Yeah same here. Don't know about youth as well, but I'd honest rather bring back Willy or Mengi... At least, there is a chance there that one of them might end up useful. The CB recruitment is definitely an issue, we invest and invest but don't seem to get it right. And yes, we might not have reached the end of that period but none of it, for me at least, would be a reason to extent the Maguire chapter with us. Heck, we won't get rid of Shaw, he can fill in there, Mazraoui and Dalot maybe as well. I really feel that we should focus on the first team right now.
Maguire's Redemption | One-year option triggered
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Maguire was really good in his first season, fell off a cliff, contributed heavily to Ole losing his job, lost the captaincy, faced relentless bullying from fans for months on end, never complained publicy, decided to fight for his spot in the squad despite some pundits named Mark Goldbridge citing ones desire to fight for what you believe in as "pathetic", worked his way back from a near impossible situation, has completely redeemed himself.
Whatever the future holds for Maguire, he is an example of a player that is everything that is right about the type of attitude and fortitude Manchester United players should carry.
The wages the club offered him arent his fault, and they are certainly in line with the squad status he was bought in as at the time.
Whatever the future holds for Maguire, he is an example of a player that is everything that is right about the type of attitude and fortitude Manchester United players should carry.
The wages the club offered him arent his fault, and they are certainly in line with the squad status he was bought in as at the time.
I can assure you that they aren't.
Like @NZT-One sid before, i dont think any takes your opinion or assurances serious (nor should they) when Maguire is involved. It has reached a point where i wouldnt even be suprised if Maguire is actually paying you to defend him on this forum....
Maguire should play somewhere midtable Premier League. He should have been one of those players who played for midtable Premier League clubs his whole career and be in the group of players who you will remember because they played in the league for such a long time but were never looked at by big clubs. The Mark Noble, Clint Dempsey or Andy Johnson group of players.
A good career club player. Not a Manchester United captain or record breaking transfer.
He wasn't really good, just wasn't as bad. He was average to decent in his first season.
Sorry but this is light years away from the truth
Maybe one day something will happen in Maguire's career that will be enough for people to start being honest about how good of a player he is.
Until then, you can dismiss my opinion as worthless, but in reality, not rating Maguire highly is exactly something that gives away someone's lack of football knowledge. A great litmus test. I hope you know everyone actually heavily involved in football rates him highly. The same goes for the likes of Rashford, Pogba, or Bruno from United.
Btw anyone suggesting that Maguire is even close to the level of de Ligt was shut down and laughed at before this season started. Be that from United fans, Bayern fans, or any football fan that follows the sport closely. And since then, lo and behold, de Ligt hasn't had a single game at United in 6 months that's anywhere near Maguire's base level. This alone says a lot about the average fan's perception of football. Do you know how many things are true that the average fan would laugh off and not even entertain thinking about?
The notion of Maguire being average, or shit, or a "mid-table player" are just casual narratives from people that don't know what they're talking about.
Sometimes our fans remind me of Real Madrid fans. Slagging of world class players that they think are shit.
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Maguire makes me nervous even when playing well. He only plays well when he has a good CB next to him.
Funnily enough, for me, him and Yoro are the two most calming presences we have from our current crop of CBs. I tend to get nervous when de Ligt or Martínez have to be the ones to save us, though.
Who are these "good CBs" that Maguire needs alongside him? He's been comfortably our best CB ever since he signed for us.
Varane, and Licha (pre-injury) for example, with Lindelof and current Licha I get nervous. With De Ligt against City it was a good combo.
He does "have a moment" in him, be it simply being beaten because he can't turn and run, giving away a daft foul, or whatever. However his long passing is a good asset, he's solid defensively (and doesn't overcomplicate things) and he's one of the few canny players we have that knows when to try and take the sting out of things, slow the pace down and regroup. So many of our players play like they are scared the ball will explode if they touch it too many times, but Maguire never seems fearful in his role.
Do we have a year option? Because it worries me that we're going to lose 2 CBs after just spending big on 2 new ones, and have a massive job to sort out the rest of the squad alongside that.
Looks like we are trying to negotiate a lower wage for him to stay.
Pre-injury Martínez still couldn't win aerial duels, cover big spaces quickly, organize his defense around him, or pin down attackers. Maguire does all these things with ease except the big spaces part. He also steps into midfield to aggressively intercept incoming passes to the opposition attackers. In possession, he's better than Maguire though, I'll obviously not try to deny that.
Varane has always struggled in a high line, and in the build-up. Couldn't pass progressively, couldn't carry the ball, and was a liability under pressure. His best performances and moments at United came when he had to defend his own box because we were getting dominated and had to defend deep. He's probably a better box defender than Maguire, but that might be the only part of his game that he edges over the latter. Even his recovery pace was going towards the end of his time here...but he did well to babysit Martínez and help him, and they played more together. In possession, Maguire's always been way better than him.
Regarding Varane and Martínez, it's also important to consider that they formed one of the deepest lines in the league in both of the seasons they spent together at the club. In the two seasons under Ole that we had Maguire and Lindelöf as the two starting CBs, we played a higher line, played more proactive football, but still conceded less goals, despite taking more risks, like I said. And that was without Onana, Dalot, and Martínez, three players that are definitely way more suited for the build-up than De Gea, Wan-Bissaka, and Lindelöf. Ole only really had Shaw and Maguire who could excel in a high line, and in the build-up. Ten Hag had better tools at his disposal, but he just benched Maguire and decided to play a deep line all the time.
With Lindelöf, I don't even think I need to say anything. Good passer but it's quite a feat for Ole that he achieved back-to-back top 4 finishes with Lindelöf as one of his starting CBs.
