his weakness'
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Well, yes. But that goes for pretty much every player in history.

If you set up in a way that blatantly exposes the weaknesses of a player...you probably shouldn't pick that player in your XI.

Horses for courses - and so forth. It ain't that complicated.

Anyway, we can all (I would hope) agree that Maguire actually is a decent player in the right setup.

And - I would add - "decent" in his case means decent at the top level. He isn't "decent" in the sense that he isn't terrible - he's "decent" in the sense that he's actually pretty good at the very highest level if used right.

Again (for the umpteenth time) - he was never a player who should've gone for a record transfer fee based on his quality, we know this. But that (what we paid for him) is on Woodward, not Maguire.
 
RedC said:
A tad hyperbolic.
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Nah. We made him the most expensive defender of all time and then immediately made him captain. He was a poor captain and has had some absolutely atrocious spells of form. Signing him for that money was absolutely ludicrous.

He's a decent player, that's about it. Had we signed him for a normal fee and used him as a squaddie - like he is now - the signing would have been fine. Funny you find it 'hyperbolic' when we all constantly take the piss out of other clubs for their terrible signings.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Nah. We made him the most expensive defender of all time and then immediately made him captain. He was a poor captain and has had some absolutely atrocious spells of form. Signing him for that money was absolutely ludicrous.

He's a decent player, that's about it. Had we signed him for a normal fee and used him as a squaddie - like he is now - the signing would have been fine. Funny you find it 'hyperbolic' when we all constantly take the piss out of other clubs for their terrible signings.
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Yeah good point! I'd really like to know what exactly happened in the last 10 days or so. I mean, look at some of the poems he gets - "improved as a player", "knuckled down, became a better player" - I mean, what?! No, there were spells where he was really really bad. Systems didn't help him, all good and well but his concentration stuff isn't just down on system. He was bad. And now for quite a while, he's been decent to ggod. Thats about it. Maybe it's slow news days or something along those lines. Maybe it just feels good to simply add elements to a story to make it more wholesome.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Nah. We made him the most expensive defender of all time and then immediately made him captain. He was a poor captain and has had some absolutely atrocious spells of form. Signing him for that money was absolutely ludicrous.

He's a decent player, that's about it. Had we signed him for a normal fee and used him as a squaddie - like he is now - the signing would have been fine. Funny you find it 'hyperbolic' when we all constantly take the piss out of other clubs for their terrible signings.
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Saying he was an atrocious signing when he's played for us for years with varying levels of success is ridiculous.
 
RedC said:
Saying he was an atrocious signing when he's played for us for years with varying levels of success is ridiculous.
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Yes, he was an atrocious signing. We could have signed someone for far less money, who would have likely had the same 'varying levels of success'. I would have expected far more from the most expensive defender of all time. He's a personification of our appalling transfer policy for over a decade now.
 
RedC said:
Saying he was an atrocious signing when he's played for us for years with varying levels of success is ridiculous.
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Simply playing for us for a large period of time is hardly an indicator of a good signing.

£80m up front and £200k a week for 5 years for Maguire is atrocious no matter which way you look at it.
 
Surely people don't genuinely believe we'll be able to get a better back up to the starting 3 centre backs than Maguire?

The fee was silly we know, but he's here and is clearly better than Lindelof and Evans.
 
RedC said:
Saying he was an atrocious signing when he's played for us for years with varying levels of success is ridiculous.
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He’s been a poor player in arguably the worst Man Utd team in most of our lifetimes.

How has it not been an atrocious signing?

P.s I think very highly of Maguire the person, I’m talking purely on outlay we made vs football ability
 
Robbie Boy said:
Yes, he was an atrocious signing. We could have signed someone for far less money, who would have likely had the same 'varying levels of success'. I would have expected far more from the most expensive defender of all time. He's a personification of our appalling transfer policy for over a decade now.
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There's quite the difference between expecting far more and being atrocious, atrocious signings are Pepe and probably Antony, Maguire has not been that level of bad.
 
RedC said:
There's quite the difference between expecting far more and being atrocious, atrocious signings are Pepe and probably Antony, Maguire has not been that level of bad.
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Yes, yes he has. For the money he cost, he's been atrocious.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Yes, yes he has. For the money he cost, he's been atrocious.
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So on that basis if he was earning 90K a week and cost 20 million he'd be an absolutely fantastic signing despite having the same abilities
 
I love his attitude and professionalism. He's taken more abuse than any United player I can recall (yes, even more than MR) but has put his head down, rolled his sleeves up and worked his way into Amorim's thinking at least.

Whether Amorim wants to keep him or not is up to him and we'll have to respect whatever decision he makes, but as a central defender in a back 3, he can definitely do a good job in the squad for another few seasons. I think not having the captaincy has helped him too.
 
Red in STL said:
So on that basis if he was earning 90K a week and cost 20 million he'd be an absolutely fantastic signing despite having the same abilities
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He would have been a decent squaddie for a normal sum. That's how football transfers work mate.
 
We need to let him go, Maguire has been our biggest failure as a club everything about it.

The way United handled it, amateur stuff. Paid 4 times his price and then made him captain. In context, we paid similar amount for Pogba who was class at Juve.

I have nothing against the guy, he came in and tried his best. Did our scouts not notice he was slow and suits a team that wants to sit behind the ball? But all this time we were told it was Maguires partners who were at fault including Varane.
 
He exemplifies the type of player we need if the club is to undergo a cultural reset. Despite facing immense criticism from various sources, losing the captaincy, and enduring constant scrutiny, he has remained silent, composed, and unwavering in his effort. He is a proper professional regardless of what some think about his ability.
 
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