De Ligt's been bang average for United IMO and he's awful in the build-up. No progressive passing, no ball carrying, and doesn't provide any calmness in the build-up like Maguire does, either. He can't wait to get rid of the ball and it's always just a sideways pass or back-pass to Onana.
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Defensively De Ligt is a much better defender, passing wise Maguire is easily better and so is Martinez. Long term this whole defence will not be starters.
Defensively, how is de Ligt better?
With the abuse Maguire received coupled with the horrible team results, I can’t imagine he will want to stay for another year.
If United offer him a new contract in anyway then I've had enough
Better reader of the game, better position, and reactions.
Maguire is only good in the buildup if he's not being pressed. Once he is he's poor on the ball.
Massively overrated so it would be great to get a decent fee for him while his stock is high. Anything over 60 would be ideal.
We either re-sign him or he leaves on a free, we are not getting money for him.
You are right, we should offer a new contract to Lindelof instead and get @golden_blunder to write the press release.
He's 32 in a few weeks. Six season of him at the club is more than enough, thank him for his time and let both player and club part ways.
Maguire is rubbish. Play him in the upcoming match against Liverpool and Liverpool will definitely score.
Not sure it’s going to matter who plays buddy, they are most likely going to score.
Exactly one of the reason why Manchester United will remain languishing in failure. Some of the United fans and English media are desperate for Maguire's redemption but it will never happen. He is absolutely garbage.
Manchester united are now relegation candidates yet a new contract is on the cusp? Has to be a joke.
Manchester united need a massive clear out. It is possible that 90% of this current squad are not up to basic standards of top level football but the policy of keeping or rewarding rubbish to maintain value or for sentimental reasons is why United might be playing leeds in the championship soon.
Too big to fail? Juventus were in Serie B at one point. Keep making grandiose idiotic decisions at coaching level and reality will dawn upon this club soon.
Manchester united are now relegation candidates yet a new contract is on the cusp? Has to be a joke.
Manchester united need a massive clear out. It is possible that 90% of this current squad are not up to basic standards of top level football but the policy of keeping or rewarding rubbish to maintain value or for sentimental reasons is why United might be playing leeds in the championship soon.
Too big to fail? Juventus were in Serie B at one point. Keep making grandiose idiotic decisions at coaching level and reality will dawn upon this club soon.
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Maguire being one of our squad players makes me believe that our CB's is growing in quality and im quite happy about this because he isnt on extraordinary high wages (most defenders are not).
Its time to move on from the Lindelof type of squad players and build a scary squad like city where they once had Ake, Gvardiol, Dias, Akanji & Stones.
I think Maguire is good enough to be a squad player until he cant handle with the pace and pressure of a top PL team so im glad to give him 1 year extensions until he reached that level than any long term contract.
I also think De Ligt looks a bit scared playing at the central CB compared to his performances on the right.
Good quality squad player that has the ability to fight for a position in the first team.
Its time to move on from the Lindelof type of squad players and build a scary squad like city where they once had Ake, Gvardiol, Dias, Akanji & Stones.
I think Maguire is good enough to be a squad player until he cant handle with the pace and pressure of a top PL team so im glad to give him 1 year extensions until he reached that level than any long term contract.
I also think De Ligt looks a bit scared playing at the central CB compared to his performances on the right.
Good quality squad player that has the ability to fight for a position in the first team.
Yeah slight problem, Maguire stopped being able to handle EPL pace right about the time he joined us. Please just sell the slow and bad players.
Clearly we saw instances last game where Martinez is shouting for Maguire to cover the man behind him and he just ignored Martinez. De Ligt in the center is a very solid pairing with Yoro/Martinez on left and Mazz/Dalot on right.
This/your post should be periodically reintroduced to this thread.
Are you happy with 3 CB's for 3 spots?
Are you happy with 4 CB's for 3 spots if we get another Left footed CB?
We need 5 CB's to play a 3 CB system and im happy for Maguire to be a squad option.
You cant just pick out one performance and say Maguire is rubbish when he had whilst Martinez made so many mistakes himself. Maguire is obviously not world class but he is good enough a cover a CB spot in the PL if you can cover for his weaknesses.
He wont give us any transfer money and anyone expecting money for him is absolutely delusional as much as its idiotic to give him a new 4 year contract.
We give him a year extension or let him go on a free. Id rather give him a year extension.
The term overrated really is meaningless when I see Maguire, of all people, being labeled with that word.
Which defenders guarantee the opposite?
Which defenders guarantee the opposite?
Nailed it. For my part, I've gradually come around to the view that it might actually make sense to extend his contract.
Nothing short of an act of God will stop Liverpool from scoring.
Out best CB at the moment. Lindelof and Evans will be leaving in the summer, hopefully we can move Martinez on too. So we'll need him to stay.
May as well extend his contract for a season.
We can't afford to replace the whole team and frankly there are several more pressing issues than Maguire to worry about
We can't afford to replace the whole team and frankly there are several more pressing issues than Maguire to worry about
It was the other way around wasn't it? Maguire was telling Martinez that Isak was behind him. Martinez ignored and Isak ended up being through on goal
It was his second season (or to be more exact the second half of his second season) where he was extremely good. Those four or so months were the only time in his career where Rojofiam's take that he's one of the best around were somewhat true. The rest of the time he's either been inconsistent with some good and some bad, or downright terrible for a couple of seasons.
De Ligt's average performance this season is about the same level as Maguire's average. Maguire has had periods in the past where he's hit much higher levels, but also periods where he's hit much lower levels.
If we can negotiate lower wages. He is a squad player I'm happy to keep